Jose Bautista...

franchise3 · May 16, 2011

My dude Osh, won

franchise3 · May 16, 2011

My dude Osh, won

gunna get it · May 16, 2011

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

My logic is simply impenetrable on this one, it would be silly to assume that it is steroids.
Just because you are uninformed about what makes a duck a duck doesn't make it a duck....uh..yeah.

Looks the same size to me.

I don't buy the steroids, not enough evidence.

EDIT:

Actually no evidence really.

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thats where your theory is flawed.

Juicing doesnt necessarily make an athlete bigger , it helps you at whatever you train for. Track & Field sprinters use PEDs and they dont do it to get bigger, they do it to get faster.

if a hitter with Warning trrack power juiced, it turns those Fly balls into Homer runs and wall shots.

btw, you're looking in the wrong spot, an athletes base is his legs, and if he would want to make himself stronger and increase speed and endurance the biggest change would be his mid area and lower half

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I understand this, I was just using other peoples logic against them, posting before anf after pictures seems to be an unreliable measure of PED use and it seems you agree with me.

My point is PED's can't make garbage great...

on both points, yes.

gunna get it · May 16, 2011

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

My logic is simply impenetrable on this one, it would be silly to assume that it is steroids.
Just because you are uninformed about what makes a duck a duck doesn't make it a duck....uh..yeah.

Looks the same size to me.

I don't buy the steroids, not enough evidence.

EDIT:

Actually no evidence really.

Click to expand...

thats where your theory is flawed.

Juicing doesnt necessarily make an athlete bigger , it helps you at whatever you train for. Track & Field sprinters use PEDs and they dont do it to get bigger, they do it to get faster.

if a hitter with Warning trrack power juiced, it turns those Fly balls into Homer runs and wall shots.

btw, you're looking in the wrong spot, an athletes base is his legs, and if he would want to make himself stronger and increase speed and endurance the biggest change would be his mid area and lower half

Click to expand...

I understand this, I was just using other peoples logic against them, posting before anf after pictures seems to be an unreliable measure of PED use and it seems you agree with me.

My point is PED's can't make garbage great...

on both points, yes.

airmaxpenny1 · May 16, 2011

Originally Posted by franchise3

My dude Osh, won

Osh is a smart dude so he sounds always convincing. Doesn't mean he's right. He can quote a study from whoever and whatever he likes claiming that steroids don't help guys and you and I know that simply isn't true. Why were 95% of the guys taking it if there was no advantage? The guy is quoting some scientist who claims upper body strength has no benefit in hitting a baseball...Does anyone in their right mind believe that?

Sure hitting comes from your core mostly, but it doesn't hurt to have loads of upper body strength than can turn warning track shots to 450 feet bombs. But as I've said I've seen Mike Piazza hit a one hand off balance home run on multiple occasions. If you watched during this era dudes were muscling it out of the ball park. If you watched an ounce f baseball in this era, it is obvious steroids had a huge impact on the game, I don't need scientific evidence to tell me that. While I'm not sure Osh realizes this, sports are played in on a field, not in a computer lab.

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Maybe homeruns didn't increase overall but guys hitting a lot of them sure did

. I'm sure steroids didn't help Brady Anderson, Greg Vaughn, A-Rod, Luis Gonzales, Sammy, Mark or Barry.

And your right Barry Bonds was great. But guys don't wake up in the eve of their career and turn into home run monsters something Barry never was. If Barry had solid contact with the ball, it was going out of the park. Period. So how does one explain that happening at 38 and than say Steroids have no proven benefit, when basically all the guys who have actually opened up about taking it have admitted it made them better. Clemens doesn't have some of the best year's of his career at 41 without the Stuff. Jose Canseco, a guy who obviously knows a lot about it since he was huge in ushering in the era of gaudy numbers, claimed he saw marked improvements in the quickness of his hand-eye coordination, something that def. would benefit you a lot. I'll trust the guys who have actually taken the +!$@, and reaped its success over the nerd in the science lab who hasn't touched a bat in his life.

There's lots of professional studies that are BS. There are people that believe steroids have no long-term health affects? Do y'all wanna take them and find out? Doubt it...There was just a study that came out where a scientist claimed sugar was poision

, unlike y'all yokels a single study doesn't impress me.

And Matt Stairs, the guy you know so well lost 40 pounds in the offseason of '07, I'm sure that was through his non-workout plan though.

And I'm sure it is just a coincidence that Stairs had his breakout years in Oakland, on a team full of known juicers.

And your right, there are lots of presidents for break out seasons. But Baustista isn't a breakout, the guy has his 63 home runs in the past calender year that is an evolution and the only time we've see guys put up those numbers in the past 50 years have been guys who were known juicers. If you take roids and swing for homeruns like Sammy and McGwire and Gonzo did, you'll have some success.

airmaxpenny1 · May 16, 2011