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You could get Upton for Nimmo, Cechinni and a combo of Montero/Dilson/Dom Smith. 3 or 4 of those guys gets the deal done. But you gotta extend Upton, he's worth paying. 27, good hitter, good guy, he's who we need.
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I'd do Montero and Dilson. I like Nimmo,Dom and Gavin. With the few good position prospects we have, I wouldn't want to trade them away for a streaky hitter like Justin.
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They're going to want more than an injured Montero and a raw Herrera. It's gonna take two of those guys you don't want to give up plus one of the others. We have a chance to win a World Series this year, gotta make a move if those are the guys needed to add a big bat.
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It's uptons contract yr. Added motivation. Get this done sandy
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While this staff is great, prime years are short, I'm never a fan of giving starting pitchers entering 30+ 7 year deals, better off letting them walk.
If Sandy has shown us anything the past few years, it's how patient he is. He tries to get the most he can in any deal.
d'Arnaud needs to come back ans hopefully stay healthy, who knows what we'll see out of Wright. Let Duda/Cuddy platoon first and find an outfielder.
If Sandy has shown us anything the past few years, it's how patient he is. He tries to get the most he can in any deal.
d'Arnaud needs to come back ans hopefully stay healthy, who knows what we'll see out of Wright. Let Duda/Cuddy platoon first and find an outfielder.
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Gavin Cecchini is my favorite Met prospect right now. If getting Justin Upton gives us a better chance to win the World Series now, then I am willing to give up Gavin.
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You might be able to keep Cecchini if the Cubs deal Castro or another SS for Shields. Just figured if they didn't get a SS in another deal, they'd ask for one here since the Padres have 0 prospects at that position currently. We also have Amed Rosario (SS) in A ball but with his age and ceiling, he may be untouchable for now.
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I wrote this article on how we can legitimize this offense without devastating our future:
http://g42sports.com/an-unlikely-power-move-for-the-new-york-mets/
http://g42sports.com/an-unlikely-power-move-for-the-new-york-mets/
The New York Mets desperately need offense. Everyone in the world knows this crop of position players are not capable of doing anything in October—if the Mets even make it that far.
While New York possesses one of the best pitching staffs in baseball, the offense is an anemic accoutrement full of incompetent hitters who don’t know what winning baseball is. Juan Lagares is the only 4 WAR position player on the roster and even he is struggling this year, whether it’s because of an injury or not, remains to be seen.
The Mets may be notorious for their wait and see approach. Why rush things, why push to make a splash today when maybe things fall into place in the future? While the pitching staff is young and under team control for at least three years, each pitcher, aside from Noah Syndergaard has undergone Tommy John surgery.
New York has one of the hardest throwing staffs in baseball, each pitcher—not counting Bartolo Colon and Jon Niese—is capable of sitting at 96 mph or higher. Power pitching is great, but it does have its price when factoring repaired UCL ligaments and iffy mechanics. Matt Harvey does the dreaded Power T which garners more velocity, but results in his arm being late when his foot is planted, putting stress on his elbow and shoulder. Jacob deGrom shows the ball to centerfield, which is another risky trick that boosts velo but adds unnecessary stress to the arm. Thor, his arm action is a little funky and it remains to be seen how much longevity he possesses. Steven Matz has the cleanest mechanics of the bunch, but he’s sidelined with a torn lat muscle. Zack Wheeler…his inverted arm action doesn’t project to give him much of a career, unfortunately. This isn’t meant to be a fear mongering piece, but rather, a rationale for why the Mets must go all in today rather than hoping for the future to play out peacefully.
While these guys may stay healthy and throw 95+ for the next decade, anything can happen, and in theory, their arms are ticking time bombs because of the mechanical flaws and repaired UCL’s. It would be dreadful if the Mets let this season slip away from them and in the future, the franchise never has each of these starters fully healthy and ready to torture their opponents.
Two moves can be made that label the Mets as serious contenders and should be enough to catapult them from fringe Wild Card team to a legitimate World Series candidate.
Justin Upton
Justin Upton is a big slugger who is only 27 years old. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the year and the dreadful San Diego Padres should be open to moving him in order to salvage the way they decimated their farm system in the offseason.
Upton has hit a little bit of a snide of late, but he’s been battling a sore oblique. When healthy, he’s a guy who can hit .280 or better, launch 25-30 homeruns and drive in 100 runs while stealing 20 bases potentially. He can have strikeout woes at times, but overall, he’s the slugger the Mets need to help legitimize the offense and relieve pressure from Lucas Duda.
The Padres have holes across their entire lineup. They severely lack a short stop, second base is weak, third base is miserable, centerfield is nonexistent, right field looks like an overpaid mess. The Mets have the means to fill some of these holes without impacting New York negatively. Everyone thinks in order to land a big bat, trading one of the core five pitchers is necessary, but that isn’t the case.
In order to get Upton, who is a rental—unless the dreaded Wilpons decide to do the right thing and pay him—trading three or four second tier prospects should be enough to acquire him. A package of Brandon Nimmo, Rafael Montero and Dilson Herrera could be a good starting point. The Padres may ask for Gavin Cecchini as well, depending on whether or not James Shields is traded to the Chicago Cubs for Starlin Castro or another shortstop.
New York would be wise to deal those three or four players for Upton and re-sign him at the end of the year, giving them the much needed slugger in left field who can generate a 4 WAR or better each season—who is also still in his prime as a 27 year old. Acquiring Upton would strengthen the Mets bench and allow Michael Cuddyer to platoon with Lucas Duda and occasionally Curtis Granderson.
Carlos Gomez
Juan Lagares is a great fielder, he’s signed to a team friendly contract, he’s only 26 years old, but he isn’t Carlos Gomez. Gomez is under team control for a reasonable price for the next 1.5 years. As talented as Lagares is, he’ll probably never provide the impact that Gomez offers.
Gomez is a true five-tool player. He can hit for average, power, field very well, steal bases and throw runners out. He can slot in as the Mets lead off hitter, moving Granderson into the two-hole, and he can be the spark plug needed to electrify this lackadaisical bunch.
The Milwaukee Brewers are in the dumps and Gomez will be moved at the trade deadline or the winter meetings. It would be very wise for the Mets to push for him and add him alongside Upton for the stretch run this year. Although he’s a tremendous player, he won’t paralyze the franchise in order to acquire him.
Sure, the Brewers would want one of the power arms, but they’d be willing to settle on a package that doesn’t include Matz or Thor. They may even be willing to gamble on Zack Wheeler. So there’s two scenarios in play here. The Mets deal Lagares, Dominic Smith, Jhoan Urena and Michael Fulmer for Gomez. Or, the Mets send Lagares, Wheeler and maybe Fulmer or Gabriel Ynoa to the Brewers.
These moves would deplete the Mets farm system somewhat, but none of the players being traded are capable of contributing before 2017 so it isn’t something that can seem catastrophic when factoring in the World Series possibilities that Upton and Gomez give the team.
Wheeler is a tremendous talent, but his mechanics don’t give him the best chance to maximize his potential, plus he hasn’t even started throwing yet so who knows how his recovery goes. Smith hasn’t shown any power in the minors and may project to be more of a James Loney type of player. Urena could become a very good pro, but he’s two to three years away. And Fulmer profiles as the next Joba Chamberlain. The Brewers would get a bunch of solid young talent who should help the franchise rebuild— it’s potentially one of the fairest deals for both sides out there.
Likelihood
Unfortunately for Mets fans, the front office rarely makes power moves as such, but these are two scenarios that rebuild the team without mortgaging its future. Thor, Matz, Kevin Plawecki and Michael Conforto get to stay put, and two monster veteran bats are plugged in to legitimize this franchise.
Wheeler is talented, he’s got great stuff, but with his mechanics and recent surgery, he’s honestly a wild card who may never be who many expected him to become. If he’s needed to land Gomez, he needs to be included in the deal. Regardless of how talented Lagares is, he just isn’t ever going to be as good as Gomez.
The Mets desperately need offense and these power moves solve their woes and position the franchise to make the World Series run fans desire. These two trades would electrify the fanbase and will lead to Citi Field selling out every game from now until the last game that is played. No one will be able to fault the Mets for making these two moves, especially if New York managed to pull this off without surrendering Matz, Thor or Conforto. These are realistic scenarios that need to play out in order to turn this franchise into a World Series team.
While New York possesses one of the best pitching staffs in baseball, the offense is an anemic accoutrement full of incompetent hitters who don’t know what winning baseball is. Juan Lagares is the only 4 WAR position player on the roster and even he is struggling this year, whether it’s because of an injury or not, remains to be seen.
The Mets may be notorious for their wait and see approach. Why rush things, why push to make a splash today when maybe things fall into place in the future? While the pitching staff is young and under team control for at least three years, each pitcher, aside from Noah Syndergaard has undergone Tommy John surgery.
New York has one of the hardest throwing staffs in baseball, each pitcher—not counting Bartolo Colon and Jon Niese—is capable of sitting at 96 mph or higher. Power pitching is great, but it does have its price when factoring repaired UCL ligaments and iffy mechanics. Matt Harvey does the dreaded Power T which garners more velocity, but results in his arm being late when his foot is planted, putting stress on his elbow and shoulder. Jacob deGrom shows the ball to centerfield, which is another risky trick that boosts velo but adds unnecessary stress to the arm. Thor, his arm action is a little funky and it remains to be seen how much longevity he possesses. Steven Matz has the cleanest mechanics of the bunch, but he’s sidelined with a torn lat muscle. Zack Wheeler…his inverted arm action doesn’t project to give him much of a career, unfortunately. This isn’t meant to be a fear mongering piece, but rather, a rationale for why the Mets must go all in today rather than hoping for the future to play out peacefully.
While these guys may stay healthy and throw 95+ for the next decade, anything can happen, and in theory, their arms are ticking time bombs because of the mechanical flaws and repaired UCL’s. It would be dreadful if the Mets let this season slip away from them and in the future, the franchise never has each of these starters fully healthy and ready to torture their opponents.
Two moves can be made that label the Mets as serious contenders and should be enough to catapult them from fringe Wild Card team to a legitimate World Series candidate.
Justin Upton
Justin Upton is a big slugger who is only 27 years old. He’ll be a free agent at the end of the year and the dreadful San Diego Padres should be open to moving him in order to salvage the way they decimated their farm system in the offseason.
Upton has hit a little bit of a snide of late, but he’s been battling a sore oblique. When healthy, he’s a guy who can hit .280 or better, launch 25-30 homeruns and drive in 100 runs while stealing 20 bases potentially. He can have strikeout woes at times, but overall, he’s the slugger the Mets need to help legitimize the offense and relieve pressure from Lucas Duda.
The Padres have holes across their entire lineup. They severely lack a short stop, second base is weak, third base is miserable, centerfield is nonexistent, right field looks like an overpaid mess. The Mets have the means to fill some of these holes without impacting New York negatively. Everyone thinks in order to land a big bat, trading one of the core five pitchers is necessary, but that isn’t the case.
In order to get Upton, who is a rental—unless the dreaded Wilpons decide to do the right thing and pay him—trading three or four second tier prospects should be enough to acquire him. A package of Brandon Nimmo, Rafael Montero and Dilson Herrera could be a good starting point. The Padres may ask for Gavin Cecchini as well, depending on whether or not James Shields is traded to the Chicago Cubs for Starlin Castro or another shortstop.
New York would be wise to deal those three or four players for Upton and re-sign him at the end of the year, giving them the much needed slugger in left field who can generate a 4 WAR or better each season—who is also still in his prime as a 27 year old. Acquiring Upton would strengthen the Mets bench and allow Michael Cuddyer to platoon with Lucas Duda and occasionally Curtis Granderson.
Carlos Gomez
Juan Lagares is a great fielder, he’s signed to a team friendly contract, he’s only 26 years old, but he isn’t Carlos Gomez. Gomez is under team control for a reasonable price for the next 1.5 years. As talented as Lagares is, he’ll probably never provide the impact that Gomez offers.
Gomez is a true five-tool player. He can hit for average, power, field very well, steal bases and throw runners out. He can slot in as the Mets lead off hitter, moving Granderson into the two-hole, and he can be the spark plug needed to electrify this lackadaisical bunch.
The Milwaukee Brewers are in the dumps and Gomez will be moved at the trade deadline or the winter meetings. It would be very wise for the Mets to push for him and add him alongside Upton for the stretch run this year. Although he’s a tremendous player, he won’t paralyze the franchise in order to acquire him.
Sure, the Brewers would want one of the power arms, but they’d be willing to settle on a package that doesn’t include Matz or Thor. They may even be willing to gamble on Zack Wheeler. So there’s two scenarios in play here. The Mets deal Lagares, Dominic Smith, Jhoan Urena and Michael Fulmer for Gomez. Or, the Mets send Lagares, Wheeler and maybe Fulmer or Gabriel Ynoa to the Brewers.
These moves would deplete the Mets farm system somewhat, but none of the players being traded are capable of contributing before 2017 so it isn’t something that can seem catastrophic when factoring in the World Series possibilities that Upton and Gomez give the team.
Wheeler is a tremendous talent, but his mechanics don’t give him the best chance to maximize his potential, plus he hasn’t even started throwing yet so who knows how his recovery goes. Smith hasn’t shown any power in the minors and may project to be more of a James Loney type of player. Urena could become a very good pro, but he’s two to three years away. And Fulmer profiles as the next Joba Chamberlain. The Brewers would get a bunch of solid young talent who should help the franchise rebuild— it’s potentially one of the fairest deals for both sides out there.
Likelihood
Unfortunately for Mets fans, the front office rarely makes power moves as such, but these are two scenarios that rebuild the team without mortgaging its future. Thor, Matz, Kevin Plawecki and Michael Conforto get to stay put, and two monster veteran bats are plugged in to legitimize this franchise.
Wheeler is talented, he’s got great stuff, but with his mechanics and recent surgery, he’s honestly a wild card who may never be who many expected him to become. If he’s needed to land Gomez, he needs to be included in the deal. Regardless of how talented Lagares is, he just isn’t ever going to be as good as Gomez.
The Mets desperately need offense and these power moves solve their woes and position the franchise to make the World Series run fans desire. These two trades would electrify the fanbase and will lead to Citi Field selling out every game from now until the last game that is played. No one will be able to fault the Mets for making these two moves, especially if New York managed to pull this off without surrendering Matz, Thor or Conforto. These are realistic scenarios that need to play out in order to turn this franchise into a World Series team.
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is gomez that much of an upgrade from lagares that you would give up on him? I'd deal wheeler to get upton as well. if pads are willing
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Yes. Gomez can give you 20 and 80. Lagares will never get to that level.
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game 7 of the world series at citi field
who gets the ball, deGrom or Harvey?
who gets the ball, deGrom or Harvey?
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whoever has the hot hand. I'd start with degrom and relief w/ havey lol
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Good read, JRS.
I think Thor will be okay. He's pretty very tall. Sure, his pitching mechanic is looking funny but he doesn't put any pressure on his arm. It's a good sign.
I would love to have Gomez back only if his price is reasonable.
I think Thor will be okay. He's pretty very tall. Sure, his pitching mechanic is looking funny but he doesn't put any pressure on his arm. It's a good sign.
I would love to have Gomez back only if his price is reasonable.
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I'd love to see any one of those two deals be made, but like you said, they'll never happen. I know you said Gomez contract is friendly, which I'm sure it is for another MLB team, but not the mets. No way are they gonna add salary. I would be shocked if they did. I think they are also a little gun shy considering all the bad contracts the''ve doled out over the years. I hope they do do something.
Btw love your work JRS. Glad you did a mets one
Btw love your work JRS. Glad you did a mets one
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thanks for reading fams 
It'll be a shame if they don't do anything and just ride it out with this team. With these arms, hopefully they stay healthy forever, but why risk it when they're capable of winning now. Give them a chance to do something special. Whether it's bringing up Conforto or whatever, another bat or two is definitely needed.
It'll be a shame if they don't do anything and just ride it out with this team. With these arms, hopefully they stay healthy forever, but why risk it when they're capable of winning now. Give them a chance to do something special. Whether it's bringing up Conforto or whatever, another bat or two is definitely needed.
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We need to make moves. Feel like sandy will just sit still and do nothing.
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I'm done with these pieces of ****. Sandy just said he doesn't want an everyday player, he's fine with Niewhenhuis and Eric Campbell. **** this team.
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Welp. Time to step up. Lineup is Terrible though. Let's see how many men get on base next two days. Hoping for the best
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We're gonna look back on this season in a couple of years when two or three of these starters are injured and never the same and complain about the opportunity that was squandered in 2015.
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Not like this lineup is a bat away anyway, there are several positions that need to be upgraded.
Lot of season left however.
Lot of season left however.
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Mets are LAST in NL in runs scored haha only 3 gms out.
Calling up Conforto
Calling up Conforto
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Reds are probably getting Chapman and gotta imagine they grab another bat as well.
Welp
Welp
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Unbelievable. It shows how special our pitching staff is.
You mean Nationals? It's no surprise if they acquire Chapman.
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I know we need bats but I'd hate to touch the pitching staff. 
Hopefully Conforto brings a spark with him
Hopefully Conforto brings a spark with him
