LOST (GOAT SERIES) OFFICIAL THREAD VOL YOU CAN GO NOW.

[frenchblue23]

Nada EBW.

 

[i wear sneakers]

Vozzek is out

 

[cadillacflow]

Nice write up from Vozzek as usual....

And with that, its time for me to "let go" and "move on". I have nothing else to really say. Thanks again to EVERYONE in the thread. It really made LOST and NT a lot better to me. Looking forward to the extra stuff on the DVD, hopefully the thread comes back in a POSOTIVE way when it does, and gets us talking about LOST again.

See you in another thread, brotha's.

 

[crazy ebw]

Oh well.

Later dudes.

 

[truestt]

Just right click to open the image in a new window it works..

 

[Mark Antony]

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Oh well.

Later dudes.

 

[mangudai954]

Powerful ending, powerful show.

 

[hazat50]

UPDATE: The video of Emerson's interview where he confirms this information is posted on the Media Mentions section of the site for those that want to check it out.

UPDATE: As many fans have pointed out, this epilogue will be available on the COMPLETE COLLECTION not just the Season 6 DVD.

So for those wondering what happened with Ben and Hurley after the Ajira plane takes off, well you are in luck! Apparently there are an additional 12-14 minutes that will be an "epilogue" that will be included on the Season 6 DVD set.

Of course this is a part of ABC's way of making some more money, but at least there is more footage to see. Also some are speculating this is where we will see Walt.

Here is the story from E! Online:

One more reason to love Michael Emerson: He just spilled the goods on an amazing surprise for any Lost fan planning to buy the final, sixth-season DVD. (And trust me, now all of you will be buying it.)

There will be more Lost. There is more to the story, and we will get to see it! Praise Jacob! Or should we say…Hurley?!

“For those people that want to pony up and buy the complete Lost series, there is a bonus feature,

 

[duba169]

ABC is going to release a LOST encyclopedia this August 24, 2010. The List price is $45.00

Product Description
Featuring more than 400 pages and over 1500 images, the LOST Encyclopedia will be a comprehensive guide to the characters, items, locations, plotlines, relationships, and mythologies from all six seasons of the landmark series aired on ABC-TV and produced by ABC Studios. Created in full collaboration with ABC Entertainment and ABC Studios, this will be the first and only fully licensed and comprehensive reference to all things LOST, and it includes a foreword by executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.





so that's why we didn't get any answers! Now they can make even more money off of fans they deceived...

They should name the book "answers we made up that don't matter because everyone eventually dies"

 

[T0INE]

Finally caught up on this thread.

I enjoyed the finale, it wasn't groundbreaking or anything but it was a fitting way to end the show.

Coming into the last season I already resigned myself to the fact that all of the mysteries introduced throughout the first 5 seasons wouldn't be answered, so I decided to just enjoy watching the season rather that concerning myself with what was or wasn't answered.

With that said I understand why some people are aggravated with some mysteries not being revealed because we as Lost fans have been bashed over the heads with these mysteries throughout the series, case in point Walt.

Would I have like to have known why Walt was so special?  

Yes.

Does the show's creators not revealing why Walt was special take away from my enjoyment of the series as a whole?

No.


Honestly I don't see a way Walt's specialness could be explained in Season 6 and still have it fit into the context of the main storyline.

There were certain parts of Season 6 that were hit or miss for me. I loved the Ab Aeterno episode; Richard and his background was one of the island's biggest mysteries and I was satisfied with how they told his story.

The Across the Sea episode was mediocre at best. Given who the main characters were many people (myself included) thought this episode would be a Lost classic but it fell flat. Learning the history of Jacob and MIB, as well as the Smoke Monster was appreciated but overall this episode was weak.

Looking back now, the Temple story arc with Dogen and his men was pointless, and it was obvious in later episodes that Sayid's "sickness" was bogus.

Overall Lost was some of the most compelling television I've ever watched. Great show.

On another note Juliet and Kate (that dress

)  were looking good in finale.

One more thing:

Originally Posted by gottagitdemjs

So it turns out that the writers changed their minds. It originally was all just a dream that Vincent was having. Here's how it really ended.

 
 

 

[nako xl]

I thought some of this was funny



See more funny videos and funny pictures at CollegeHumor.

 

[mronegative]

[h1][/h1]

[h1]WHO CARES IF LOST MADE IT UP AS THEY WENT ALONG?[/h1]

One of the biggest arguments about Lost in the years leading up to the finale was whether or not everything was planned out. I think showrunners Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof were pretty clear that it wasn't; the fact that Mr. Eko left the show and that Ben ended up being a major player and that they were willing to discuss both those things is proof of that. 


Now Cuse has given an exit interview to SciFiWire, and it's riling some folks up all over again. Which raises the question of 'Should showrunners plan everything out in advance?'


The obvious answer is of course not. TV is a longform narrative medium, and it requires a certain amount of freedom. Actors come and go (sometimes even tragically), and storylines unexpectedly hit with the audience or shockingly sink. It's important that a TV show be loose enough to roll with the punches as well as to explore the sudden moments of genius - these two actors have amazing chemistry, so we need to get them together, for instance. To say that a TV show have a complete storyline utterly mapped out to the last detail is silly; even novelists rarely walk into their work with every moment mapped out. Art is about discovery.


Here's how Cuse explains it to SciFiWire: "There was a big, mythic architecture which included a lot of what's in the finale, in terms of where we end the show, that we knew way back in the beginning. And then, before each season, we'd have a writers' mini-camp and spend a month without any pressure of writing other scripts, figuring out the architecture of the upcoming season. That'd sort of take the artists' rendering and turn it into blueprints, and then, during the season, episode by episode, we built the structure. We allowed ourselves a lot of flexibility to change things around as we were doing construction. It was impossible to have everything planned out, and so it was kind of built in stages."


That makes a lot of sense. It's a strong way to create a show like Lost. But why does it feel like this isn't what happened?


The cautionary tale of Lost is, in the end, the same as The X-Files, but to the nth degree. Lost - and Cuse and Lindelof in particular - actively promoted fan speculation and investigation, getting people to pay lots of attention to the details and the way things fit together. But like The X-Files, there was no big, mythic architecture. They literally made it up as they went along. They didn't know what the Smoke Monster was when they introduced it. It seems like they knew there was a hatch in the jungle from day one, but now what was in that hatch. That's a problem. A huge problem.


Storytelling is about building a structure. The structure, in the end, has to be able to hold itself up. It should also, ideally, have a grace to it. There should be symmetry and there should be beauty in that structure. TV storytelling is different from movie storytelling; your movie structure should be tight and compact. Like a novel (or a good video game like Red Dead Redemption), a TV show structure will be more sprawling. Some wings will more or less lead to dead ends, but they should feel worthy of exploration even though they're branching out from the main part of the structure. A good longform TV narrative will be slightly sloppier, but that's part of the beauty. It's why novels are almost always better than their film adaptations; like life itself, story feels better when it has some room to breathe and take tangents.


But any structure has to include some planning. And the reality is that the Lost writers did almost none, and the planning they did seems to have not taken into consideration what they already built. It's almost mind-boggling that they would introduce major elements and not know what they meant. There was no need to have Smokey's final days planned out from episode one, but knowing what the Smoke Monster was - in a most basic way - from its first appearance would have made its actions over the six season run of the show seem less arbitrary. I mean, if Smokey is planning on manipulating the Losties to get off or destroy the island, why would it wantonly kill everybody it met? When Smokey finally showed up in human form, people reacted to him predictably - they hated him and wanted to get away from or destroy him. 


That was the essential problem with The X-Files, that the mythology wasn't being thought out as it was introduced. The writers weren't looking beyond that week's episode, and sometimes weren't even looking into the past to see how the new revelation impacted previous knowledge, or if the new revelation was even compatible with what went before. There's a vocal subset of comic writers who hate the continuity of shared superhero universes, but readers know that half the fun is the continuity, and the same goes for longform TV. If you tell us this a show that has a storyline, we are going to pay attention to that storyline. 


I don't think Damon Lindelof needed to know in season one that the Losties would end up in the 70s. It's like demanding a jazzman knows every note he's going to play all night long. Part of the joy is the improv, the chasing after a thought that catches the artist's fancy. You don't judge these things by how well they're planned, but by how well they're executed. That jazzman needs to bring everything together in a cohesive whole, to figure out how to get that riff back to the main structure of the piece and rejoin the other musicians. And within that riff he needs to understand how the notes work together so that he's not just playing random, cacophonous noise. It's partially a high wire act, but that's the fun, and that's why you go see live jazz. And it's why you watch a longform TV show - not because you're interested in a story so vast it needs 120 hours to tell, but because you like that feeling of fun and surprise  that comes when an artist has the room to improvise. 


And it's about trust. You trust that jazzman is going to understand each note he plays and how it relates to the next, even if you don't think he has the whole bit in his head in advance. And you trust that the writers understand the elements they're introducing, that they're not just sitting in the writer's room playing an elaborate game of Exquisite Corpse: "The main character walks into a room on the space station and sees his dad, who has been dead for 30 years! The end, it's your turn to figure out what happens next." That's a fun game to play, but not as much fun to watch. 


It's not important that a TV show know where it's going from the start. I don't care whether or not the writers knew that Angel would one day run a Wolfram & Hart office when they introduced that evil lawfirm on Angel, I just care that when they made that happen they had some idea of what they wanted to do with it and why the hero's antagonist suddenly wanted him on their side. Just as people get down on George Lucas for not having 14 Star Wars movies planned out in advance, they'll continue being down on Lindelof and Cuse for not having all of Lost mapped out in advance. But those people are wrong on both counts - it's not that Lucas and Lindelof and Cuse didn't have it planned out, it's that they couldn't execute what they set out to do. If the Prequels had been made up on set but had turned out to be the most satisfying story ever told, nobody would give a *%%% that Lucas didn't have a magic ledger with all the details set down in 1975. And if the ending of Lost had worked, nobody would care that Lindelof had no plans for Walt back in 2004.


Basically.

 

[duba169]

yeah that article is perfect

the writers can go on whatever spin job they want. Many people feel deceived by them. have fun trying to keep a faithful audience with your next show. The trust is gone

 

[mronegative]

Originally Posted by DubA169

yeah that article is perfect

the writers can go on whatever spin job they want. Many people feel deceived by them. have fun trying to keep a faithful audience with your next show. The trust is gone

Exactly. That window that Heroes camp was the last time anyone's gonna trust a network mythology show again. Lost shot all of that good will down in short order. People won't let a show skate on a good premise and nice distractions again.

 

[unbornseed]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

Originally Posted by DubA169

yeah that article is perfect

the writers can go on whatever spin job they want. Many people feel deceived by them. have fun trying to keep a faithful audience with your next show. The trust is gone

Exactly. That window that Heroes camp was the last time anyone's gonna trust a network mythology show again. Lost shot all of that good will down in short order. People won't let a show skate on a good premise and nice distractions again.

as seen by FLASH FORWARD being canceled. The show lost its acclaim really quickly with me.

 

[crazy ebw]

Flash Forward was doomed from the beginning.

 

[flatbushfiyah23]

Originally Posted by DubA169

yeah that article is perfect

the writers can go on whatever spin job they want. Many people feel deceived by them. have fun trying to keep a faithful audience with your next show. The trust is gone

Those who feel deceived simply just dont get it IMO.  
I think in America media consuming culture people constantly confuse not getting what they want in a story as being the same as not being good.  I can think of a ton of novels, movies or shows where I wanted something to end a certain way or a certain character to live or something in particular to be explained however those things not happening the way I wanted it to does not cloud my view of what I actually see and the storytelling in front of me. I really believe that some people in this thread along with other LOST fans are not able to appreciate the storytelling in the series for what it is because they did not get what they wanted.  Quite frankly, its sad to me that they just didn't get and I feel sorry that after six seasons they didn't get it or feel cheated (even though nothing was owed to them at all). 

 

[duba169]

nothing was owed to me. and i don't owe the writers anything either. i think what we got is condesending to be honest. And it's shocking to me that people are eating it up. how they handled the show offends me. they got their money and told us to go ##!@ ourselves. they took the easy way out. What they did is not new, intellectual, or artistic. it was a joke. it's been done a bunch of times before in literature and film. I think that we were spoon fed alot of sentimental garbage and that they didn't even attempt at writing one cohesive story.

the whole argument that "it was about the characters" is just funny to me. like you can't do both. like people were making theories on who kate would blow or if claires hair would stop being fuzzy.

it isn't a coincidence that people are pissed about lost but not other fantasies such as harry potter or lord of the rings. lost doesn't follow it's own internal logic. for example why in the world would people working for jacob be kidnapping and killing potential candidates? (the others)


and to be honest when you look at the literature used throughout the series, the writers look even worse. These writers stole so many ideas it's laughable. From The third policemen and the dark tower series in particular.

there are people who hate it and don't get it. Then there are plenty of people who understand exactly what they saw and were pissed.

these people created a +%!+##+ place for specifically them to go to... seriously? that's what lost was about? okay. there are plenty of times stories are ambiguous or i don't get what i want out of it. But i still recognize it as a good piece of work. not lost. no way.

 

[mronegative]

Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Originally Posted by DubA169

yeah that article is perfect

the writers can go on whatever spin job they want. Many people feel deceived by them. have fun trying to keep a faithful audience with your next show. The trust is gone

Those who feel deceived simply just dont get it IMO.  
I think in America media consuming culture people constantly confuse not getting what they want in a story as being the same as not being good.  I can think of a ton of novels, movies or shows where I wanted something to end a certain way or a certain character to live or something in particular to be explained however those things not happening the way I wanted it to does not cloud my view of what I actually see and the storytelling in front of me. I really believe that some people in this thread along with other LOST fans are not able to appreciate the storytelling in the series for what it is because they did not get what they wanted.  Quite frankly, its sad to me that they just didn't get and I feel sorry that after six seasons they didn't get it or feel cheated (even though nothing was owed to them at all). 

At what point did the article, myself or Dub say that we didn't like Lost? I think in this thread people like you constantly confuse criticism and not liking certain aspects of what the show turned out to be as saying the show isn't good. We're the same people who would still put Lost in our top 5 shows of all time. You got some serious conflation issues.

 

[crazy ebw]

Originally Posted by DubA169

 for example why in the world would people working for jacob be kidnapping and killing potential candidates? (the others)

They weren't working for Jacob.

 

[duba169]

An Open Letter To Anyone Who Thought The End Of Lost Was Awesome




Let’s just start from a position of mutual respect, because I mean it when I say that I don’t want any trouble. I’m not here to pick a fight, and I’m not here to assess your intelligence, and I don’t want to call anyone names, though it’s possible that before I’m finished here, I will do all of those things.

But only if you’re asking for it. If you are simply a person who enjoyed Lost right up to Hurley’s Church Jamboree, then I am nothing but happy for you. I am in fact, jealous of you. I wish with all my heart that I felt right now, about Lost, the way you feel. Please, treasure your happiness and joy and satisfaction – I have no interest in taking it away from you.

And by the same token, when I tell you that I, and millions of others, feel enraged and betrayed by the ending, that we are utterly stunned by the forest of unanswered questions, that we expected most if not all of the bizzaro plotlines to converge in a more direct and satisfying way, let’s just agree to disagree.

All I need you to do, is refrain from trying to tell us that we are stupid, or that we don’t “get it.

 

[mronegative]

Thought this was pretty cool.

 

[crazy ebw]

I'll be damned if I read all that. I stopped when dude said "he could do it better"

 

[fallengodofwar]

Did you write that?

 

[whywesteppin]

I guess we have to take Lost for what it is -- they created an imaginary universe with an island as a prop to support their character development and to keep the audience interested. But the actual mythology, coincidences, flashbacks, names, numbers, time travel, mind control, and other stuff was just put in there for the sake of it, more or less.

I think we, the fans, need to give up and let go of this dream we had that everything in the end would tie together, that there would be some amazing hidden reveal in the finale that made everything make sense. In doing so, Lost falls a couple notches, but it's still a great show. Like I said before, it was about the ride, about the 6 seasons and how enthralled we were throughout, and not about what happens in the last 10 minutes of the finale.