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Dolan would manage to %!%! that up.
let this thread die (NYK)
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Word..He'd convince the NY State government to trade away the rights to the Empire State Building, and a city landmark to be named at a later date
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Statue of Liberty for Brandon Roy's knees. Do it Mitch!!!
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So we're really not make the playoffs now with Monta Ellis going to the Bucks, they were already playing great without Bogut.
Dwight is going to Brooklyn and the Nets will be the talk of NY. Deron and D12
. We made the wrong moves and trades again. We should have had those two. Nets g'd us with the Melo trade, they knew what they were doing. That Deron Williams signing came out of no where.
This is getting worse and worse, anyone think we're cursed? Is there any way we can start a petition for a new owner?
Dwight is going to Brooklyn and the Nets will be the talk of NY. Deron and D12
This is getting worse and worse, anyone think we're cursed? Is there any way we can start a petition for a new owner?
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The Nets wanted Melo..They were just smart enough to have a backup plan if the trade fell through. Let's not act like Deron made the Nets great though. Obviously the Nets don't have the talent of the Knicks roster, but it's not like he got there and added 10-15 wins to their season total. They're still many many games below .500 since Deron got there..His stats overshadow the failure of the team since he arrived.
In terms of this team being cursed, I wouldn't be surprised..It's the Patrick Ewing curse..Dude gave his heart n soul to the franchise and they couldn't just let him retire on his own terms..Instead our D-bag owner decided to send him to Seattle. It's like the Babe Ruth trade, except that Babe Ruth was traded when he was still good
In terms of this team being cursed, I wouldn't be surprised..It's the Patrick Ewing curse..Dude gave his heart n soul to the franchise and they couldn't just let him retire on his own terms..Instead our D-bag owner decided to send him to Seattle. It's like the Babe Ruth trade, except that Babe Ruth was traded when he was still good
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Originally Posted by d5
Jennings and Ellis is probably the fastest back court in the nba. Bucks going for that 8th spot. Your move Knicks
Yeah yo, trading an above-average center for an undersized volume shooter really makes the Bucks a force to be reckoned with!
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Knowing what you know now, you wouldn't have traded for Deron instead of Melo? I would have. Regardless its irrelevant guess I shouldn't have brought it up.
However Deron Williams & Dwight Howard bring a whole other element to the Nets. I have no doubt they would work out. Top 3 PG and the best Center in the game is no joke, they will be good soon and great down the line.
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ok lol...so hire Ewing as a coach then (or sign his son lol)
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Even not knowing what I know now, back then I still would have wanted Deron+Amar'e over Melo+Amar'e..Deron likes to set people up, and Amar'e likes to be set up in terms of scoring. And if Dwight really wanted to play with Deron all along, he would have made it known and the Knicks wouldn't have signed Tyson and just waited on Dwight. However, Dolan is an idiot and he would have given the Jazz way more than the Nets gave up for Deron, and the team would have been just as bad as it is now.
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as long as lebron doesnt win a ring this year then ill be fine.
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jeremy lin for dragic. pretty sure houston wants lin back
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Umm why is there a Dwight Howard Nets shirt on nbastore.comhttp://mstore.nba.com/nba...58953&categoryId=1342654
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Knowing Dolan he'd break contracts with every cable and dish network and Knicks games wouldn't even air in NY
As far as the Nets playing us, they, like us did not know Utah would shop Deron. Some forget that Utah GM was always planning to contact the loser of the Melo sweepstakes. The Utah GM admits that and so did Donnie.
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Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
Knowing Dolan he'd break contracts with every cable and dish network and Knicks games wouldn't even air in NY
As far as the Nets playing us, they, like us did not know Utah would shop Deron. Some forget that Utah GM was always planning to contact the loser of the Melo sweepstakes. The Utah GM admits that and so did Donnie.
I see, I got it confused.
Whatever I'm not a fan of the NJ soon to be Brooklyn Nets about to steal and control the basketball shine in NY. It's depressing.
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It is depressing, especially when I see how smart Dwight is handling this situation not obsessed with extra money for an extension. I mean had Melo been patient, we could've had him for this season and traded for Deron before the deadline instead.
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The Nets Gm had a friend on the jazz front office I think. They didn't want the Melo thing to happen to them and decided to trade him a year early. Plus the Nets gave up bigs and picks. We didn't have either
If we sign Melo in the offseason which was unlikely cause of the lockout and nobody knew what the cap would be. We will suck even worse on defense. Chandler can not sign here
Chandler>>>>>>>>>>>>Gallo,Moz,Felton
If we sign Melo in the offseason which was unlikely cause of the lockout and nobody knew what the cap would be. We will suck even worse on defense. Chandler can not sign here
Chandler>>>>>>>>>>>>Gallo,Moz,Felton
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Not sure if posted yet but apparently D'Antoni has lost this team. Sorry if posted already.
http://espn.go.com/new-yo...r-room-according-sources
After a remarkable Jeremy Lin-led run that made them the toast of the NBA, the Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10 games. There's plenty of blame to go around, but while some within the organization are questioning superstar Carmelo Anthony, most of the fingers are being pointed at head coach Mike D'Antoni, according to several sources close to the situation.
D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.
"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."
D'Antoni is in the last year of a four-year deal and all indications are that he will not be brought back after this season; that is, if he survives the rest of this season. The Knicks are expected to make a run at Phil Jackson, who retired from the Lakers last year with 11 NBA titles.
But the Knicks, losers of six straight games, still have 22 games left to get through this year, and according to numerous sources close to the team, the reeling club is as dysfunctional in the locker room as it is on the court.
In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.
It is lost on no one that the Knicks' free-fall coincides precisely with the return of Anthony. While Anthony was out with a groin injury, the Knicks won 6 of 7 games, including victories over the Los Angeles Lakers and defending champion Dallas Mavericks. With Lin leading D'Antoni's offense, the Knicks played fast and free, spacing the floor, hitting the open man, and even improving defensively.
But the day Anthony returned, the Knicks lost to the struggling New Jersey Nets, starting a sorry stretch that has washed away all the feel-good emotions of Lin's emergence and left them on the verge of missing the playoffs.
Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.
"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."
When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball up court and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.
"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.
Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.
"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."
With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Amare Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.
Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.
Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.
On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D'Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D'Antoni's system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.
Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.
http://espn.go.com/new-yo...r-room-according-sources
After a remarkable Jeremy Lin-led run that made them the toast of the NBA, the Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10 games. There's plenty of blame to go around, but while some within the organization are questioning superstar Carmelo Anthony, most of the fingers are being pointed at head coach Mike D'Antoni, according to several sources close to the situation.
D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.
"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."
D'Antoni is in the last year of a four-year deal and all indications are that he will not be brought back after this season; that is, if he survives the rest of this season. The Knicks are expected to make a run at Phil Jackson, who retired from the Lakers last year with 11 NBA titles.
But the Knicks, losers of six straight games, still have 22 games left to get through this year, and according to numerous sources close to the team, the reeling club is as dysfunctional in the locker room as it is on the court.
In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.
It is lost on no one that the Knicks' free-fall coincides precisely with the return of Anthony. While Anthony was out with a groin injury, the Knicks won 6 of 7 games, including victories over the Los Angeles Lakers and defending champion Dallas Mavericks. With Lin leading D'Antoni's offense, the Knicks played fast and free, spacing the floor, hitting the open man, and even improving defensively.
But the day Anthony returned, the Knicks lost to the struggling New Jersey Nets, starting a sorry stretch that has washed away all the feel-good emotions of Lin's emergence and left them on the verge of missing the playoffs.
Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.
"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."
When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball up court and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.
"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.
Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.
"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."
With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Amare Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.
Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.
Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.
On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D'Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D'Antoni's system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.
Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.
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Realistically speaking, this team would be just as buns if we kept the original guys we traded for Melo.. If we didn't make the trade, Wil Chandler would still be in China, Felton would be playing like garbage due to being overweight (look at him in Portland) and Mozgov would be an average backup center. So it would essentially be Amar'e, Gallo, Felton, Fields, and a few role players. Lin wouldn't be on the team because Douglas would have played decent due to lack of pressure remaining as the backup PG. They probably would have kept Shawne but he would be getting no play due to injury. Knicks aren't a playoff threat in their current state, and they wouldn't be a playoff threat with their old roster.
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The Knicks have given up more points and scored less since Melo has came back.
I never did like Melo's attitude, dude is like a @++@%@ diva.
I never did like Melo's attitude, dude is like a @++@%@ diva.
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it was a mixture or luck and billups breaking down. but we are probbaly better off that melo gutted the team because we ended up with tyson and lin and novak etc
HOWEVER
melo had no issue gutting the team and not knowing what would happen. he was selfish at heart. wanted his money and that was that
HOWEVER
melo had no issue gutting the team and not knowing what would happen. he was selfish at heart. wanted his money and that was that
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Now the team and sources are creating the narrative for Pringles departure. No need for it imo, it's obvious why he should no longer be coaching this team.
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Dolan Advisor Pushing For Trade Of Anthony
Mar 14, 2012 1:15 AM EDT
At least one member of James Dolan's inner circle believes the Knicks should trade Carmelo Anthony for financial reasons.
MSG has seen a significant spike in ticket sales, ratings and merchandise since Jeremy Lin emerged in February.
The Knicks are 2-8 with Anthony back in the lineup.
According to a source, Dolan is not ready to give up on Anthony.
"He said he's not trading anyone," said the source, with direct contact with Dolan. "He said it's up to the coach to figure it out."
Via Frank Isola/New York Daily News
Read more: http://basketball.realgm....Of_Anthony#ixzz1p4E4SllX
We have such a @@%%%$ up organization, it doesnt even make sense.
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It's isola its bs