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Why are we doing this thing where we want our high energy, secondary players to be catapulted into the SLU? Have we forgotten Bench Mob?
**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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and he said he wasnt a catch and shoot guy
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RIP Kobe
i remember that day
i found out as i walked out the theatre after watching jojo rabbit
phone was blown up and i remember reading my brothers text, " is this true"
seeing all the twitter notifications and going to tmz to confirm
i cried in the car for like 30 min
i remember that day
i found out as i walked out the theatre after watching jojo rabbit
phone was blown up and i remember reading my brothers text, " is this true"
seeing all the twitter notifications and going to tmz to confirm
i cried in the car for like 30 min
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Things haven't been the same without him here. RIP Bean!
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I almost feel like nobody else wants Murray and we are the only game in town.
If it happens cool. If not...just play the season out.
Just gonna be cooked if D.lo leaves for nothing in the summer.
If it happens cool. If not...just play the season out.
Just gonna be cooked if D.lo leaves for nothing in the summer.
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Agreed.
If the Murray deal ends up with more rotation players coming back, cool. But I just don't get it if we're talking 2 or 3 for 1. Especially with the knowledge that they're throwing in the 2029 1st and another swap.
I'd rather swing on smaller rotation pieces (Schroder and GTJ give you some athleticism and shooting out the backcourt) and then try for the big trade in the summer. But I guess this just gives you 2 picks and swaps instead of 3 with a decent young player in Murray so I get it. Just think that price is high for a guy who might not be that big of a difference maker.
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Lakers mailbag: Trade interest in Dejounte Murray, D’Angelo Russell rumors, Darvin Ham’s future
With a 141-132 win over the Chicago Bulls on Thursday night at Crypto.com Arena, the Los Angeles Lakers wrapped up their home-heavy stretch of January with a 6-4 record at home and 6-6 overall.
Los Angeles is 23-23 with less than two weeks until the Feb. 8 trade deadline and faces a daunting six-game Grammys-induced trip ahead. Will they make a move before the deadline? Is D’Angelo Russell still on the table after his recent play? What about Austin Reaves? How secure is Darvin Ham’s job?
It has been a minute, so I wanted to do a Q&A to answer a lot of the questions I’ve been getting lately. Here’s Part 1 of two, in which I’ll cover the Lakers’ interest in Atlanta’s Dejounte Murray, Russell’s value, Ham’s future, why Reaves remains close to untouchable and more. Part 2 will drop next week.
Are the Lakers really trading DLo for Murray? — @ADHDGoat
The Lakers have already tried to trade Russell for Murray. The two sides were close on a potential deal about two weeks ago, as I reported last week. Talks stalled, but are expected to resume ahead of the deadline. Murray remains the Lakers’ top priority on the trade market, according to multiple team and league sources not authorized to speak publicly.
The Lakers believe Murray would provide similar offensive production to Russell, with obvious downgrades in 3-point shooting volume and playmaking. But Murray is the superior defender, athlete and penetrator, all qualities the Lakers need more of in their rotation. Like Russell, Murray has taken a step forward in recent weeks, nailing two game-winners and averaging 24.5 points, 6.2 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 0.8 steals in his past 13 games. Plus, with approximately four years and $114 million left on his extension, he’s secured for multiple seasons at a reasonable cost given his pedigree and production.
The only realistic way for the Lakers to acquire Murray would involve them sending out Russell (or Reaves, technically, but they don’t want to trade him, as I’ve previously reported and will lay out again below). It wouldn’t make sense to trade, say, Rui Hachimura for Murray, as that would create too large of a hole in the frontcourt unless the Lakers execute a separate trade for a frontcourt player.
The latest holdup has been the Hawks asking for Reaves instead of Russell, which is a nonstarter for the Lakers, and then wanting Russell re-routed to a third team if he remains in the trade. In the event the Lakers acquire Murray, Russell will almost certainly be included. That’s where talks stand as of now.
Has DLO’s recent play affected his trade value? — @burner_literal
Yes, at least as far as the Lakers are concerned. Russell’s recent play has certainly made their decision harder. He’s leading the team in points (27.4) and is second in assists (6.6) since re-entering the starting lineup on Jan. 13. This is not only his best stretch of the season, but undoubtedly the best stretch of either of his Lakers tenures and one of the best of his career.
However, it has not changed the two biggest obstacles to retaining Russell past the deadline. First, he and Reaves have a level of overlapping strengths and weaknesses that make it difficult to keep them together long term. Second, Russell’s current contract creates something of a lose-lose proposition for the Lakers.
If the Lakers have to move on from one of their lead guards, Russell makes more sense, even with him outplaying Reaves for portions of the season (the beginning, and then more recently). There’s a reason why every team asks for Reaves first: He has more leaguewide value. That perception extends to the Lakers, too, who ultimately value Reaves over Russell. Russell’s heater hasn’t changed that reality, according to team sources.
The second point requires some unpacking. Russell has an $18.7 million player option for next season. That’s a reasonable figure, but it also creates a dilemma. If Russell regresses, he’d likely exercise his player option. If he sustains or even improves his performance, he’ll likely opt out, forcing the Lakers to pay him more money or risk losing him for nothing. A scenario in which he opts in and both sides are happy projects as wishful thinking.
The Russell contract was essentially signed to be traded. That’s why he waived the de facto no-trade clause usually entitled to players on one-year contracts. It’s also why he got a player option on the second season. The Lakers don’t have to trade him, and they might not. But if they do, it’s largely because that’s been the plan since last summer.
Odds D’Angelo Russell is a Laker on Feb. 9? — @ECreates88
I’d put it at around 40 percent, which is higher than I would have as recently as a few weeks ago. I think it’s more likely than not he’s traded by the deadline, but it’s become more of a 50-50 proposition given the rising threshold for the Lakers to move him.
The Lakers view trades in which they move Russell for players like Portland’s Malcolm Brogdon, Washington’s Tyus Jones or Brooklyn’s Spencer Dinwiddie as lateral moves at best, and most likely downgrades, according to team sources. Murray is an exception, as previously stated. The Lakers could also try to plug a couple of holes, taking back two players in a deal (like a point guard and wing) in which they send out Russell. But if the Lakers and Hawks don’t resume talks, or Murray is dealt elsewhere, the odds of Russell remaining a Laker nudge closer to 50/50.
Are the Lakers still keeping Austin Reaves untouchable in trade talks?—@mindsetofbron
In short, yes. But the longer answer is more nuanced. As I outlined last week, Reaves isn’t entirely untouchable. There are players the Lakers would include him in deals to acquire. If they could add a bona fide third star to complement James and Davis – Utah All-Star Lauri Markannen, for example – or multiple high-level starters in a bigger trade, they would consider moving Reaves.
Murray, Zach LaVine, DeMar DeRozan and other players in a similar range don’t fit the criteria. They’re good, but not the season-altering difference-makers the Lakers require to give up Reaves.
Regardless of your opinion of Reaves, he’s outperforming his $12 million salary this season, and the Lakers have him under contract for at least two more seasons for a total of $27 million. He’s on one of the best role-player contracts in the league. The Lakers aren’t going to give him up unless they’re significantly upgrading their roster, with all of the current deals falling short in that regard.
Who’s more likely to be traded: Austin Reaves, D’Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Taurean Prince or Cam Reddish? — @SSBKlutch
In order, I’d rank it: Russell, Hachimura, Prince, Reddish and Reaves.
Russell is obvious. Hachimura is another mid-sized salary that could be moved, though he remains a polarizing player across the league. There are some who are skeptical of his contract — he’s making $15.7 million and has two years, $35.3 million left on his deal — and his hot-shooting playoff performance. Last season’s Western Conference finals run was the best stretch of Hachimura’s career. He’s shown some flashes of being that player this season, but due to a combination of injuries and role fluctuation, he hasn’t consistently been the player he was in April and May.
Prince ($4.5 million) and Reddish ($2.2 million) aren’t making enough money to the centerpieces of a deal, but it’s possible the Lakers include them in a trade for salary-matching purposes. Since Prince is the better player, on an expiring contract and making slightly more money than Reddish, he’s the more likely player to be valued by another team. If the Lakers are moving a minimum contract, Jaxson Hayes would be their preferred throw-in.
Are the Lakers looking at landing both Murray and (Bruce) Brown? —@WITNESSKJ
Yes, but it’s going to be difficult, if not impossible given their limited trade assets. They don’t have enough draft capital, in particular, to land both unless Atlanta or Toronto is especially high on Max Christie or Jalen Hood-Schifino and views one of those players as similar to acquiring a draft pick.
Murray and Brown are the Lakers’ top two trade targets at this moment, according to team and league sources. I think those moves, which add a more athletic and defensive-minded scoring guard and another wing that’s an upgrade over the Prince/Hachimura/Vanderbilt trio, are the types of trades that truly elevate the Lakers’ postseason ceiling and give them a clearer starting and closing lineup.
There are some within the Lakers who believe the team needs to make two moves, not one. I lean more in that direction as well. Murray and Brown is on the ambitious end of potential outcomes. I think looping in one of the Brooklyn wings (Dorian Finney-Smith or Royce O’Neale) is more realistic.
Why are the Lakers prioritizing guard targets when wing play seems to be the more glaring weakness? — @_otbj
This is a great question, because I don’t really understand it myself. To me, a better 3-and-D wing who can replace Prince in the starting lineup and provide the proper blend of shooting, defense and rebounding is the ideal trade target. Those players are hard to find and expensive, but there are some — Brown, Finney-Smith and O’Neale, for example — that are attainable and close to checking all three boxes.
Putting myself in the Lakers’ shoes, one argument you can make is if they’re trading Russell — which they would be in most deals of consequence — they’d need to replace his scoring and playmaking in the backcourt. Reaves hasn’t taken the expected leap as an on-ball playmaker that the team might’ve hoped for by this point this season, though he’s been better than some give him credit for being. Russell’s “superpower” — a term he’s used lately — is his ability to self-create out of pick-and-rolls and isolations.
Therefore, trading Russell without replacing him creates a ballhandling and playmaking hole in your rotation. The Lakers would need another point guard in their rotation — even if it’s merely Brogdon or Jones — at least until Gabe Vincent returns, which remains uncertain. According to team and league sources, Kyle Lowry, who could be available if he’s bought out by Charlotte after being traded there from Miami this week, is one name to watch for the Lakers.
To your point, though, I think the Lakers need to upgrade the Prince/Hachimura/Vanderbilt/Reddish/Christie spot of the rotation to have a real chance against the league’s elite in a seven-game series. Each one of those players comes with at least one notable flaw when playing small forward.
Why are we not using the lineups that got us to the Western Conference finals last year? Why isn’t Rui getting more minutes, especially over Prince? — @Pg_era24
It’s a good question that many people have been wondering.
On the surface, Vanderbilt is a more natural fit alongside Reaves and Russell, helping cover for them defensively and on the defensive glass with his size, length, athleticism and energy. He’s a notably better defender and rebounder than Prince, who is average-to-slightly-above-average in the first category and far-below-average in the second.
Before Thursday’s game, Ham was asked why he hadn’t played last season’s starting lineup more often, and whether its shortcomings in the playoffs had anything to do with the decision.
“Not really, man. I think it’s just the way things have shaken out,” Ham said. “Taurean has been one of our most durable guys. And one of our better 3-point shooters. With LeBron and AD playing the brand of basketball that they play, even this morning, we showed a clip of AD playmaking from the post, and he had three guys around him. And so as much spacing and shooting you can put around them, the better.
“But having said that, it was unfortunate that Vando had to miss the time he missed at the outset of the season. And it’s been a whole entire process getting him back healthy. And now getting him back in the game shape. … Some of the plays he’s making in the passing lanes and deflections, switching on different perimeter threats, interior threats. He’s rounded back into form. So you never know, you just got to take things day by day. At some point, it’s good to know though, that we have that option that we should want to push that button.”
The Lakers were plus-nine in the two minutes the Russell-Reaves-Vanderbilt-James-Davis lineup played against the Bulls. For the season, the grouping has only played 11 minutes together, with the Lakers outscoring their opponents by nine points (meaning the group had an even scoring margin in its previous nine minutes entering Thursday’s contest). That lineup should play more, if only to determine if it can recreate its success from last season.
Do you think there is an under-the-radar deal the Lakers might make? Maybe something nobody is really talking about? — @shel9x
Yes, I think that’s within the realm of possibility, if not likely. Some of the names they’ve been linked to and strongly pursued in the past — Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, Bojan Bogdanović and Kyrie Irving, to name a few — didn’t end up panning out for various reasons.
At the same time, there was noise surrounding the Russell Westbrook trade weeks before that move, with Utah as a known suitor and the deal likely featuring a third team. The only surprise was Minnesota being that third team and Russell going back to the Lakers.
Sometimes, the smoke is just smoke. Sometimes, there is actually fire. We’ll see how much of the chatter around the Lakers was real over the next 13 days.
Who has more trade value to teams: Max Christie or Jalen Hood-Schifino? — @twoweekswithpay
My sense is Christie is more valuable because he’s shown he can be a rotation-caliber wing — albeit one who still needs some seasoning — before the age of 21. Other teams are asking for Christie to be included in trade talks, but the Lakers have been reluctant to part with him.
The Lakers still hold hope with Hood-Schifino’s long-term development and he’s been playing well in the G League, but has yet to flash his potential in NBA play. It doesn’t help that the three players drafted directly behind him —Miami’s Jaime Jaquez Jr., Golden State’s Brandin Podziemski and Houston’s Cam Whitmore — have played so well this season. But the Lakers can’t go back and redraft.
The Lakers could use Hood-Schifino’s skill set, in theory, given their clear need for a backup point guard with Vincent out. He’s been more of a project than expected, but some teams could value him as the equivalent of a late first- or early second-round pick.
Two coaches have been fired midseason, one of which has a better record and standing in their conference. So when is Darvin Ham getting the boot? — @Kingjuliuus
My understanding is that Ham will be safe through the rest of the season. There is always a chance things with the Lakers go haywire, as they nearly did at the beginning of January when the team lost four consecutive games with matchups with the LA Clippers, Phoenix Suns, Oklahoma City Thunder and Dallas Mavericks looming. But the Lakers responded well by winning four of their next six games, including victories over the Clippers, Thunder and Mavericks in impressive fashion. Those results quieted the noise around the performance of the coaching staff.
The Lakers know Ham isn’t a finished product. They believe in his ability to continue to grow, as well as his success in his first season and a half. He helped lead the team to the Western Conference finals after their 2-10 start last season and to the In-Season Tournament championship earlier this season. Of course, coaching is a “What have you done for me lately?” job. The Lakers are playing better, but have hardly made a dent in the standings as they’ve basically treaded water. They need a dominant stretch, at some point, to save their season.
The manner in which the season ends will likely determine if the Lakers feel they need to move in a different direction over the summer. Do they miss the Play-In Tournament? Do they miss the playoffs? Do they lose in the first round? Or, do they win a round as a lower seed? Make the conference finals again? Win it all?
Ham has the support of governor Jeanie Buss and vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka. Those are the two most important decision-makers in the organization. Until that changes, he’s the Lakers’ leader for the foreseeable future.
With a 141-132 win over the Chicago Bulls on Thursday night at Crypto.com Arena, the Los Angeles Lakers wrapped up their home-heavy stretch of January with a 6-4 record at home and 6-6 overall.
Los Angeles is 23-23 with less than two weeks until the Feb. 8 trade deadline and faces a daunting six-game Grammys-induced trip ahead. Will they make a move before the deadline? Is D’Angelo Russell still on the table after his recent play? What about Austin Reaves? How secure is Darvin Ham’s job?
It has been a minute, so I wanted to do a Q&A to answer a lot of the questions I’ve been getting lately. Here’s Part 1 of two, in which I’ll cover the Lakers’ interest in Atlanta’s Dejounte Murray, Russell’s value, Ham’s future, why Reaves remains close to untouchable and more. Part 2 will drop next week.
Are the Lakers really trading DLo for Murray? — @ADHDGoat
The Lakers have already tried to trade Russell for Murray. The two sides were close on a potential deal about two weeks ago, as I reported last week. Talks stalled, but are expected to resume ahead of the deadline. Murray remains the Lakers’ top priority on the trade market, according to multiple team and league sources not authorized to speak publicly.
The Lakers believe Murray would provide similar offensive production to Russell, with obvious downgrades in 3-point shooting volume and playmaking. But Murray is the superior defender, athlete and penetrator, all qualities the Lakers need more of in their rotation. Like Russell, Murray has taken a step forward in recent weeks, nailing two game-winners and averaging 24.5 points, 6.2 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 0.8 steals in his past 13 games. Plus, with approximately four years and $114 million left on his extension, he’s secured for multiple seasons at a reasonable cost given his pedigree and production.
The only realistic way for the Lakers to acquire Murray would involve them sending out Russell (or Reaves, technically, but they don’t want to trade him, as I’ve previously reported and will lay out again below). It wouldn’t make sense to trade, say, Rui Hachimura for Murray, as that would create too large of a hole in the frontcourt unless the Lakers execute a separate trade for a frontcourt player.
The latest holdup has been the Hawks asking for Reaves instead of Russell, which is a nonstarter for the Lakers, and then wanting Russell re-routed to a third team if he remains in the trade. In the event the Lakers acquire Murray, Russell will almost certainly be included. That’s where talks stand as of now.
Has DLO’s recent play affected his trade value? — @burner_literal
Yes, at least as far as the Lakers are concerned. Russell’s recent play has certainly made their decision harder. He’s leading the team in points (27.4) and is second in assists (6.6) since re-entering the starting lineup on Jan. 13. This is not only his best stretch of the season, but undoubtedly the best stretch of either of his Lakers tenures and one of the best of his career.
However, it has not changed the two biggest obstacles to retaining Russell past the deadline. First, he and Reaves have a level of overlapping strengths and weaknesses that make it difficult to keep them together long term. Second, Russell’s current contract creates something of a lose-lose proposition for the Lakers.
If the Lakers have to move on from one of their lead guards, Russell makes more sense, even with him outplaying Reaves for portions of the season (the beginning, and then more recently). There’s a reason why every team asks for Reaves first: He has more leaguewide value. That perception extends to the Lakers, too, who ultimately value Reaves over Russell. Russell’s heater hasn’t changed that reality, according to team sources.
The second point requires some unpacking. Russell has an $18.7 million player option for next season. That’s a reasonable figure, but it also creates a dilemma. If Russell regresses, he’d likely exercise his player option. If he sustains or even improves his performance, he’ll likely opt out, forcing the Lakers to pay him more money or risk losing him for nothing. A scenario in which he opts in and both sides are happy projects as wishful thinking.
The Russell contract was essentially signed to be traded. That’s why he waived the de facto no-trade clause usually entitled to players on one-year contracts. It’s also why he got a player option on the second season. The Lakers don’t have to trade him, and they might not. But if they do, it’s largely because that’s been the plan since last summer.
Odds D’Angelo Russell is a Laker on Feb. 9? — @ECreates88
I’d put it at around 40 percent, which is higher than I would have as recently as a few weeks ago. I think it’s more likely than not he’s traded by the deadline, but it’s become more of a 50-50 proposition given the rising threshold for the Lakers to move him.
The Lakers view trades in which they move Russell for players like Portland’s Malcolm Brogdon, Washington’s Tyus Jones or Brooklyn’s Spencer Dinwiddie as lateral moves at best, and most likely downgrades, according to team sources. Murray is an exception, as previously stated. The Lakers could also try to plug a couple of holes, taking back two players in a deal (like a point guard and wing) in which they send out Russell. But if the Lakers and Hawks don’t resume talks, or Murray is dealt elsewhere, the odds of Russell remaining a Laker nudge closer to 50/50.
Are the Lakers still keeping Austin Reaves untouchable in trade talks?—@mindsetofbron
In short, yes. But the longer answer is more nuanced. As I outlined last week, Reaves isn’t entirely untouchable. There are players the Lakers would include him in deals to acquire. If they could add a bona fide third star to complement James and Davis – Utah All-Star Lauri Markannen, for example – or multiple high-level starters in a bigger trade, they would consider moving Reaves.
Murray, Zach LaVine, DeMar DeRozan and other players in a similar range don’t fit the criteria. They’re good, but not the season-altering difference-makers the Lakers require to give up Reaves.
Regardless of your opinion of Reaves, he’s outperforming his $12 million salary this season, and the Lakers have him under contract for at least two more seasons for a total of $27 million. He’s on one of the best role-player contracts in the league. The Lakers aren’t going to give him up unless they’re significantly upgrading their roster, with all of the current deals falling short in that regard.
Who’s more likely to be traded: Austin Reaves, D’Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Taurean Prince or Cam Reddish? — @SSBKlutch
In order, I’d rank it: Russell, Hachimura, Prince, Reddish and Reaves.
Russell is obvious. Hachimura is another mid-sized salary that could be moved, though he remains a polarizing player across the league. There are some who are skeptical of his contract — he’s making $15.7 million and has two years, $35.3 million left on his deal — and his hot-shooting playoff performance. Last season’s Western Conference finals run was the best stretch of Hachimura’s career. He’s shown some flashes of being that player this season, but due to a combination of injuries and role fluctuation, he hasn’t consistently been the player he was in April and May.
Prince ($4.5 million) and Reddish ($2.2 million) aren’t making enough money to the centerpieces of a deal, but it’s possible the Lakers include them in a trade for salary-matching purposes. Since Prince is the better player, on an expiring contract and making slightly more money than Reddish, he’s the more likely player to be valued by another team. If the Lakers are moving a minimum contract, Jaxson Hayes would be their preferred throw-in.
Are the Lakers looking at landing both Murray and (Bruce) Brown? —@WITNESSKJ
Yes, but it’s going to be difficult, if not impossible given their limited trade assets. They don’t have enough draft capital, in particular, to land both unless Atlanta or Toronto is especially high on Max Christie or Jalen Hood-Schifino and views one of those players as similar to acquiring a draft pick.
Murray and Brown are the Lakers’ top two trade targets at this moment, according to team and league sources. I think those moves, which add a more athletic and defensive-minded scoring guard and another wing that’s an upgrade over the Prince/Hachimura/Vanderbilt trio, are the types of trades that truly elevate the Lakers’ postseason ceiling and give them a clearer starting and closing lineup.
There are some within the Lakers who believe the team needs to make two moves, not one. I lean more in that direction as well. Murray and Brown is on the ambitious end of potential outcomes. I think looping in one of the Brooklyn wings (Dorian Finney-Smith or Royce O’Neale) is more realistic.
Why are the Lakers prioritizing guard targets when wing play seems to be the more glaring weakness? — @_otbj
This is a great question, because I don’t really understand it myself. To me, a better 3-and-D wing who can replace Prince in the starting lineup and provide the proper blend of shooting, defense and rebounding is the ideal trade target. Those players are hard to find and expensive, but there are some — Brown, Finney-Smith and O’Neale, for example — that are attainable and close to checking all three boxes.
Putting myself in the Lakers’ shoes, one argument you can make is if they’re trading Russell — which they would be in most deals of consequence — they’d need to replace his scoring and playmaking in the backcourt. Reaves hasn’t taken the expected leap as an on-ball playmaker that the team might’ve hoped for by this point this season, though he’s been better than some give him credit for being. Russell’s “superpower” — a term he’s used lately — is his ability to self-create out of pick-and-rolls and isolations.
Therefore, trading Russell without replacing him creates a ballhandling and playmaking hole in your rotation. The Lakers would need another point guard in their rotation — even if it’s merely Brogdon or Jones — at least until Gabe Vincent returns, which remains uncertain. According to team and league sources, Kyle Lowry, who could be available if he’s bought out by Charlotte after being traded there from Miami this week, is one name to watch for the Lakers.
To your point, though, I think the Lakers need to upgrade the Prince/Hachimura/Vanderbilt/Reddish/Christie spot of the rotation to have a real chance against the league’s elite in a seven-game series. Each one of those players comes with at least one notable flaw when playing small forward.
Why are we not using the lineups that got us to the Western Conference finals last year? Why isn’t Rui getting more minutes, especially over Prince? — @Pg_era24
It’s a good question that many people have been wondering.
On the surface, Vanderbilt is a more natural fit alongside Reaves and Russell, helping cover for them defensively and on the defensive glass with his size, length, athleticism and energy. He’s a notably better defender and rebounder than Prince, who is average-to-slightly-above-average in the first category and far-below-average in the second.
Before Thursday’s game, Ham was asked why he hadn’t played last season’s starting lineup more often, and whether its shortcomings in the playoffs had anything to do with the decision.
“Not really, man. I think it’s just the way things have shaken out,” Ham said. “Taurean has been one of our most durable guys. And one of our better 3-point shooters. With LeBron and AD playing the brand of basketball that they play, even this morning, we showed a clip of AD playmaking from the post, and he had three guys around him. And so as much spacing and shooting you can put around them, the better.
“But having said that, it was unfortunate that Vando had to miss the time he missed at the outset of the season. And it’s been a whole entire process getting him back healthy. And now getting him back in the game shape. … Some of the plays he’s making in the passing lanes and deflections, switching on different perimeter threats, interior threats. He’s rounded back into form. So you never know, you just got to take things day by day. At some point, it’s good to know though, that we have that option that we should want to push that button.”
The Lakers were plus-nine in the two minutes the Russell-Reaves-Vanderbilt-James-Davis lineup played against the Bulls. For the season, the grouping has only played 11 minutes together, with the Lakers outscoring their opponents by nine points (meaning the group had an even scoring margin in its previous nine minutes entering Thursday’s contest). That lineup should play more, if only to determine if it can recreate its success from last season.
Do you think there is an under-the-radar deal the Lakers might make? Maybe something nobody is really talking about? — @shel9x
Yes, I think that’s within the realm of possibility, if not likely. Some of the names they’ve been linked to and strongly pursued in the past — Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, Bojan Bogdanović and Kyrie Irving, to name a few — didn’t end up panning out for various reasons.
At the same time, there was noise surrounding the Russell Westbrook trade weeks before that move, with Utah as a known suitor and the deal likely featuring a third team. The only surprise was Minnesota being that third team and Russell going back to the Lakers.
Sometimes, the smoke is just smoke. Sometimes, there is actually fire. We’ll see how much of the chatter around the Lakers was real over the next 13 days.
Who has more trade value to teams: Max Christie or Jalen Hood-Schifino? — @twoweekswithpay
My sense is Christie is more valuable because he’s shown he can be a rotation-caliber wing — albeit one who still needs some seasoning — before the age of 21. Other teams are asking for Christie to be included in trade talks, but the Lakers have been reluctant to part with him.
The Lakers still hold hope with Hood-Schifino’s long-term development and he’s been playing well in the G League, but has yet to flash his potential in NBA play. It doesn’t help that the three players drafted directly behind him —Miami’s Jaime Jaquez Jr., Golden State’s Brandin Podziemski and Houston’s Cam Whitmore — have played so well this season. But the Lakers can’t go back and redraft.
The Lakers could use Hood-Schifino’s skill set, in theory, given their clear need for a backup point guard with Vincent out. He’s been more of a project than expected, but some teams could value him as the equivalent of a late first- or early second-round pick.
Two coaches have been fired midseason, one of which has a better record and standing in their conference. So when is Darvin Ham getting the boot? — @Kingjuliuus
My understanding is that Ham will be safe through the rest of the season. There is always a chance things with the Lakers go haywire, as they nearly did at the beginning of January when the team lost four consecutive games with matchups with the LA Clippers, Phoenix Suns, Oklahoma City Thunder and Dallas Mavericks looming. But the Lakers responded well by winning four of their next six games, including victories over the Clippers, Thunder and Mavericks in impressive fashion. Those results quieted the noise around the performance of the coaching staff.
The Lakers know Ham isn’t a finished product. They believe in his ability to continue to grow, as well as his success in his first season and a half. He helped lead the team to the Western Conference finals after their 2-10 start last season and to the In-Season Tournament championship earlier this season. Of course, coaching is a “What have you done for me lately?” job. The Lakers are playing better, but have hardly made a dent in the standings as they’ve basically treaded water. They need a dominant stretch, at some point, to save their season.
The manner in which the season ends will likely determine if the Lakers feel they need to move in a different direction over the summer. Do they miss the Play-In Tournament? Do they miss the playoffs? Do they lose in the first round? Or, do they win a round as a lower seed? Make the conference finals again? Win it all?
Ham has the support of governor Jeanie Buss and vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka. Those are the two most important decision-makers in the organization. Until that changes, he’s the Lakers’ leader for the foreseeable future.
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Kobe is so missed man.
He’ll live on forever
Still feels unreal that he’s gone. Life is just unfair sometimes.
Rip to my goat
He’ll live on forever
Still feels unreal that he’s gone. Life is just unfair sometimes.
Rip to my goat
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Feel robbed of all the stories and what the future may have brought to him and his family.
RIP Kobe
RIP Kobe
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Cam should take all the time he needs. Come back never.
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somebody tell me why Rui, reaves, jhs/Christie, whatever salary filler, and 3 first rounders isn’t enough for Donovan Mitchell this summer.
I know nba media likes to act like the lakers assets have no value but I’m really struggling to see how that’s a bad deal for Cleveland.
I know nba media likes to act like the lakers assets have no value but I’m really struggling to see how that’s a bad deal for Cleveland.
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This is interesting
The fact that the Lakers are willing to trade their best three point shooter for a defensive minded guard who isnt as good a shooter as Russell lets us know they value defense over three point shooting.
I've said all year the Lakers are desperately missing a Rajon Rondo type of player.
With Murray, LA would get a broad shouldered defensive guard, who can play make, who can penetrate and create, and be a solid team defender just like Rondo.
Who doesn't see the similarities?
#WeAlreadyKnowTheFormula
#NeedOneMoreBig
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Low key the move I've wanted for 2 yrs now.
That would totally empty the clip, though.
Like you and I might have to suit up.
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Low key the move I've wanted for 2 yrs now.
That would totally empty the clip, though.
Like you and I might have to suit up.
Worth it because Mitchell / AD will win the lakers 50 games a year once bron leaves. That’s a solid duo for like 5 years.
Plus it gives you the best chance to win next year for Bron’s last ride.
But it’s funny, the way people talk about the lakers you would swear Rui and reaves have no value
Edit: they can also include murray in the trade package if they do trade for him but then it’s basically murray and reaves for Donovan and I’m not sure what Cleveland would do with garland, reaves and Mitchell.
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Because another team can offer better players than that
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No team can beat 3 unprotected lakers picks. This franchise is a ****show and there’s no telling where those picks can land.
Plus Reaves and Rui have positive value to me. We can talk about Reaves defense all we want but the fact is that it’s a top 5 non rookie/max contract in the league.
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Would have more to do with where Mitchell wants to go than exactly who's in the trade package.
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I’ve heard he’s tied to New York (CAA connection and all) but imo that went out the window when they got Brunson. Brunson has been way too good for them to get off Brunson for Mitchell.
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Think Mitchell goes to the Nets.
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And they have a ton of picks to get the job done. Don’t think they offer bridges though.
Comes down to which picks you prefer and where Mitchell wants to go. He has a player option so he can play the im not re-up’ing here so don’t trade for me card.
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Which is exactly why LAL would have a chance. I can't really see BRK. They had KD, Ky and Harden and there were still Knicks home games at Barclays.
If it ain't NYK, he ain't going back to NY.
If it ain't NYK, he ain't going back to NY.
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ben simmons expiring deal plus all the picks this summer gets it done for bk
