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shaq in his prime >> kobe in his prime
Kobe's game 7
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shaq in his prime >> kobe in his prime
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I aint defending Kobe but yea OK buddy..Originally Posted by 0cks
You guys are awesomeOriginally Posted by Jae Kilroy
Originally Posted by 0cks
Thanks for proving a great point...LOOK HOW MUCH HE SCORED IN THE FOURTHWho else had the luxury of having the Juggernaut down low (pause) to soften up the opposing frontline for Bean to go ham in the fourth? This guy was cruising the entire game, it is so laughable that you guys can't admit that Shaq was the common DENOMINATOR, Kobe could be replaced with any prolific SG at the time and SHAQ would still have gotten his rings. SHAQ WAS A GAMECHANGER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
So Kobe wasn't a gamechanger? Do you remember the hack a shaq? Who had the ball in their hands during crunch time? Its hilarious because Shaq had a prolific SG in Penny Hardaway & how many rings did they rack up?
supporting my arguments and stuff. Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance.
Shouldn't be the other way around?..save the best for last?..especially in the playoffs..ummm yea
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I aint defending Kobe but yea OK buddy..Originally Posted by 0cks
You guys are awesomeOriginally Posted by Jae Kilroy
Originally Posted by 0cks
Thanks for proving a great point...LOOK HOW MUCH HE SCORED IN THE FOURTHWho else had the luxury of having the Juggernaut down low (pause) to soften up the opposing frontline for Bean to go ham in the fourth? This guy was cruising the entire game, it is so laughable that you guys can't admit that Shaq was the common DENOMINATOR, Kobe could be replaced with any prolific SG at the time and SHAQ would still have gotten his rings. SHAQ WAS A GAMECHANGER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
So Kobe wasn't a gamechanger? Do you remember the hack a shaq? Who had the ball in their hands during crunch time? Its hilarious because Shaq had a prolific SG in Penny Hardaway & how many rings did they rack up?
supporting my arguments and stuff. Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance.
Shouldn't be the other way around?..save the best for last?..especially in the playoffs..ummm yea
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You said that like they're both centers or something..
But yea, Shaq was a MONSTER back then..
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You said that like they're both centers or something..
But yea, Shaq was a MONSTER back then..
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Originally Posted by Goldmember
I aint defending Kobe but yea OK buddy..Originally Posted by 0cks
You guys are awesomeOriginally Posted by Jae Kilroy
Originally Posted by 0cks
Thanks for proving a great point...LOOK HOW MUCH HE SCORED IN THE FOURTHWho else had the luxury of having the Juggernaut down low (pause) to soften up the opposing frontline for Bean to go ham in the fourth? This guy was cruising the entire game, it is so laughable that you guys can't admit that Shaq was the common DENOMINATOR, Kobe could be replaced with any prolific SG at the time and SHAQ would still have gotten his rings. SHAQ WAS A GAMECHANGER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
So Kobe wasn't a gamechanger? Do you remember the hack a shaq? Who had the ball in their hands during crunch time? Its hilarious because Shaq had a prolific SG in Penny Hardaway & how many rings did they rack up?
supporting my arguments and stuff. Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance.
Shouldn't be the other way around?..save the best for last?..especially in the playoffs..ummm yea
So you are suggesting letting Kobe shoot you out of the game through 3 quarters? Let the frontline save all their fouls and then ask Shaq to save the day in 12 with all that working against them? That's like a doomsday scenario (see what I did there?) Good thing Phil Jackson and Tex Winter were sitting on the bench and not you
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Originally Posted by Goldmember
I aint defending Kobe but yea OK buddy..Originally Posted by 0cks
You guys are awesomeOriginally Posted by Jae Kilroy
Originally Posted by 0cks
Thanks for proving a great point...LOOK HOW MUCH HE SCORED IN THE FOURTHWho else had the luxury of having the Juggernaut down low (pause) to soften up the opposing frontline for Bean to go ham in the fourth? This guy was cruising the entire game, it is so laughable that you guys can't admit that Shaq was the common DENOMINATOR, Kobe could be replaced with any prolific SG at the time and SHAQ would still have gotten his rings. SHAQ WAS A GAMECHANGER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
So Kobe wasn't a gamechanger? Do you remember the hack a shaq? Who had the ball in their hands during crunch time? Its hilarious because Shaq had a prolific SG in Penny Hardaway & how many rings did they rack up?
supporting my arguments and stuff. Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance.
Shouldn't be the other way around?..save the best for last?..especially in the playoffs..ummm yea
So you are suggesting letting Kobe shoot you out of the game through 3 quarters? Let the frontline save all their fouls and then ask Shaq to save the day in 12 with all that working against them? That's like a doomsday scenario (see what I did there?) Good thing Phil Jackson and Tex Winter were sitting on the bench and not you
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These dudes who say Kobe was a role player for the 3 peat have no idea what they are talking about and did not watch a single game during the 3 peat playoff run.
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These dudes who say Kobe was a role player for the 3 peat have no idea what they are talking about and did not watch a single game during the 3 peat playoff run.
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Originally Posted by Goldmember
You said that like they're both centers or something..
But yea, Shaq was a MONSTER back then..
well they dont play the same postition,but shaq was def. the better and more dominant player.
plus shaq equaled wins.
i watched all of that shaq dynasty from him leavin orlando in 96 til he left in 04
and when the lakers consistently gave shaq touches they had a better chance of winning
compared to when kobe started jackin up shots they would start losing.
im sure any laker fan could tell you that
and somebody pull up shaqs career win percentage. i just wanna see it
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Originally Posted by Goldmember
You said that like they're both centers or something..
But yea, Shaq was a MONSTER back then..
well they dont play the same postition,but shaq was def. the better and more dominant player.
plus shaq equaled wins.
i watched all of that shaq dynasty from him leavin orlando in 96 til he left in 04
and when the lakers consistently gave shaq touches they had a better chance of winning
compared to when kobe started jackin up shots they would start losing.
im sure any laker fan could tell you that
and somebody pull up shaqs career win percentage. i just wanna see it
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wow this is still going on?
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wow this is still going on?
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I'm just responding to what you said earlier about "Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance. " ....remember?Originally Posted by 0cks
Originally Posted by Goldmember
I aint defending Kobe but yea OK buddy..Originally Posted by 0cks
You guys are awesomeOriginally Posted by Jae Kilroy
Originally Posted by 0cks
Thanks for proving a great point...LOOK HOW MUCH HE SCORED IN THE FOURTHWho else had the luxury of having the Juggernaut down low (pause) to soften up the opposing frontline for Bean to go ham in the fourth? This guy was cruising the entire game, it is so laughable that you guys can't admit that Shaq was the common DENOMINATOR, Kobe could be replaced with any prolific SG at the time and SHAQ would still have gotten his rings. SHAQ WAS A GAMECHANGER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
So Kobe wasn't a gamechanger? Do you remember the hack a shaq? Who had the ball in their hands during crunch time? Its hilarious because Shaq had a prolific SG in Penny Hardaway & how many rings did they rack up?
supporting my arguments and stuff. Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance.
Shouldn't be the other way around?..save the best for last?..especially in the playoffs..ummm yeawut? We ain't talkin about a wedding reception man.
So you are suggesting letting Kobe shoot you out of the game through 3 quarters? Let the frontline save all their fouls and then ask Shaq to save the day in 12 with all that working against them? That's like a doomsday scenario (see what I did there?) Good thing Phil Jackson and Tex Winter were sitting on the bench and not you
I'm just sayin that's not actually the case..if you actually watched those championship years.. Shaq was in foul trouble most of the time..he would even sit on the bench till 3rd qtr leaving Kobe and the others do the job...then that sets up Shaq/Kobe going full force in the 4th.. that's all it is
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I'm just responding to what you said earlier about "Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance. " ....remember?Originally Posted by 0cks
Originally Posted by Goldmember
I aint defending Kobe but yea OK buddy..Originally Posted by 0cks
You guys are awesomeOriginally Posted by Jae Kilroy
Originally Posted by 0cks
Thanks for proving a great point...LOOK HOW MUCH HE SCORED IN THE FOURTHWho else had the luxury of having the Juggernaut down low (pause) to soften up the opposing frontline for Bean to go ham in the fourth? This guy was cruising the entire game, it is so laughable that you guys can't admit that Shaq was the common DENOMINATOR, Kobe could be replaced with any prolific SG at the time and SHAQ would still have gotten his rings. SHAQ WAS A GAMECHANGER IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
So Kobe wasn't a gamechanger? Do you remember the hack a shaq? Who had the ball in their hands during crunch time? Its hilarious because Shaq had a prolific SG in Penny Hardaway & how many rings did they rack up?
supporting my arguments and stuff. Shaq and the entire opposing frontline had just gotten done completing a 3on1 no holds barred Royal Rumble after three quarters. Fouled out, bruised, battered and tired by the time the 4th rolled around. Kobe had the lane with no resistance.
Shouldn't be the other way around?..save the best for last?..especially in the playoffs..ummm yeawut? We ain't talkin about a wedding reception man.
So you are suggesting letting Kobe shoot you out of the game through 3 quarters? Let the frontline save all their fouls and then ask Shaq to save the day in 12 with all that working against them? That's like a doomsday scenario (see what I did there?) Good thing Phil Jackson and Tex Winter were sitting on the bench and not you
I'm just sayin that's not actually the case..if you actually watched those championship years.. Shaq was in foul trouble most of the time..he would even sit on the bench till 3rd qtr leaving Kobe and the others do the job...then that sets up Shaq/Kobe going full force in the 4th.. that's all it is
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At the end of the day Kobe is one of the greatest to ever do it. What he did early in his career was impressive, I just don't see myself being convinced that he was dominating the league at that point. He didn't even have the range and strength he gained later in his career.
Obviously Kobe was/is a vastly superior BBall player than Shaq ever was but that doesn't make him more dominant. IMO Kobe's skillset> Jordan's. Kobe's only problem was playing the game with an agenda.
I'll end with Kobe's own words according to Phill Jackson "I'm tired of being a sidekick!"
Obviously Kobe was/is a vastly superior BBall player than Shaq ever was but that doesn't make him more dominant. IMO Kobe's skillset> Jordan's. Kobe's only problem was playing the game with an agenda.
I'll end with Kobe's own words according to Phill Jackson "I'm tired of being a sidekick!"
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At the end of the day Kobe is one of the greatest to ever do it. What he did early in his career was impressive, I just don't see myself being convinced that he was dominating the league at that point. He didn't even have the range and strength he gained later in his career.
Obviously Kobe was/is a vastly superior BBall player than Shaq ever was but that doesn't make him more dominant. IMO Kobe's skillset> Jordan's. Kobe's only problem was playing the game with an agenda.
I'll end with Kobe's own words according to Phill Jackson "I'm tired of being a sidekick!"
Obviously Kobe was/is a vastly superior BBall player than Shaq ever was but that doesn't make him more dominant. IMO Kobe's skillset> Jordan's. Kobe's only problem was playing the game with an agenda.
I'll end with Kobe's own words according to Phill Jackson "I'm tired of being a sidekick!"
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Ok, if hes not the best closer in the NBA, then who is? Answer that and I'll shutup in this thread and every other Kobe thread on niketalk.
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Ok, if hes not the best closer in the NBA, then who is? Answer that and I'll shutup in this thread and every other Kobe thread on niketalk.
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Lebron, now shut up.
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Lebron, now shut up.
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Kobe was far from a role player, but if you can't admit Shaq was the main key to those Lakers teams, I don't even know what to say.
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Kobe was far from a role player, but if you can't admit Shaq was the main key to those Lakers teams, I don't even know what to say.
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Originally Posted by acidicality
Kobe was far from a role player, but if you can't admit Shaq was the main key to those Lakers teams, I don't even know what to say.
any realistic Laker fan will admit Shaq was the main key to those Laker teams but alot of people are and will continue to downplay Kobe's role during that run which is what i don't agree with but it really is like arguing with a mule because some of the crap that some people on here type is just rediculous. some members on here will downplay anything good that Kobe does and will find any little thing to critique it on and it's just not worth taking 99% of the stuff they say seriously and it's not even worth arguing with them because regardless of how many things you put to back your argument up with, they'll always have some assinine counter argument
