Kevin Samuels Dead at 56

[Belgium]

I only know of F&F from Twitter and it's always them looking like bozos.

For supposed 'alpha males', aka astrology for men, those Fresh & Fit dudes seem like extremely insecure manchildren.
Talking about how men shouldn't allow their girl to have an instagram because that's cheating
I can't believe people take those dudes seriously

 

[WASHED KING]

For supposed 'alpha males', aka astrology for men, those Fresh & Fit dudes seem like extremely insecure manchildren.
Talking about how men shouldn't allow their girl to have an instagram because that's cheating
I can't believe people take those dudes seriously

They're very weird individuals.

 

[paulwest1985]

For supposed 'alpha males', aka astrology for men, those Fresh & Fit dudes seem like extremely insecure manchildren.
Talking about how men shouldn't allow their girl to have an instagram because that's cheating
I can't believe people take those dudes seriously

They got exposed last year when someone caught Myron's profile on seeking arrangements. Dude was paying for box. Goes against his "alpha" stance. And that other clown that always wears that CEO shirt got called out by DJ Akademiks to his face for doing the same thing

 

[Grine]

 

[sooperhooper]

I can't fully explain this bc honestly l don't fully understand it, but Kevin Samuels and Young Dolph both had a very peculiar energy about them. I can't put my finger on it but somehow l knew they wouldn't be around long.

 

[Belgium]

They got exposed last year when someone caught Myron's profile on seeking arrangements. Dude was paying for box. Goes against his "alpha" stance. And that other clown that always wears that CEO shirt got called out by DJ Akademiks to his face for doing the same thing

Not surprising And dude’s profile on that service looks about as corny as you’d expect

I think the alpha/beta/sigma male nonsense largely consists of insecure men trying to boost their self esteem by talking down on women

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I thought the current stance for HVM based on kevin samuels and F&F was that pay for play was more than fine as long as it was with high class "professionals"? Or going out to Columbia to pay for play. "Alpha" means what ever the hell these redpill folks need it to mean lol

 

[tokes99]

For supposed 'alpha males', aka astrology for men, those Fresh & Fit dudes seem like extremely insecure manchildren.
Talking about how men shouldn't allow their girl to have an instagram because that's cheating
I can't believe people take those dudes seriously

the f&f dudes have never called themselves alpha, they have been fairly open about ‘hacking’ dating from being nerds; if people understand that they speak on topics very generally and somewhat in hyperbole the things they say are sensible from that lens…

they call ig the #1 dating app, and if a girl is putting the cheeks on display without regard to how her man feels, she probably ain’t for him (which isn’t to say a girl who doesn’t post on ig couldn’t be on the same type of time) so it is really something of an arbitrary boundary for these times, it really is up to individual guys to create & enforce their own boundaries. their larger point in terms of ‘allowing’ ig is that guys should be much more ‘strict’ about whatever their boundaries are with women

Not surprising And dude’s profile on that service looks about as corny as you’d expect

I think the alpha/beta/sigma male nonsense largely consists of insecure men trying to boost their self esteem by talking down on women

they’ve also discussed using every available dating site to increase the sheer number & variety of women…upping the opportunities to meet women not to actually pay because supposedly women just see dudes on those sites as some indicator of ‘higher value’

I thought the current stance for HVM based on kevin samuels and F&F was that pay for play was more than fine as long as it was with high class "professionals"? Or going out to Columbia to pay for play. "Alpha" means what ever the hell these redpill folks need it to mean lol

samuels was definitely on that wave, because his whole stance was basically men should focus on becoming ‘high value’ the escort thing was about efficiency for him…but the f&f dudes while not necessarily against it don’t really support paying for

 

[finessence]

… he lives in Miami. I live in south Florida too….. TRUST me he does not need a dating app to find a variety of women. Those dudes are LAME.

Men who need dating tips from YouTube are already lost. It’s so lame.
Like just literally go outside and mingle with women. Most dudes just don’t have game.

Dating/talking to women is not complicated

 

[finessence]

They don’t support paying but in turn told women that having an IG is cheating? Dudes are clearly insecure and pay. Any man concerned about something like that is insecure and a control freak.

Dude also put that he makes 300k on his profile, that’s another dead giveaway that he’s paying. A true Mack doesn’t have to disclose certain information. It’s either in you or it’s not

 

[kingkoopa]

I can't fully explain this bc honestly l don't fully understand it, but Kevin Samuels and Young Dolph both had a very peculiar energy about them. I can't put my finger on it but somehow l knew they wouldn't be around long.

Nah you gotta explain this dog.

They are both black men.

Enlighten me on their other similarities.

 

[clyde the glide]

I'm a humble six figure woman

 

[tokes99]

… he lives in Miami. I live in south Florida too….. TRUST me he does not need a dating app to find a variety of women. Those dudes are LAME.

Men who need dating tips from YouTube are already lost. It’s so lame.
Like just literally go outside and mingle with women. Most dudes just don’t have game.

Dating/talking to women is not complicated

They don’t support paying but in turn told women that having an IG is cheating? Dudes are clearly insecure and pay. Any man concerned about something like that is insecure and a control freak.

Dude also put that he makes 300k on his profile, that’s another dead giveaway that he’s paying. A true Mack doesn’t have to disclose certain information. It’s either in you or it’s not

i don’t see the relation between paying for sex and no ig? my interpretation of the ig ‘cheating’ thing is to do with access/presentation & to make a point about what a dude will or won’t accept from a girl that is in a relationship

these are dudes that are/were self-proclaimed nerds…so i don’t think they would totally disagree with being called lames, they do advocate for just approaching women but they make it a point that for the guys that are trying to improve their chances with women, those guys should make use of every method/tool, ig, dating apps/sites, in person, finance, lifestyle, fitness…and the reality is today more folk are meeting online

they come at it from the perspective of ig is a way to get attention & vet potential partners for both sexes so to an extent it be like if a dude’s girl was rocking with bumble/tinder…and given the way the dating zeitgeist has shifted, if dudes want to ‘protect’ their relationship in world where any dude could dm their girl it would behoove them to setup the ‘rules of engagement’ when it comes to these things

 

[DCAllAfrican]

 

[water]

This is why he was needed to combat stupid ish like this

I would have thought the title of this article was common sense but not to this new generation of body positivity/fat acceptance

 

[rrlegend]

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdpe9YNx/
Them f&f dudes are just lames with money .their whole gimmick is too diss the women that dissed them .

 

[executive76]

Men who need dating tips from YouTube are already lost. It’s so lame.
Like just literally go outside and mingle with women. Most dudes just don’t have game.

Dating/talking to women is not complicated

I'm gonna have to push back on this. If it's ok to learn how to tie a tie or change a tire on Youtube is fine to learn stuff like getting at women too.

If you don't have the right friends, cousins, siblings or a certain of father/uncle it's EASY to miss out on certain skills like this. Especially if you're not a natural at it or have a certain personality type.

Talking to women before cells phones became common, then talking to women when everyone had desktops computers/flip phones....then talking to women when smartphones became common gives a tremendous advantage to those of certain age.

 

[deusavertat]

I'm gonna have to push back on this. If it's ok to learn how to tie a tie or change a tire on Youtube is fine to learn stuff like getting at women too.

If you don't have the right friends, cousins, siblings or a certain of father/uncle it's EASY to miss out on certain skills like this. Especially if you're not a natural at it or have a certain personality type.

Talking to women before cells phones became common, then talking to women when everyone had desktops computers/flip phones....then talking to women when smartphones became common gives a tremendous advantage to those of certain age.

The difference is changing a tire is a task that should more or less be done the same way every time.

Getting women isn't as homogenous a task as changing tires. What works for one woman may not work for another. You're better off just figuring it out by yourself.

 

[executive76]

Virtually no one figures it out completely by themselves. Gaining insight/perspective and hearing stories/experiences from other humans goes a long way and if you aren't getting that offline...online is the next best thing.

 

[deusavertat]

Virtually no one figures it out completely by themselves. Gaining insight/perspective and hearing stories/experiences from other humans goes a long way and if you aren't getting that offline...online is the next best thing.

Yea but a lot of these love gurus can barely keep their own love lives together. I wouldn't trust some random guy online


1. Be handsome
2. Be tall
3. Have money
4. Know how to hold a conversation
5. Share common interests with whoever you're pursuing.


The rest is spontaneous and luck of the draw.

 

[executive76]

No one said anything about trust. People offline like family members/friends can be just as if not more problematic. You take what you need from multiple sources and apply it as you see fit.

 

[deusavertat]

No one said anything about trust. People offline like family members/friends can be just as if not more problematic. You take what you need from multiple sources and apply it as you see fit.

A lot of those online gurus work on confirmation bias and stereotypes. They just tell their chosen demographic what they want to hear. The only way to learn this is trial and failure. I think some guy who makes money off telling people what to think about relationships is the absolute worst source to learn it from.

 

[deuce king]

From The Style O.G.



I wish The Godfather/The O.G. podcast would have happened.

 

[tokes99]

Yea but a lot of these love gurus can barely keep their own love lives together. I wouldn't trust some random guy online


1. Be handsome
2. Be tall
3. Have money
4. Know how to hold a conversation
5. Share common interests with whoever you're pursuing.


The rest is spontaneous and luck of the draw.

not sure if seriously…how can mandem get gyal if not handsome, aren’t tall, are broke (as most young dudes are), are socially awkward, inexperienced, and/or unaware (especially the youngin’s these days that have come up with screens & social media), and aren’t likely too have many things in common with the girls that they are pursuing?

it makes sense to me that young people would look to youtube/social media for help… i’d guess that most here aren’t dealing with quite the same issues young dudes are having in terms of being attractive to their female cohorts. having seen some of the f&f content, they do give common sense advice (approach often, be outcome independent, improve yourself to maximize appeal/results) and use data to legitimize/rationalize their views

 

[deusavertat]

not sure if seriously…how can mandem get gyal if not handsome, aren’t tall, are broke (as most young dudes are), are socially awkward, inexperienced, and/or unaware (especially the youngin’s these days that have come up with screens & social media), and aren’t likely too have many things in common with the girls that they are pursuing?

it makes sense to me that young people would look to youtube/social media for help… i’d guess that most here aren’t dealing with quite the same issues young dudes are having in terms of being attractive to their female cohorts. having seen some of the f&f content, they do give common sense advice (approach often, be outcome independent, improve yourself to maximize appeal/results) and use data to legitimize/rationalize their views

Everyone comes up with social media these days so they know how to work that. It sounds like more of a problem for old heads. A significant amount of relationships nowadays start on social media and dating sites. Just work with what you got.