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**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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If DLo and his value contract becomes expendable at the deadline due to JHS's emergence and GV's steady play, then this is the deal to make because we already know Schroder ain't gonna cut it as the starting pg in Toronto and OG may be the next one to leave
Gonna need elite perimeter wing defenders to beat Dame, Jimmy, KD, Booker, Beal
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Now that their major signings have been addressed, Rob should just wait and see if there’s a FA left in the cold once the money’s all dried up that he can get to come for the min.
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It feels good to not be on the edge of my seat for the entirety of FA season with it already out of the way already.
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sheck Wes - Mo Bamba
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Denver got worse
Brucey B was huge for them
Watch them go after Lonnie now
Brucey B was huge for them
Watch them go after Lonnie now
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Im excited for the upcoming season. We stacked with what we had already instead of past offseasons.
Oh and russ signing for 2/8 when he made $45M+ last year is hilarious
Oh and russ signing for 2/8 when he made $45M+ last year is hilarious
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They only have the minimum to offer after egregiously giving Reggie Jackson the TMLE.
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With the deals these other dudes are getting, give Rob another extension.
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Lebrons Google Image Search today for his IG:
“Jaxson Hayes Screaming
Taurean Prince Screaming
Gabe Vincent Screaming
Cam Reddish Screaming
Vanderbiltreturning clothes Screaming”
“Jaxson Hayes Screaming
Taurean Prince Screaming
Gabe Vincent Screaming
Cam Reddish Screaming
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Yea This is probably the deepest roster we've had since 21, & as long as somehow Bron AND AD aren't out for long periods at the same time, i don't see us dropping out of the top 4. AD & Bron both carried the team for stretches last year when the other was out but it cost them come playoff time. In the regular season both could "coast" by there standards & with the depth the team should still be able to win.
Still would like another big but i guess they could wait on that
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3 remaining items:
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2. 5th starter
3. Ad extension
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2. 5th starter
3. Ad extension
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???
You mean deciding Vando vs Rui?
Hope it’s not
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Denver-
Murray / RJax
KCP/Braun/ Watson
MPJ
Gordon/Nnaji / Cancar
Jokic / DeAndre
Woof at that bench.
Only movement is mínimums, or whatever is left of the MLE which is like $7mil. But if they use it all, can’t use any mínimums because they hit the hard cap.
(May end up holding on to a chunk of the MLE for potential buyout market)
Murray / RJax
KCP/Braun/ Watson
MPJ
Gordon/Nnaji / Cancar
Jokic / DeAndre
Woof at that bench.
Only movement is mínimums, or whatever is left of the MLE which is like $7mil. But if they use it all, can’t use any mínimums because they hit the hard cap.
(May end up holding on to a chunk of the MLE for potential buyout market)
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Looking into Hayes more. He's not good 
. He'll have some highlights but he can't play basketball
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Fewer than 24 hours into NBA free agency, the Lakers executed their stated plan of running back last season’s core with marginal upgrades and cemented themselves as one of the offseason’s big early winners.
Los Angeles locked in continuity for next season and rounded out its roster on the second day of free agency, agreeing to retain the starting backcourt of Austin Reaves (four years, approximately $56 million with a fourth-year player option) and D’Angelo Russell (two years, $37 million with a player option on the second year), while adding a backup center in Jaxson Hayes for two years at the veteran’s minimum, with a player option on the second year. Those moves came one day after the Lakers agreed to terms with Gabe Vincent, Taurean Prince and Cam Reddish while retaining Rui Hachimura.
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Reaves, Russell and Hachimura were the organization’s top three priorities to retain. Given how the free-agency market played out, Los Angeles ended up firmly in the driver’s seat for each free agent, which is reflected in the value of each of the contracts they agreed to.
The biggest move, by far, was retaining Reaves, which brings the roster to 13 players. The Lakers succeeded in scaring off the rest of the market for the restricted free agent, most notably the San Antonio Spurs and Houston Rockets. No team with cap space was willing to offer Reaves a four-year max contract at around $102 million if the Lakers were going to match anyway.
Instead, the Lakers will pay Reaves almost half of that price over the four years. The first two seasons of Reaves’ deal would have been for the same dollar figure regardless of the deal he signed, but the last two would’ve been backloaded had the Lakers been forced to match another team’s maximum offer, which would’ve affected how the Lakers built their roster in 2025-26 and 2026-27. The trade-off is Reaves got a player option on the fourth year and can enter free agency in 2026, when he’ll be 28.
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How Austin Reaves, Lakers will be impacted by CBA's Gilbert Arenas provision
Had Reaves been an unrestricted free agent, he likely would’ve agreed to a contract worth well north of $100 million this offseason. The 6-foot-5 guard just turned 25 and was the third-best player on a team that made the Western Conference finals. Over the final 10 games of the regular season, when Reaves became a full-time starter, he averaged 18.3 points, 3.3 rebounds and 6.1 assists per game while shooting 57.1 percent from the field, 48.6 percent from 3 and 89.8 percent from the free-throw line.
Reaves continued his stellar play into the playoffs, averaging 16.9 points, 4.4 rebounds, 4.6 assists on 46.4 percent from the field and 44.3 from 3 as a starter over the Lakers’ 16 games. The only players to hit those marks last postseason were Nikola Jokić, Devin Booker and Kawhi Leonard (though Leonard only played in two postseason games). Team USA identified Reaves as a young player on the rise and invited him to play on its FIBA World Cup squad this summer.
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The Lakers plan on running more of their offense through Reaves next season, unlocking the point guard skills he’s flashed through his first two years in the league, according to team sources not authorized to speak publicly.
D'Angelo Russell and Austin Reaves
D’Angelo Russell and Austin Reaves are both returning to the Lakers. (Photo: Jayne Kamin-Oncea / USA Today)
The Lakers also secured Russell, their projected starting point guard, at a fair price after he helped them get to the Western Conference finals but struggled once there. The 27-year-old was one of the top unrestricted free agents guards in free agency, as the one-time All-Star possesses an elite combination of 3-point shooting (41.1 percent in the regular season since joining the Lakers in February) and playmaking (6.1 assists per game in the regular season for Los Angeles).
He was a better player and fit than Russell Westbrook, the player he essentially replaced. But the market for Russell was cold. His postseason struggles and defensive limitations make him a difficult fit as a top option for a team with title aspirations. Russell’s numbers dramatically dipped in the 2023 playoffs, from his points (17.4 to 13.3) to assists (6.1 to 4.6) to field goal percentage to 3-point percentage (41.4 to 31.0). He especially struggled against the Nuggets in the Western Conference finals, averaging 6.8 points on 32.2 percent shooting while losing his starting spot by Game 4. Teams value a player’s performance the deeper he advances in the playoffs. That, more than anything, worked against Russell in free agency.
As other teams filled their point guard voids, including the Lakers with former Heat guard Gabe Vincent and the Raptors with Russell’s former teammate Dennis Schröder, a short-term return to Los Angeles became the only logical option. This is a temporary marriage of convenience for both parties. The Lakers can move Russell during the 2023-24 season, and Russell gained the ability to opt out and sign elsewhere next summer. (One wrinkle: Russell has the right to veto any trade, but as Nate Duncan of the Dunc’d On Basketball NBA podcast noted on Twitter, the new CBA allows the team and player to negotiate the ability to waive that right as part of contract discussions. It remains unclear if the Lakers and Russell did so with this contract.)
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In their second low-stakes gamble of the offseason (the other being Reddish), the Lakers signed the 23-year-old Hayes, formerly of the New Orleans Pelicans. With Hayes (the No. 8 pick in 2019), Hachimura (the No. 9 pick) and Reddish (the No. 10 pick) on the roster, the Lakers have the entire middle of the 2019 NBA Draft lottery.
The 6-foot-11 Hayes is a high-flyer who is an excellent rim runner, lob finisher and shot blocker. He’s shot 75.2 percent from within three feet of the rim for his career, an elite figure. There are questions about his focus and awareness. He’s a work in progress as a shooter, flashing 3-point range the two previous seasons. Defensively, he can make game-changing plays but has a propensity for foul trouble. It’s still unclear if he’s better as a power forward or center; in fact, his best basketball came in the 2021-22 season when he played as a power forward next to Jonas Valančiūnas.
If the Lakers are planning on using Hayes as their primary backup center and spot starter if Anthony Davis is injured, they are taking a medium risk. Hayes is coming off a season in which he played the fewest minutes (13.0 per game) and games (47) of his four-year career after being replaced by Larry Nance Jr. in the Pelicans’ rotation. Last year, Hayes was sentenced to 450 hours of community service, 52 weeks of domestic-violence classes and three years of probation after pleading no contest to two misdemeanor charges that followed an incident with his girlfriend in Woodland Hills, Calif., in July 2021.
Here is what the Lakers ‘ depth chart currently looks like with their 13 total players.
Lakers' current depth chart
STARTERS BENCH BENCH
PG
D'Angelo Russell
Gabe Vincent
Jalen Hood-Schifino
SG
Austin Reaves
Max Christie
Maxwell Lewis
SF
LeBron James
Taurean Prince
Cam Reddish
PF
Rui Hachimura
Jarred Vanderbilt
C
Anthony Davis
Jaxson Hayes
The projected lineups are fluid. Russell is the early favorite to start at point guard, but Vincent could earn the spot if he outplays him in training camp, team sources told The Athletic. After investing heavily in Hachimura this summer, the Lakers expect him to pick up where he left off in the postseason and remain a starter despite being a bench player during the regular season. The Lakers also have plenty of positional flexibility, with Jarred Vanderbilt, Prince, Max Christie and Reddish each capable of playing at least two positions. We may even see Hayes and Davis play together at times.
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Depending on the exact first-year salaries of their new contracts, the Lakers’ payroll will be at around $165 million in guaranteed salary with 13 players. That means they’re roughly $7 million under the $172 million first apron hard-cap line with two empty roster spots available. The Lakers could still offer Malik Beasley or Lonnie Walker IV more than a minimum contract, but it’s unclear where either one would fit into the rotation with Reaves, Russell, Vincent, Prince and Christie already logging minutes at the three perimeter spots (to say nothing of James, who is basically positionless, or rookies Jalen Hood-Schifino and Maxwell Lewis).
L.A. is targeting another big man with its 14th roster spot, according to team sources. They are likely to carry 14 guaranteed contracts into the season, leaving one roster spot open. Mo Bamba, whom the Lakers waived on Thursday, and Tristan Thompson, who joined the team right before their playoff run, remain options to fill that 14th spot, according to league sources. The big man market has been dry so far during this free-agency period, so the Lakers could also wait to see if better options present themselves.
In the closest thing to his first public comments since he hinted at retirement following the Lakers’ Game 4 loss to Denver, James acknowledged each of the Lakers’ deals on his Instagram story. The Lakers continue to operate as if he will return next season.
Assuming the Lakers sign another dependable big, their offseason will conclude as a resounding success. There was a sober stability to their decision-making process that contrasted with some of the splashy mistakes they’ve made in past offseasons pursuing stars and over-the-hill role players with pedigree.
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They didn’t sacrifice their supporting cast to chase after Kyrie Irving or Fred VanVleet, as they did in 2021 when trading for Westbrook. Instead, they retained their two most promising younger performers in the playoffs (Reaves and Hachimura), added two sharpshooters who offer above-average defense (Vincent and Prince) to a rotation that needed those types of role players and took two low-risk swings on length and athleticism with top-10 picks Hayes and Reddish. The decision to retain Russell on a short-term deal was a trickier decision, given the legitimate questions about his playoff viability and role on a contending team, but he’s at least a solid regular-season contributor who should have value around the trade deadline as a pseudo-expiring contract.
Among contenders, the Lakers are one of the few teams so far to meaningfully add to their roster since the beginning of free agency. (That could, of course, change in a heartbeat depending on where Damian Lillard and James Harden land.) The Phoenix Suns added Bradley Beal to form one of the league’s best trios and nailed a bunch of their fringe signings but could miss Chris Paul. The Golden State Warriors need to incorporate Paul into their style of play. The Denver Nuggets remain the clear favorite in both the West and the NBA, but they took a hit with the loss of Bruce Brown. The LA Clippers loom as the next super team if they can pull off a Harden mega-trade, but they haven’t yet. The Boston Celtics are, on paper, the most talented team in the league, but the loss of Marcus Smart looms. The Milwaukee Bucks retained Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez, extending their championship core’s window, but they haven’t added anyone of note yet. The Miami Heat, fresh off an NBA Finals run, are the overwhelming favorites to land Lillard but lost key role players in Vincent and Max Strus.
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The Lakers have elevated themselves, if only slightly, within the mix. They did as well as they could with the resources they had available and kept the core ingredients of a conference finalist that finished 19-8 over their last 27 regular-season games, including the Play-In victory over Minnesota. This group should only get better with a summer for head coach Darvin Ham and his staff to prepare for the new group and a full training camp.
With several paths in front of them, the Lakers chose the smartest one: Retaining their best free agents and making sensible upgrades that’ll give them a chance for banner No. 18 next season.
(Top photo: Adam Pantozzi / NBAE via Getty Images)
Los Angeles locked in continuity for next season and rounded out its roster on the second day of free agency, agreeing to retain the starting backcourt of Austin Reaves (four years, approximately $56 million with a fourth-year player option) and D’Angelo Russell (two years, $37 million with a player option on the second year), while adding a backup center in Jaxson Hayes for two years at the veteran’s minimum, with a player option on the second year. Those moves came one day after the Lakers agreed to terms with Gabe Vincent, Taurean Prince and Cam Reddish while retaining Rui Hachimura.
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Reaves, Russell and Hachimura were the organization’s top three priorities to retain. Given how the free-agency market played out, Los Angeles ended up firmly in the driver’s seat for each free agent, which is reflected in the value of each of the contracts they agreed to.
The biggest move, by far, was retaining Reaves, which brings the roster to 13 players. The Lakers succeeded in scaring off the rest of the market for the restricted free agent, most notably the San Antonio Spurs and Houston Rockets. No team with cap space was willing to offer Reaves a four-year max contract at around $102 million if the Lakers were going to match anyway.
Instead, the Lakers will pay Reaves almost half of that price over the four years. The first two seasons of Reaves’ deal would have been for the same dollar figure regardless of the deal he signed, but the last two would’ve been backloaded had the Lakers been forced to match another team’s maximum offer, which would’ve affected how the Lakers built their roster in 2025-26 and 2026-27. The trade-off is Reaves got a player option on the fourth year and can enter free agency in 2026, when he’ll be 28.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
How Austin Reaves, Lakers will be impacted by CBA's Gilbert Arenas provision
Had Reaves been an unrestricted free agent, he likely would’ve agreed to a contract worth well north of $100 million this offseason. The 6-foot-5 guard just turned 25 and was the third-best player on a team that made the Western Conference finals. Over the final 10 games of the regular season, when Reaves became a full-time starter, he averaged 18.3 points, 3.3 rebounds and 6.1 assists per game while shooting 57.1 percent from the field, 48.6 percent from 3 and 89.8 percent from the free-throw line.
Reaves continued his stellar play into the playoffs, averaging 16.9 points, 4.4 rebounds, 4.6 assists on 46.4 percent from the field and 44.3 from 3 as a starter over the Lakers’ 16 games. The only players to hit those marks last postseason were Nikola Jokić, Devin Booker and Kawhi Leonard (though Leonard only played in two postseason games). Team USA identified Reaves as a young player on the rise and invited him to play on its FIBA World Cup squad this summer.
ADVERTISEMENT
The Lakers plan on running more of their offense through Reaves next season, unlocking the point guard skills he’s flashed through his first two years in the league, according to team sources not authorized to speak publicly.
D'Angelo Russell and Austin Reaves
D’Angelo Russell and Austin Reaves are both returning to the Lakers. (Photo: Jayne Kamin-Oncea / USA Today)
The Lakers also secured Russell, their projected starting point guard, at a fair price after he helped them get to the Western Conference finals but struggled once there. The 27-year-old was one of the top unrestricted free agents guards in free agency, as the one-time All-Star possesses an elite combination of 3-point shooting (41.1 percent in the regular season since joining the Lakers in February) and playmaking (6.1 assists per game in the regular season for Los Angeles).
He was a better player and fit than Russell Westbrook, the player he essentially replaced. But the market for Russell was cold. His postseason struggles and defensive limitations make him a difficult fit as a top option for a team with title aspirations. Russell’s numbers dramatically dipped in the 2023 playoffs, from his points (17.4 to 13.3) to assists (6.1 to 4.6) to field goal percentage to 3-point percentage (41.4 to 31.0). He especially struggled against the Nuggets in the Western Conference finals, averaging 6.8 points on 32.2 percent shooting while losing his starting spot by Game 4. Teams value a player’s performance the deeper he advances in the playoffs. That, more than anything, worked against Russell in free agency.
As other teams filled their point guard voids, including the Lakers with former Heat guard Gabe Vincent and the Raptors with Russell’s former teammate Dennis Schröder, a short-term return to Los Angeles became the only logical option. This is a temporary marriage of convenience for both parties. The Lakers can move Russell during the 2023-24 season, and Russell gained the ability to opt out and sign elsewhere next summer. (One wrinkle: Russell has the right to veto any trade, but as Nate Duncan of the Dunc’d On Basketball NBA podcast noted on Twitter, the new CBA allows the team and player to negotiate the ability to waive that right as part of contract discussions. It remains unclear if the Lakers and Russell did so with this contract.)
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In their second low-stakes gamble of the offseason (the other being Reddish), the Lakers signed the 23-year-old Hayes, formerly of the New Orleans Pelicans. With Hayes (the No. 8 pick in 2019), Hachimura (the No. 9 pick) and Reddish (the No. 10 pick) on the roster, the Lakers have the entire middle of the 2019 NBA Draft lottery.
The 6-foot-11 Hayes is a high-flyer who is an excellent rim runner, lob finisher and shot blocker. He’s shot 75.2 percent from within three feet of the rim for his career, an elite figure. There are questions about his focus and awareness. He’s a work in progress as a shooter, flashing 3-point range the two previous seasons. Defensively, he can make game-changing plays but has a propensity for foul trouble. It’s still unclear if he’s better as a power forward or center; in fact, his best basketball came in the 2021-22 season when he played as a power forward next to Jonas Valančiūnas.
If the Lakers are planning on using Hayes as their primary backup center and spot starter if Anthony Davis is injured, they are taking a medium risk. Hayes is coming off a season in which he played the fewest minutes (13.0 per game) and games (47) of his four-year career after being replaced by Larry Nance Jr. in the Pelicans’ rotation. Last year, Hayes was sentenced to 450 hours of community service, 52 weeks of domestic-violence classes and three years of probation after pleading no contest to two misdemeanor charges that followed an incident with his girlfriend in Woodland Hills, Calif., in July 2021.
Here is what the Lakers ‘ depth chart currently looks like with their 13 total players.
Lakers' current depth chart
STARTERS BENCH BENCH
PG
D'Angelo Russell
Gabe Vincent
Jalen Hood-Schifino
SG
Austin Reaves
Max Christie
Maxwell Lewis
SF
LeBron James
Taurean Prince
Cam Reddish
PF
Rui Hachimura
Jarred Vanderbilt
C
Anthony Davis
Jaxson Hayes
The projected lineups are fluid. Russell is the early favorite to start at point guard, but Vincent could earn the spot if he outplays him in training camp, team sources told The Athletic. After investing heavily in Hachimura this summer, the Lakers expect him to pick up where he left off in the postseason and remain a starter despite being a bench player during the regular season. The Lakers also have plenty of positional flexibility, with Jarred Vanderbilt, Prince, Max Christie and Reddish each capable of playing at least two positions. We may even see Hayes and Davis play together at times.
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Depending on the exact first-year salaries of their new contracts, the Lakers’ payroll will be at around $165 million in guaranteed salary with 13 players. That means they’re roughly $7 million under the $172 million first apron hard-cap line with two empty roster spots available. The Lakers could still offer Malik Beasley or Lonnie Walker IV more than a minimum contract, but it’s unclear where either one would fit into the rotation with Reaves, Russell, Vincent, Prince and Christie already logging minutes at the three perimeter spots (to say nothing of James, who is basically positionless, or rookies Jalen Hood-Schifino and Maxwell Lewis).
L.A. is targeting another big man with its 14th roster spot, according to team sources. They are likely to carry 14 guaranteed contracts into the season, leaving one roster spot open. Mo Bamba, whom the Lakers waived on Thursday, and Tristan Thompson, who joined the team right before their playoff run, remain options to fill that 14th spot, according to league sources. The big man market has been dry so far during this free-agency period, so the Lakers could also wait to see if better options present themselves.
In the closest thing to his first public comments since he hinted at retirement following the Lakers’ Game 4 loss to Denver, James acknowledged each of the Lakers’ deals on his Instagram story. The Lakers continue to operate as if he will return next season.
Assuming the Lakers sign another dependable big, their offseason will conclude as a resounding success. There was a sober stability to their decision-making process that contrasted with some of the splashy mistakes they’ve made in past offseasons pursuing stars and over-the-hill role players with pedigree.
ADVERTISEMENT
They didn’t sacrifice their supporting cast to chase after Kyrie Irving or Fred VanVleet, as they did in 2021 when trading for Westbrook. Instead, they retained their two most promising younger performers in the playoffs (Reaves and Hachimura), added two sharpshooters who offer above-average defense (Vincent and Prince) to a rotation that needed those types of role players and took two low-risk swings on length and athleticism with top-10 picks Hayes and Reddish. The decision to retain Russell on a short-term deal was a trickier decision, given the legitimate questions about his playoff viability and role on a contending team, but he’s at least a solid regular-season contributor who should have value around the trade deadline as a pseudo-expiring contract.
Among contenders, the Lakers are one of the few teams so far to meaningfully add to their roster since the beginning of free agency. (That could, of course, change in a heartbeat depending on where Damian Lillard and James Harden land.) The Phoenix Suns added Bradley Beal to form one of the league’s best trios and nailed a bunch of their fringe signings but could miss Chris Paul. The Golden State Warriors need to incorporate Paul into their style of play. The Denver Nuggets remain the clear favorite in both the West and the NBA, but they took a hit with the loss of Bruce Brown. The LA Clippers loom as the next super team if they can pull off a Harden mega-trade, but they haven’t yet. The Boston Celtics are, on paper, the most talented team in the league, but the loss of Marcus Smart looms. The Milwaukee Bucks retained Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez, extending their championship core’s window, but they haven’t added anyone of note yet. The Miami Heat, fresh off an NBA Finals run, are the overwhelming favorites to land Lillard but lost key role players in Vincent and Max Strus.
go-deeper
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Damian Lillard or bust is the only path for the Heat. It's also the correct one
The Lakers have elevated themselves, if only slightly, within the mix. They did as well as they could with the resources they had available and kept the core ingredients of a conference finalist that finished 19-8 over their last 27 regular-season games, including the Play-In victory over Minnesota. This group should only get better with a summer for head coach Darvin Ham and his staff to prepare for the new group and a full training camp.
With several paths in front of them, the Lakers chose the smartest one: Retaining their best free agents and making sensible upgrades that’ll give them a chance for banner No. 18 next season.
(Top photo: Adam Pantozzi / NBAE via Getty Images)
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Looking into Hayes more. He's not good
We ain't asking him to be Shaq.
Grab boards, protect the rim (as best he can) and rim run...
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True but I heard Dallas really really wanted him so that makes me happyLooking into Hayes more. He's not good
