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It's so foul to talk down on those who dont believe in the value of an engagement ring, yet is cool to clown and question those who do, wether if it's tradition or whatever, the hypocrisy is mind blowing.
NEW TREND...ENGAGEMENT WATCHES...CHICKS'S GET RINGS...WE GET WATCHES
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I had no idea what it was called....bought the diamond...and then picked out a setting based on the style that I knew she liked. It was perfect for her, since the center diamond doesn't stick out too much like a lot of engagement rings
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sillyputty
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Yes.
Exactly.
Some like to say I'm a contrarian...which is not true. It is funny because many of those same people have opinions I agree with from time to time.
OK, well just admit that you commit to vapid "traditions" that lack any sort of literal meaning or benefit.Originally Posted by ksteezy
Now I feel, you are just trollin....
@ "try harder"
My dude I have no need for your approval...with all respect to the time you spend trying to expose me or anyone else, I am done.
Thats my point.
I wonder why you all think that standards and "traditions" can't be challenged. We've come a long ways since the days of Victorian societies and their gender associations, for example.
In some countries people trade goats and textiles for marriage. I'm sure that trade is a LITTLE more practical than a gold ring.
Ya'll have to stop seeing your "traditions" as infallible and universal sources of ways to live.
Once you recognize how empty the traditions of other people are, you start to see the faults in your own.
I agree with ShoeFreakBaby...Originally Posted by lfuqua3
All I'm saying is, try these big internet ideas when you get a little older and in real life and see how well it goes over. Hell, pm me and I'll fly out, record it, and pay for the engagement crock potOriginally Posted by shoefreakbaby
There would be nothing wrong with if thats what you wanted to do.
You're doing it for a certain reason and it has meaning.
Our lives are so generic, everything we do, we do it just cause the last person did it.
Im generic as heck, but when it comes to money Im cheap so thats where I look to be different.
If you want to live life following every single tradition that is fine,
but dont look down on the next person who decides to be original.
You do it because you were told to do it.
Lets reverse time and the rule was" Buy a necklace"
or with earrings..With your example,
"buying a household product they dont have and pop the question"
You would do it, no questions asked.
You wouldn't see it as wrong because it would have been the norm.
But all of this is meaningless when it comes to what marriage is truly about.
Its funny you call these "internet ideas" only because you refuse to challenge things that you KNOW are devoid of any literal meaning yourself.
You're just complacent with accepting things because other people do them, without actually taking the time to validate WHY you do these things.
Well then you have no right to tell cultures that stone rape VICTIMS, or forcibly circumcise teenage boys that they're in the wrong.
And yes, I AM clowning you.
You have admitted that you are willing to support a tradition that you KNOW was created out of a marketing scheme; that you KNOW was done to influence women to be materialistic; that you KNOW puts people into unnecessary det; and that you KNOW essentially means NOTHING...
Yet you willingly submit to it because you don't want to speak out against it.
In my eyes, that makes you either impotent and/or ignorant.
Impotent for your inability to speak out against things you know make no sense and have no literal meaning.
Ignorant for your refusal to be consistent with your knowledge of history behind meaningless rituals and traditions
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This thread, I'm sure, has not gone the way the OP had envisioned but I digress.
I recently purchased an engagement ring and proposed to my girl of 8 years, so I figured I'd chime in on some of the statements made.
My fiancé is not a materialistic person; however, I knew that giving her a ring in the traditional manner would make her very happy. To me – that’s what it’s all about, making her happy. It brought me joy to see her tears of joy. Tears of joy for the commitment we’re making to one another – not for the ring on her finger. Yes, I’m sure she showed the ring off to her girlfriends – who cares. Haven’t we all showed off our new toys to someone?
I had no problem with getting her a ring, within my means, as a symbol that I want her as my wife. If my fiancé wanted to get me a wrist watch with similar meaning, so be it. I would gladly accept it because of the meaning behind the exchange, not the value of the item.
Like many of said, a lot of you are just going against the grain for the sake of it. I don’t understand how anyone can look down upon or question the decisions one makes with their spouse or spouse-to-be. If it's not for you, keep it moving. Stop with the name-calling and belittling, seriously.
I recently purchased an engagement ring and proposed to my girl of 8 years, so I figured I'd chime in on some of the statements made.
My fiancé is not a materialistic person; however, I knew that giving her a ring in the traditional manner would make her very happy. To me – that’s what it’s all about, making her happy. It brought me joy to see her tears of joy. Tears of joy for the commitment we’re making to one another – not for the ring on her finger. Yes, I’m sure she showed the ring off to her girlfriends – who cares. Haven’t we all showed off our new toys to someone?
I had no problem with getting her a ring, within my means, as a symbol that I want her as my wife. If my fiancé wanted to get me a wrist watch with similar meaning, so be it. I would gladly accept it because of the meaning behind the exchange, not the value of the item.
Like many of said, a lot of you are just going against the grain for the sake of it. I don’t understand how anyone can look down upon or question the decisions one makes with their spouse or spouse-to-be. If it's not for you, keep it moving. Stop with the name-calling and belittling, seriously.
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Someone gets it!
And don't even try to say your girl isn't materialistic, doesn't care about the ring, blah blah *+!+%#*+. She does. Every girl does. Buy what you can afford. Plus a little extra. If you're bringing in $80k a year, you better not be going to Zales and buying some $800 1/2 carat ring. Show her you care. And just as important, show the people around her you care.
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Let me ask ya'll an honest question:
If buying women rings weren't so FORCEFULLY INGRAINED in western/first-world culture, what would you all substitute it with, if anything, to give to the women in your lives?
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Wow. You just took the whole "not buying rings for girls" argument and turned it into a "use the amount of money you drop to determine how much you care".
I guess I really don't care about my parents, cause when I got my first paycheck I took them to an Italian restaurant where the bill ran $60 for all of us instead of taking them to the steakhouse down the highway where tabs are $60 a person. I was only making $8/hr but hey, the NERVE of me to even think about taking them anywhere less than the greatest!
It's clear I don't give a crap about them. Forget about the fact that we even enjoyed dinner together. I had the balls to take them to a place I could afford to celebrate my first bit of income.
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Again, what does the price tag have to do with the amount of care that is present? Stop relating the two.
And the underlined portion goes with what I have been saying. The reason people buy/want nice rings is to show off. It is not a testament to how much love is present.
And why is 80K the salary of choice here? That is like the 2nd time someone else mentioned that figure. I know it is an example.
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lol @ all ya'll doing this...
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must not have seen Pulp Fiction; my man Butch went hard for that watch !
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Maybe something that actually has a life. A soul. A tree, plant, animal, something that actually has a living breathing spirit. Or maybe nothing.
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blame the romans. Historically, women would get nose rings and be happy.
I just can't wrap my head around a ring being a symbol of worth to women. Because I buy you a diamond it somehow defines your worth? Why can't me just staying with you define your worth?
Married couples find work spouses who only care about the attention that no longer exists in their marriages, but hey, you got a ring on your finger so WE LOVE EACH OTHER SOOO MUCH.
I just can't wrap my head around a ring being a symbol of worth to women. Because I buy you a diamond it somehow defines your worth? Why can't me just staying with you define your worth?
Married couples find work spouses who only care about the attention that no longer exists in their marriages, but hey, you got a ring on your finger so WE LOVE EACH OTHER SOOO MUCH.
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Silly quote me where I criticized what other culture believe in, I'll wait. This dude...
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Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Again, what does the price tag have to do with the amount of care that is present? Stop relating the two.
And the underlined portion goes with what I have been saying. The reason people buy/want nice rings is to show off. It is not a testament to how much love is present.
And why is 80K the salary of choice here? That is like the 2nd time someone else mentioned that figure. I know it is an example.
Whatever you choose to believe the reason behind it is, Bottomline if it's gonna make the woman you love happy, secure, important...then what is the problem??Since when is the idea of material things bringing happiness to people a new idea or even a taboo? Say you get a break tomorrow and had a million in your bank account, you wouldn't hook mom up with a nice house even if she already has one?...or a better car?...seems like you guys choose to lock in discrediting the idea of a ring, but like Hank said earlier in the thread, where are you guys at when dudes are blowing tons of money on cars in the car thread, or 800$ on a chair to post in the bachelor thread...or do those things have an actual meaning to you guys?
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No one is saying don't buy your loved ones anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DC is arguing against the use of expensive and valuable materials to profess your love to your loved ones. Silly is against the illogical practice of giving someone a ring. Not a single person in this thread said they weren't going to buy their significant other anything. The people you're talking about are saying that they don't want to spend THEIR money on a GIFT for someone else that they find USELESS.
There are so many straw mans being drawn up it's not even funny. You guys just love to twist words and imagine things that we never said, just to make it easier for you to bash our point. Please, show me where anyone said they wouldn't hook their parents or wives or even friends up with a nice car, or a house. We said we weren't going to hook them up with a RING (I mean I said I would, but a cheaper one), and not an expensive one at that.
I know what Hank said. Did you even read our conversation? What's wrong with US spending OUR money on things WE like for OURSELVES? For that matter, what's wrong with US choosing what gifts we want to GIVE other people that we paid for with OUR MONEY?
If I came up on some money, I'd buy my mom a house. I'll buy her a car. Same goes for any loved ones. Guess what? I'm NOT going to buy anyone a mansion or a penthouse, and I'm NOT going to buy anyone a Ferrari. I trust that the people I deal with know that a Subaru instead of a Ferrari doesn't insinuate that I don't love them as much.
Is a cheap ring that I can get at Walmart not going to make my girl feel "happy, secure, important"? If so, please explain to me how one from Kay's that costs 100 times as much gives her those feelings.
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Originally Posted by sillyputty
gif literally made me LOL
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I'm traditional so nay on this idea from me.
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I cannot lie, that gif had me rolling as well.
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SC - in not bashing anyone! And please take your own advice and read my posts, I never said go blow 3 mints salary on the ring, YOU GET WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD...bashing is what your peeps are doing, I'm not against people spending their money as they see fit!...hold up mirror to exactly what you just said, please...that's the only way itll make sense.
I never said the amount of money spent on the ring equates how much you love her, you get what you can afford...but the whole argument here is about you guys having a problem with material things representing love, that is nothing new, as a kid you got material gifts during Xmas which brought you happiness, as an adult you bought yourself your own car which made you happy, as you make more money you will probably buy your mother material things which in turn will make her happy, as you meet the woman you want to committ to, you know she'll want a ring (most women do, not all) all of a sudden the idea of giving something material to make them happy stops....if you've never bought anyone anything with the intent of putting a smile on their face, then I understand where you are coming from, from DCs previous post I wouldn't be surprised if that's his case though....I think if son could walk outside naked he would
I never said the amount of money spent on the ring equates how much you love her, you get what you can afford...but the whole argument here is about you guys having a problem with material things representing love, that is nothing new, as a kid you got material gifts during Xmas which brought you happiness, as an adult you bought yourself your own car which made you happy, as you make more money you will probably buy your mother material things which in turn will make her happy, as you meet the woman you want to committ to, you know she'll want a ring (most women do, not all) all of a sudden the idea of giving something material to make them happy stops....if you've never bought anyone anything with the intent of putting a smile on their face, then I understand where you are coming from, from DCs previous post I wouldn't be surprised if that's his case though....I think if son could walk outside naked he would
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Yup hers is very similar, except her setting has 3 smaller diamond on each end...I personally like yours better, seems more elegant and I think my wife would have too, I took her best friend with me...and she influenced my choice....I also didnt get a solitaire because of the same issue, the setting is just too high and couldn't picture her going into her pockets with it...lol
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I shook my head the same exact way to those comments.Originally Posted by sillyputty
Let me ask ya'll an honest question:
If buying women rings weren't so FORCEFULLY INGRAINED in western/first-world culture, what would you all substitute it with, if anything, to give to the women in your lives?
You guys keep saying we are going against the grain, and that we are bashing you but you say comments like "better not be going to Zales and buying some $800 1/2 carat ring. Show her you care."
You basically saying, if you don't break bread you don't love them. Thats not true. Thats what we're tryna say.
Care doesn't equal money spent.
show the ppl around her you care.
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KSteezy, stop putting words in my mouth. Again, my issue is people RELATING the ring/ring size/ring price to the amount of love/care that a man has for a woman. Nothing further. For the 10th time, I never said I am not going to do it (if that time comes) I simply said it will pain me to do it.
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Ight cool bro, so we on the same page, I don't feel the amount of money spent represents the amount of love you have for her....however the more money I make the more I would be inclined to spending, that's just me....but yes YOU ARE RIGHT.
