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I'm still trying to figure out how the label "transwoman" has become disrespectful to some. It's a literal description of the person & the process they lived through
NCAA Will Allow Trans Athletes: Lia Thomas Becomes 1st NCAA Transgender Champion
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Why are you emphasizing that there is one woman who can compete with this man?
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Soon as I saw the news on ESPN I knew this joint would get active again, and exactly which posters would be back in here
Have not been disappointed
Have not been disappointed
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What are your thoughts?Soon as I saw the news on ESPN I knew this joint would get active again, and exactly which posters would be back in here
Have not been disappointed
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Based on that post earlier Lia Thomas wasn't even an above average swimmer as a man, switched to woman competition & is constantly top tier.
In my example i'm thinking of a second round/late first round pick in the NBA.... that same man is going to go to the WNBA and most likely dominate.
That isn't disrespect to women ball players, it's highlighting the clear physical advantages men have over women. Those same physical advantages that play a major part in sports.
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because lia thomas' name is in the thread title.. and she is the athlete who competed last night
but i do reference another swimmer who transitioned and was allowed to compete, i just couldnt remember her name
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I mean I'm legit wondering 'why'? Are you saying that become of this one woman who has a better time than Lia it makes Lia's presence in the sport fair? Or because Lia would have placed 3rd in a different year?
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as a man, she was far than "above average"
as a man, she was good enough to swim for a D1 program and did well in the ivy league championships
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it is not just 1 woman who is faster than lia
that 1 woman, ledecky, is significantly faster than lia thomas.. and there are other women who are also faster than lia thomas, as i said above lia is the 16th fastest ever
also as i said above, i'm not sure how i feel about all of this
however, i do think some hyperbolic statements are being made.. like the wilt comment above
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Again i'm basing this off the post above IDK how many swimmers in total but being ranked 500 & then consistently ranking in the top 3 says enough
That would be the equivalent of a G-league player coming into the NBA & becoming an yearly MVP candidate.
I'm not even sure where this convo is going, there is nothing to dispute hear. Men are born with clear physical advantages compared to Women, if you take that man & throw him into a pool of women competitors they are going to perform way better than they did performing against male competition.
but have a good day i'm not trying to get any warnings today & the sirens just went off.
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Soon as I saw the news on ESPN I knew this joint would get active again, and exactly which posters would be back in here
Have not been disappointed
It's Friday. I just want some chaos before the games start.
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Ok so what is your point tho? That it's fair because there are a handful of women who are faster? If another man became a woman and completely dominated the sport, that person would be unfair but lia isn't? Genuinely wondering what you're trying to say
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define "average", please
2 women broke American, U.S. Open, and NCAA records last night, neither was named lia thomas
yes lia won an NCAA title, however lia is the 16th fastest performer in that event
the "average" swimmer is not making a D1 team
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William Thomas was a long distance swimmer, who as Lia, is now participating in sprints. Many also believe that Lia started holding back in races in order to make the obvious, obvious.
We are comparing an Ivy League swimmer’s time to an all time Olympic world record holder. Not your average NCAA swimmer.
Why are Lia’s feelings more important than fairness and equity?
We are comparing an Ivy League swimmer’s time to an all time Olympic world record holder. Not your average NCAA swimmer.
Why are Lia’s feelings more important than fairness and equity?
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that there is more to the conversation
it is not as easy as saying who lia thomas is competing against
we can compare lia thomas last night to lia thomas before transitioning, we can see the 16 seconds difference.. it's math
but far too many people have a habit of belittling women when it comes to conversations on sports, just look at the "wilt" comment above
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People that are for it are likely thinking only of the person transitioning.
People against it are likely thinking of all parties involved.
Those that are for it would have a change of heart if their loved one lost a scholarship or lost a medal to the trans person.
People against it are likely thinking of all parties involved.
Those that are for it would have a change of heart if their loved one lost a scholarship or lost a medal to the trans person.
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AND 15 other women
but another key point to that, america is the only place that swims short course yards
the only time non americans swim short course yards is if they attend US high schools or colleges.. or they specifically swim a meet that is short course yards
olympics and world championships are all meters and mainly long course.. there is a short course world championships for swimming, but that's meters
also, the 500 free, the event lia won last night is far from a sprint
200s in swimming are like the 800 or 1500 in track
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Hmm, I wonder why Iszac still competes against women?
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Yale transgender swimmer Iszac Henig drowns out the noise and is here to swim fast and have a good time
Yale swimmer Iszac Henig knew at 14 that he identified as a boy. He told his mother that he wanted to be her son instead of her daughter, but he wasn’t ready to make that commitment at such a…
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Penn’s Lia Thomas, a transgender female who has undergone hormone treatment for over two years and competes on the women’s swim team, has recorded the top times in the nation this season in the 200 and 500 freestyle. With that has come an outcry from former Olympians and many across the nation who feel that Thomas is not competing fairly.
Thomas and Henig faced off in the 100 freestyle, with Henig winning the race in 49.57 and Thomas finishing sixth in 52.84. During a November meet, Thomas swam the 100 in 49.42. They also competed against each other in the 400 free relay, with Henig’s team winning the event. Henig also set the pool record that day in the 50 free (22.76).
As a result, one of Thomas’ Penn teammates told Outkick she believed Thomas colluded with Henig.
“Looking at [Lia’s] time, I don’t think she was trying,” the anonymous Penn swimmer alleged. “I know they’re friends and I know they were talking before the meet. I think she let her win to prove the point that, ‘Oh see, a female-to-male beat me.
Henig refuted the report and said he only met Thomas in person for the first time at the meet.”
Someone on twitter mentioned Thomas barely kicking at all while swimming, meanwhile every other women using everything possible
Is it Interesting how in 1 mid season meet Thomas could finish 6th but when it’s all on the line coasts to a title?
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Are you thinking of Iszac Henig? Their transition is the opposite, if so.
i thought there was another male transitioning to female, could be wrong..
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I feel its up to the women in said sports to call it fair or not. If they’re ok with, let it rock.
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Thing is That
1) we're dealing with the NCAA we know the last thing they care about is the students
2) A woman who rightfully comes out against this would probably be labeled as hateful & bigoted in today's society
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again, im not sure exactly how i feel about this.. but to your point, i'm not the one being put in the situation
for me, i find way too many people who dont have anywhere near the respect they should for female athletes getting involved in these convos and we've seen it in here already talking about 'wilt numbers'
we havent seen the instance of a transgender athlete coming in and being a serena williams
there were 2 women that broke records last night, neither named lia or thomas
but then you add the medical aspect to the whole thing.. swimming is an olympic sport with the testing that comes with that, there are a crap ton of stuff that youre prohibited from consuming and competing.. russia was not permitted to fly their flag and a number of their swimmers have been caught red handed.. so now we factoring in the hormone treatments for transgender athletes into a sport that monitored testosterone levels of it's athletes
hell, even beyond what is needed medically for the transitioning of transgender athletes.. swimming restricts the swimsuits that can be worn based upon gender, because of the advancements in materials and that it had gotten to the point where everyone to even have a chance were wearing full body suits
