NBA Off-Season News Thread: Roy extends 80/5, AI to Grizz, Chandler/Okafor swap, Marquis to C's.

[guerrilla warfare]

Orlando racking up on players

Spurs looking good

Marion to Mavericks

don't think it's finna make'em better

Heats should try & get iverson, Not for long term but atleast to please wade & show him dat the origanzation is at least tryin to put pieces around himinstead of not gettin anybody

 

[air max 87]

Signin iverson is not makin the heat contenders.....

 

[bangdak]

that guy has no idea what hes talking about. he just throws the randomest ideas out there, not to mention his horrible grammar.
JA, maybe im wrong, but you have to wait the full 7 days, it doesnt matter if they match or not. maybe im wrong though.
i dont get how you said if gortat gets piad 33mill, they would have to pay 66...? they dont pay luxary tax all at once, they pay by year, or am i missingsomething here..

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by CP1708

NOW everybody starts to believe what's been said about the Blazers FO.

I've only said it about a thousand times, damn.

What are we down too? Lee, Odom, Miller.......who else that matters? Glen Davis......Iverson.......

I've said it for a while too, but nobody would listen to me because they think I'm trying to down other people team.

bigmike

 

[jdb1523]

that guy has no idea what hes talking about. he just throws the randomest ideas out there, not to mention his horrible grammar.
JA, maybe im wrong, but you have to wait the full 7 days, it doesnt matter if they match or not. maybe im wrong though.
i dont get how you said if gortat gets piad 33mill, they would have to pay 66...? they dont pay luxary tax all at once, they pay by year, or am i missing something here..

From my understanding you're only hit with the luxury tax in the amount that you're over it, multiplied by 2. For example, if a team is $10m over thecap, then they would pay $20m in fees. It's not on a contract-by-contract basis, but if a team is already at the cap and wants to sign another player, aguy demanding $10m per is going to cost the team $20m per. And yes, I'm pretty sure it's paid on an annual basis as well.

 

[kiddin like jason]

Channing Frye to Phoenix.

 

[CP1708]

Cavs lookin at Matt Barnes, Lakers, Celtics, Spurs and Magic shake.

 

[CP1708]

Luxury tax is dollar for dollar.

So if you're over 10 mil, you pay 10 mil. The reason people basically double it up is because you are in effect paying the initial 10 mil over the cap tothe player as his salary, and then that same 10 to the NBA for the luxury, making a 10 mil contract worth 20 mil essentially.

 

[jdb1523]

Someone just mentioned on the Cavs board (sarcastically), 'Let's get David Wesley.' What happened to that guy? I know we traded him a fewyears ago but he might as well have been traded to the Bermuda Triangle.

 

[bangdak]

yeah, i know you pay every dollar you go over the lux. tax by, that was what i was saying.
i just didnt get how JA said they were paying 66 mil if gortat gets 33, since your team cant be over luxary tax over every year.

 

[enlightened thought]

^i'm sure that's what teams take into consideration though, if they happen to be over the luxury tax every year, it's best to just take it intoconsideration whether or not you will sign a player.

 

[CP1708]

[h1]NBA free agency's winners and losers[/h1]
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports 1 hour, 5 minutes ago

More From Adrian Wojnarowski





As the rejections and criticisms mounted lately, NBA executives and agents described Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard as "agitated" and "panicked" and even "desperate." He kept returning to teams with the same proposals, only to be dismissed again and again. All his plans had imploded.

Pritchard has long liked to talk about never laying up on the golf course and burning through cell batteries and the way that the Blazers had outworked and outsmarted the NBA. Few have been terribly impressed with how Pritchard handled the highs of the job, and now there are doubts about how he's handling its lows.

After the first 10 days of free agency, so far Pritchard stands as the summer's biggest loser.

Hedo Turkoglu(notes) humiliated him with an 11th-hour dash for Toronto. By then, Trevor Ariza(notes) had already taken the Houston Rockets' money. Pritchard couldn't pry Detroit Pistons forward Tayshaun Prince(notes) nor Chicago Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich(notes). The job wasn't as hard when owner Paul Allen gave him tens of millions of buy up draft picks, but free agency is a far more level playing field. Truth be told, Pritchard has failed.

All this cap space, all these big plans, and Pritchard offered a $34 million offer sheet for Paul Millsap(notes) to play behind LaMarcus Aldridge(notes). They need a small forward, but he refused to make a bid for the most talented one on the market - the Los Angeles Lakers' Lamar Odom(notes).

Odom could've been had for the Blazers, but Pritchard has, for now, committed his money to a backup power forward. He could've dented the Lakers and met his most pressing need with Odom's length, athleticism and versatility.

For every advantage Pritchard had in assembling these Blazers, he's struggling with the next step: managing it all.

Pritchard's greatest gift has been his ability to persuade owner Paul Allen to spend money. Now, Pritchard is struggling to convince Allen to give Brandon Roy(notes) a full five-year max extension. The process has increasingly stunned and angered Roy. Whatever anyone thinks, no one has had more to do with the Blazers' revival than Roy.

Beyond that, Pritchard has a problem with one of the most well-regarded coaches in the NBA: Nate McMillan doesn't want to sign a contract extension. He's tried to explain his desire for one-year contracts as some kind of self-motivational tool, but no one buys it. It's clear that McMillan wants to be a free agent in 2011.

"He knows Portland isn't the last place he'll be," a league source said. "Everyone will want him."

Multiple league sources believe there's a wedge between Pritchard and McMillan, but both general manager and coach have long denied it. Even so, it makes league officials wonder how deeply McMillan believes in his boss' blueprint that he refuses to commit long-term to it.

The rapid rise is over in Portland, and now, Kevin Pritchard has to manage his creation. So far, he's endured the most rugged summer of his executive career. Here's the rest of the losers and winners in free agency.

• David Lee(notes), Trevor Ariza's agent

His tough talk and chest thumping bought his client, Trevor Ariza, a one-way ticket to post-Yao lottery land in Houston - for essentially the same contract the Lakers were willing to pay him. Way to earn your 4 percent, David.

• The New York Knicks

So, what happened to everyone dying to play for Mike D'Antoni in New York? So far, the AARP free agents - Jason Kidd(notes) and Grant Hill(notes) - used New York as leverage for more money in Dallas and Phoenix.

Now, the shrinking 2010 salary cap makes the chances of luring LeBron James(notes) even less likely. James would have to take even less money to go the Knicks, and there's little chance New York will have the room for a second max-out free agent. Without it, New York can forget James.

• Lamar Odom

His agent has been desperately trying to find a sign-and-trade around the league, but there's little there but the Lakers' offer of $7 million per season. Odom had a terrific playoffs and Finals on L.A's championship run, but he has few options to make the Lakers raise their offer. Why has Portland so far sat it out with him? It still makes no sense.

• Tim Duncan(notes)

Spurs executives Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford aggressively remade the Spurs into the Lakers biggest challenger again. Now, Duncan, 32, has a legitimate chance to beat Shaq and Kobe to a fifth championship.

Richard Jefferson(notes) gives the Spurs a younger, more athletic scorer and defender. Antonio McDyess(notes) was the Spurs' top priority in free agency. Perhaps DeJuan Blair's(notes) knees won't last a decade in the NBA, but for a minimal second-round investment he could contribute through what's left of Duncan's window. They just need Manu Ginobili(notes) to be himself again.

Spurs owner Peter Holt has boldly pushed his franchise into the luxury tax for next season, a small-market owner hell-bent on winning another championship.

• Marcin Gortat(notes)

As a 12-minute-a-game center for the Orlando Magic, Gortat scored himself a five-year, $34 million offer sheet from the Dallas Mavericks. Nevertheless, two sources familiar with Orlando's plans believe Magic GM Otis Smith is strongly considering to match the offer and keep the 7-footer.

• Joe Dumars and Bryan Colangelo

This was the summer to get the most out of your money in free agency, and the GMs of the Detroit Pistons and Toronto Raptors understood that waiting for 2010 wasn't the wisest move.

Dumars gets a terrific young core with free agents Ben Gordon(notes) and Charlie Villanueva(notes) and can still use Prince or Richard Hamilton(notes) as chips for a frontline big man. Utah's Carlos Boozer(notes) still lingers as a possibility.

Colangelo stole Turkoglu out of Portland's clutches, and then worked a sign-and-trade with Orlando to spare his mid-level exception. Colangelo won't give up on convincing Chris Bosh(notes) to stay with Toronto.

• Eastern contenders

Despite the bleak economic climate, ownership in Boston, Cleveland and Orlando pushed themselves deep into luxury tax for next season. The arms race in the East escalated with Shaquille O'Neal(notes) to the Cavs, Vince Carter(notes) to the Magic and Rasheed Wallace(notes) to the Celtics. Nevertheless, this has been a summer of the haves and have-nots. Those with a chance to win are going for it, and yet a lot of the NBA is determined to cut costs and spare themselves financial losses.

You guys can send "you were right"'s to CP1708 @ told you so.com.

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Cavs lookin at Matt Barnes.

...this would be a very solid pickup...

 

[Los Angeles]

na

 

[mateen cleaves]

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

Originally Posted by CP1708

Cavs lookin at Matt Barnes.

...this would be a very solid pickup...

i agree, Barnes has had his ups and downs but hes a good player when hes motivated.

 

[i nasmatic i]

Arron Afflalo is rumored to go to Denver.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by BangDak

yeah, i know you pay every dollar you go over the lux. tax by, that was what i was saying.
i just didnt get how JA said they were paying 66 mil if gortat gets 33, since your team cant be over luxary tax over every year.

Paying an extra 33 million over five years for a back-up, that's my point.

 

[travis outlaw]

Originally Posted by CP1708

You guys can send "you were right"'s to CP1708 @ told you so.com.

What a terrible article by Wojo... dude has always had it out for KP for some reason.

Consider me a kool aid drinker if you will...but what has Pritchard REALLY done wrong?

- He made Turkoglu the biggest offer he could. Hedo's wife took a better offer from elsewhere. How is this Pritchard's fault?

- He didn't go after Odom. Well...Odom said repeatedly he didn't want to be here. He wants warm weather. How is that Pritchard's fault?

- He didn't offer Ariza? Big fuccing deal.

- He offered Paul Millsap a bunch of money? Great. Millsap is a stud and has a lot of value. Which brings us to...

- He couldn't get Tayshaun Prince or Kirk Hinrich in a trade? Well...summer has just barely begun. And the Millsap signing may shake Utah's tree hardenough to make them deal with Chicago so we can get our point guard. Either way, we get value. I really don't see how this can be a mistake.

---

From another forum...

"I like how he's viewing the possibility of getting the best free agent on the market this year (not the possibility that Utah will match) as another"disaster."

That's when an article crosses from merely "critical look" to "attempted hit piece."

Also, he gives Pritchard no credit for assembling this roster in the first place. He writes it all off as "a gift for convincing Allen to spendmoney."

Yes, very even-handed.

 

[long beach vincey]

SMH at Portland for signing Millsap to an offer.

 

[japanair21]

I guess Ibaka is coming to the league this year, he signed a contract with the Thunder.

 

[jdb1523]

that guy has no idea what hes talking about. he just throws the randomest ideas out there, not to mention his horrible grammar.
JA, maybe im wrong, but you have to wait the full 7 days, it doesnt matter if they match or not. maybe im wrong though.
i dont get how you said if gortat gets piad 33mill, they would have to pay 66...? they dont pay luxary tax all at once, they pay by year, or am i missing something here..

From my understanding you're only hit with the luxury tax in the amount that you're over it, multiplied by 2. For example, if a team is $10m over the cap, then they would pay $20m in fees. It's not on a contract-by-contract basis, but if a team is already at the cap and wants to sign another player, a guy demanding $10m per is going to cost the team $20m per. And yes, I'm pretty sure it's paid on an annual basis as well.

Ya so I was totally wrong here, sorry to mislead anyone. Myconfusion was with everyone else's, it's essentially the current contract that's doubled because you pay for every dollar over the cap. Sorry guys.

 

[jonfarr]

Originally Posted by Travis Outlaw

Originally Posted by CP1708

You guys can send "you were right"'s to CP1708 @ told you so.com.

What a terrible article by Wojo... dude has always had it out for KP for some reason.

Consider me a kool aid drinker if you will...but what has Pritchard REALLY done wrong?

- He made Turkoglu the biggest offer he could. Hedo's wife took a better offer from elsewhere. How is this Pritchard's fault?

- He didn't go after Odom. Well...Odom said repeatedly he didn't want to be here. He wants warm weather. How is that Pritchard's fault?

- He didn't offer Ariza? Big fuccing deal.

- He offered Paul Millsap a bunch of money? Great. Millsap is a stud and has a lot of value. Which brings us to...

- He couldn't get Tayshaun Prince or Kirk Hinrich in a trade? Well...summer has just barely begun. And the Millsap signing may shake Utah's tree hard enough to make them deal with Chicago so we can get our point guard. Either way, we get value. I really don't see how this can be a mistake.

---

From another forum...

"I like how he's viewing the possibility of getting the best free agent on the market this year (not the possibility that Utah will match) as another "disaster."

That's when an article crosses from merely "critical look" to "attempted hit piece."

Also, he gives Pritchard no credit for assembling this roster in the first place. He writes it all off as "a gift for convincing Allen to spend money."

Yes, very even-handed.

qft. You will just have to understand thqt there are haters out there like this author (who knowlingly dislikes pritchard) and CP and such. I love seeing thehate because it shows Portland is actually becoming relevant again, after that huge Blake eye the last few years were. I don't see how KP can be faultedcompletely for this summer... I don't mind being called a "loser" for not overpaying for hedo. If for some reason the jazz don't match thatoffer, which I highly expect them to do, then we are getting a better playerthan hedo. Paul will be a great addition to the team and will free up pryz for atrade, there are a few teams in need of a center, I would like to see some deal that brings battier to Portland Ina package that involves pryz. Say thathappens a long with Paul, and nobody will be saying this summer was a faliure. Oh, btw, the summer just started... Way too early for "winner andloser" claims...

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by JDB1523

that guy has no idea what hes talking about. he just throws the randomest ideas out there, not to mention his horrible grammar.
JA, maybe im wrong, but you have to wait the full 7 days, it doesnt matter if they match or not. maybe im wrong though.
i dont get how you said if gortat gets piad 33mill, they would have to pay 66...? they dont pay luxary tax all at once, they pay by year, or am i missing something here..

Ya so I was totally wrong here, sorry to mislead anyone. My confusion was with everyone else's, it's essentially the current contract that's doubled because you pay for every dollar over the cap. Sorry guys.

Yeah sorry about that, I put it rather bluntly, so I can see where there can be some confusion.

 

[bangdak]

a pretty damn good backup. def. worth the money imo.

 

[japanair21]

Antonio Harvey said Jarrett Jack could be going to Toronto.