NBA Draft Thread 2011

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by heirjordan15

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by Big J 33


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So basically he's a project, just like i thought.

first guy I thought of when I read this
 

Bismack Biyombo

- height: 6'9

- weight: 245

- standing reach: 9'6

Joel Anthony

- height: 6'9

- weight: 245

- standing reach: 9'6

Joel anthony is a terrible rebounder and isn't in the same league athletically, also Bismack is 18 years joel was 25 when he came into the league he will put on weight.

Bismack could end up like Joel if he suddenly forgets how to rebound, and his body stays the same from now till 25 years old. Joel Isn't really a very good comparison.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by heirjordan15

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by Big J 33


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So basically he's a project, just like i thought.

first guy I thought of when I read this
 

Bismack Biyombo

- height: 6'9

- weight: 245

- standing reach: 9'6

Joel Anthony

- height: 6'9

- weight: 245

- standing reach: 9'6

Joel anthony is a terrible rebounder and isn't in the same league athletically, also Bismack is 18 years joel was 25 when he came into the league he will put on weight.

Bismack could end up like Joel if he suddenly forgets how to rebound, and his body stays the same from now till 25 years old. Joel Isn't really a very good comparison.

 

[pmatic]

@SHowardCooper Latest on Valanciunas contract tangle that may cost him draft spots: NBA exec said Sat he was told separate Euro buyout is being negotiated.

@SHowardCooper In that case, Valanciunas could play in Italy if lockout hits, then opt out of the contract when lockout ends. NBA clubs want resolution.

 

[pmatic]

@SHowardCooper Latest on Valanciunas contract tangle that may cost him draft spots: NBA exec said Sat he was told separate Euro buyout is being negotiated.

@SHowardCooper In that case, Valanciunas could play in Italy if lockout hits, then opt out of the contract when lockout ends. NBA clubs want resolution.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

There is nothing that boils my blood then when anyone draws any conclusions based on any workout involving pylons and chairs. 

 

[osh kosh bosh]

There is nothing that boils my blood then when anyone draws any conclusions based on any workout involving pylons and chairs. 

 

[kevin cleveland]

Draft Express best/worst case comparisons:

Irving: Deron Williams/Rich man's Eric Maynor
Williams: Michael Beasley with perfect intangibles/More athletic Antawn Jamison
Knight: Chauncey Billups (in prime)/Louis Williams
Walker: Ty Lawson/Aaron Brooks
Kanter: Kevin Love/Rafael Araujo
Vesely: Andrei Kirilenko/Joe Alexander
Biyombo: 6'9" version of Dwight Howard/Taj Gibson
Fredette: Mike Bibby/Daniel Gibson
Honeycutt: Francisco Garcia/Brandon Bowman
Nogueira: Marcus Camby/Hassan Whiteside

Most of the projected first-rounders have one.

 

[kevin cleveland]

Draft Express best/worst case comparisons:

Irving: Deron Williams/Rich man's Eric Maynor
Williams: Michael Beasley with perfect intangibles/More athletic Antawn Jamison
Knight: Chauncey Billups (in prime)/Louis Williams
Walker: Ty Lawson/Aaron Brooks
Kanter: Kevin Love/Rafael Araujo
Vesely: Andrei Kirilenko/Joe Alexander
Biyombo: 6'9" version of Dwight Howard/Taj Gibson
Fredette: Mike Bibby/Daniel Gibson
Honeycutt: Francisco Garcia/Brandon Bowman
Nogueira: Marcus Camby/Hassan Whiteside

Most of the projected first-rounders have one.

 

[big j 33]

Motiejunas is a great one

Best Case: Pau Gasol
Worst Case: Yi Jianlin

ouch

 

[big j 33]

Motiejunas is a great one

Best Case: Pau Gasol
Worst Case: Yi Jianlin

ouch

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Motiejunas is a great one

Best Case: Pau Gasol
Worst Case: Yi Jianlin

ouch

Andrea Bargnani 2.0, as a post player he's just so much more skilled than Yi was already.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Motiejunas is a great one

Best Case: Pau Gasol
Worst Case: Yi Jianlin

ouch

Andrea Bargnani 2.0, as a post player he's just so much more skilled than Yi was already.

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

You also said since he's 6'9" he couldn't play center.



So what if he's a project? At the worst he's a 6'9", 9'4" standing reach monster who rebounds, hustles, and blocks shots at 18 years old. Even if this wasn't a weak draft that's still an attractive player for plenty of teams.
His measurements from today..

@DraftExpressJonathan Givony

Measurements just handed out here at the EuroCamp. Bismack Biyombo 6-8 w/out shoes, 7-6 wingspan, 9-4 standing reach, 245 lbs, 4.2% body fat

Best case scenario, he turns out like Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard? I doubt it.

No NBA player should be airballing layups, EVER.

And my point with him being a project, is that the Raptors don't need another project big man. They need someone who can play now.

Again, he's not a top 5 pick.

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

You also said since he's 6'9" he couldn't play center.



So what if he's a project? At the worst he's a 6'9", 9'4" standing reach monster who rebounds, hustles, and blocks shots at 18 years old. Even if this wasn't a weak draft that's still an attractive player for plenty of teams.
His measurements from today..

@DraftExpressJonathan Givony

Measurements just handed out here at the EuroCamp. Bismack Biyombo 6-8 w/out shoes, 7-6 wingspan, 9-4 standing reach, 245 lbs, 4.2% body fat

Best case scenario, he turns out like Ben Wallace, Dwight Howard? I doubt it.

No NBA player should be airballing layups, EVER.

And my point with him being a project, is that the Raptors don't need another project big man. They need someone who can play now.

Again, he's not a top 5 pick.

 

[kevin cleveland]

He is as much of a top five pick as anyone else that will be considered from 3-12 or so.

 

[kevin cleveland]

He is as much of a top five pick as anyone else that will be considered from 3-12 or so.

 

[jaeevolution]

I think Biyombo loses a bit of stock after his workouts are done, saw a short video of him today didn't look terrific.

Fumbled a post entry pass, missed easy post shots.

Any team that wants to take him top 10 is looking at a pretty big risk if they aren't looking to develop this young man.
With that said, I hope he goes to the Rockets because the best chance of having him succeed is going to one of the best big man to play Kevin McHale, I am putting a lot of trust that he can turn a lot of these scrub bigs into quality players (Thabeet, Hill, Patterson, Biyombo?) Kevin is a good teacher and I know he will at least try his best to help those guys get going.

 

[jaeevolution]

I think Biyombo loses a bit of stock after his workouts are done, saw a short video of him today didn't look terrific.

Fumbled a post entry pass, missed easy post shots.

Any team that wants to take him top 10 is looking at a pretty big risk if they aren't looking to develop this young man.
With that said, I hope he goes to the Rockets because the best chance of having him succeed is going to one of the best big man to play Kevin McHale, I am putting a lot of trust that he can turn a lot of these scrub bigs into quality players (Thabeet, Hill, Patterson, Biyombo?) Kevin is a good teacher and I know he will at least try his best to help those guys get going.

 

[|A-Man|]

So Jimmer's ceiling is being able to run a high octane offense properly and/or being a key piece to one? I don't see that at all. If anything I'd say his ceiling was a less athletic and slower Monta Ellis with range.

 

[|A-Man|]

So Jimmer's ceiling is being able to run a high octane offense properly and/or being a key piece to one? I don't see that at all. If anything I'd say his ceiling was a less athletic and slower Monta Ellis with range.

 

[kevin cleveland]

at Pat being a "scrub."

 

[kevin cleveland]

at Pat being a "scrub."

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm not entirely sure what a shooting hundreds of jump shots vs a chair has to do with Biyombo's chances of becoming the next Ben Wallace or Dwight Howard.

He's the third best prospect in this class really without question IMO, he is less of a risk then other guys in this class, there is video of him you can see it, on a playoff team, in Europe where he plays heavy minutes. There are reams of statistical info about, him, statistics are complete comparable and better in a lot of ways than Serge Ibaka.

Rebounding and shot blocking are the most translatable statistics in basketball across levels and leagues, if you can rebound and block shots in the ACB you can do it in the NBA, but the other prospects have more glaring holes essential to there future position in the NBA.

I can deal with my shot blocking rebounding center not being able to shoot.

I can't deal with my point guard being a poor decision maker. (Brandon Knight)
I can't deal with my SG having dwarfism. (Kemba Walker)
I can't draft a guy based o 1 game. (Enes Katner)
I can't deal with my wing not being able to shoot, ball handle or guard his position. (Jan Vesley)

If he is available at 5 raps better take him, watch the games, he is not a project on defense and thats all that matters.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm not entirely sure what a shooting hundreds of jump shots vs a chair has to do with Biyombo's chances of becoming the next Ben Wallace or Dwight Howard.

He's the third best prospect in this class really without question IMO, he is less of a risk then other guys in this class, there is video of him you can see it, on a playoff team, in Europe where he plays heavy minutes. There are reams of statistical info about, him, statistics are complete comparable and better in a lot of ways than Serge Ibaka.

Rebounding and shot blocking are the most translatable statistics in basketball across levels and leagues, if you can rebound and block shots in the ACB you can do it in the NBA, but the other prospects have more glaring holes essential to there future position in the NBA.

I can deal with my shot blocking rebounding center not being able to shoot.

I can't deal with my point guard being a poor decision maker. (Brandon Knight)
I can't deal with my SG having dwarfism. (Kemba Walker)
I can't draft a guy based o 1 game. (Enes Katner)
I can't deal with my wing not being able to shoot, ball handle or guard his position. (Jan Vesley)

If he is available at 5 raps better take him, watch the games, he is not a project on defense and thats all that matters.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Serge Ibaka
[table][tr][th=""]Year[/th][th=""]League[/th][th=""]Team[/th][th=""]GP[/th][th=""]Min[/th][th=""]Pts[/th][th=""]FG[/th][th=""]FGA[/th][th=""]FG%[/th][th=""]2Pt[/th][th=""]2PtA[/th][th=""]2P%[/th][th=""]3Pt[/th][th=""]3PtA[/th][th=""]3P%[/th][th=""]FTM[/th][th=""]FTA[/th][th=""]FT%[/th][th=""]Off[/th][th=""]Def[/th][th=""]TOT[/th][th=""]Stls[/th][th=""]Blks[/th][th=""]TOs[/th][/tr][tr][td]2008/09[/td][td]ACB[/td][td]Ricoh Manresa[/td][td]31[/td][td]16.0[/td][td]17.4[/td][td]7.4[/td][td]13.5[/td][td]54.7[/td][td]7.4[/td][td]13.2[/td][td]55.7[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]0.2[/td][td]0.0[/td][td]2.5[/td][td]3.4[/td][td]72.1[/td][td]3.6[/td][td]7.4[/td][td]11.0[/td][td]0.7[/td][td]2.5[/td][td]2.1[/td][/tr][/table]
Bismack Biyombo
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