NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[finallyfamous]

Nice job Raiders

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Raiders turned it around, and the Giants are doing a hell of a good job, too.

 

[yvespo3]

The Giants signing Geoff Schwartz went under the radar and was probably their best pickup

 

[polosanddunks]

DRC won

 

[a55a5in11]

Raiders turned it around, and the Giants are doing a hell of a good job, too.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

After all that, Raiders are playing free agency very smart. Though it wouldn't have hurt to retain their own players. Meanwhile I think some of the "winners", namely the Broncos, are going to regret some of the huge contracts they handed out (Talib).

IMO Ware's contract is the iffy one. Talib's deal isn't as bad once you get into the details.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Here’s how the six-year, $57 million contract (it’s really a three-year, $27 million deal as you’ll see) the Broncos gave cornerback Aqib Talib:

2014

*$5 million signing bonus
*$4.5 million salary (full, skill/injury/cap guarantee)
*$2 million roster bonus due on March 17 (full guarantee)
*$31,250 bonus for each game he’s on the 46-man, game-day roster. If he plays in all 16 games, he gets $500,000.
*2014 total: $11.5 million, chance to make another $500,000 if he plays in all 16 games

2015

*$5.5 million salary (injury guarantee; becomes full skill/injury/cap guarantee on third day of free-agency.)
*$31,250 bonus for each game he’s on 46-man, game-day roster.
*2015 total: $5.5 million, chance to make another $500,000 for playing in all 16 games.

2016

*$8.5 million salary (injury guaranteed; becomes full skill/injury/cap guarantee on third day of free agency).
*$31,250 bonus for each game on 46-man, game-day roster for chance to make $500,000.
*2016 total: $8.5 million, chance to make another $500,000 for playing in 16 games.

2017

*$11 million salary (no guarantees)

2018

*$11 million salary (no guarantees)

2019

*$8 million salary (no guarantees)

That last three years were what the industry often refers to as phony money because rarely do players collect the back-end of such contracts. This is really a three-year, $27 million contract. Still, $9 million a year isn’t bad.

Only the first year $ is fully guaranteed. 

Your boy Browner's deal with the Patriots is VERY team-friendly.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

The Patriots signed cornerback Brandon Browner to a three-year contract, and here are the specific details, which add important context:

Total value: $12.35 million
Maximum value: $16.8 million
Signing bonus: $0

2014
Base: $1 million (guaranteed)
Offseason workout bonus: $250,000
Roster bonus: $500,000 for making the 53-man roster at any point during the season (just has to be on it for one day and he sees this)
Second roster bonus: $150,000 per game he's on the 46-man roster
Playtime incentives: Up to $1.25 million

2015
Base: $1.9 million
Roster bonus: $2 million (90-man roster at start of league year)
Second roster bonus: $100,000 per game he’s on the 46-man roster
Playtime incentives: Up to $500,000 ($250k for 75 percent playing time; another $250k for 85 percent playing time)

2016
Base: $1.9 million
Roster bonus: $2 million (90-man roster at start of league year)
Second roster bonus: $100,000 per game he’s on the 46…
Playtime incentives: Up to $500,000 ($250k for 75 percent playing time; another $250k for 85 percent playing time)

QUICK-HIT THOUGHTS: From a team perspective, the guaranteed financial commitment is just $1 million (base salary for 2014). Everything else Browner earns will be based on performance and participation in the offseason program. A key marker in the contract is the $2 million roster/option bonus for Browner if he’s on the 90-man roster at the start of the 2015 league year. This contract is a bit different from the norm because of Browner's suspension, which, based on the language and clauses of the contract, was clearly a consideration in negotiating the deal.

There isn't enough

I can post for how Darrelle Revis handles his bidness. It obviously helps that his game keeps him in a position of power...but there probably isn't another non-QB in the league who uses leverage as well as he has. Might be the closest thing the NFL has to Pretty Boy Floyd.

 

[herbshuttles15]

All those contracts guaranteed money will be up in 3 years, Ware in 2 years

 

[calikev34]

JUKES

i still will never understand how he saw dude coming




MADE RAY'S KNEES CLAP :x




favorite spin move ever + chris berman



SLEEPER PICK

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 

[statis22]

The Revis deal imo is the best deal of the offseason so far.

 

[moe200069]

Retaining Veldheer should have happened and it was a serious mistake on McKenzie's part. Other than that he's been nailing every signing with very team-friendly deals.

definitely a lot of bargain deals accomplished by mckenzie. but i feel like he has way more pressure on him than any other GM, especially with that much money freed up...so much room for error.

in either case, the man's got some amends to make with raider nation after the last couple of drafts and free agencies.

 

[100027]

 
IMO Ware's contract is the iffy one. Talib's deal isn't as bad once you get into the details.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Here’s how the six-year, $57 million contract (it’s really a three-year, $27 million deal as you’ll see) the Broncos gave cornerback Aqib Talib:

2014

*$5 million signing bonus
*$4.5 million salary (full, skill/injury/cap guarantee)
*$2 million roster bonus due on March 17 (full guarantee)
*$31,250 bonus for each game he’s on the 46-man, game-day roster. If he plays in all 16 games, he gets $500,000.
*2014 total: $11.5 million, chance to make another $500,000 if he plays in all 16 games

2015

*$5.5 million salary (injury guarantee; becomes full skill/injury/cap guarantee on third day of free-agency.)
*$31,250 bonus for each game he’s on 46-man, game-day roster.
*2015 total: $5.5 million, chance to make another $500,000 for playing in all 16 games.

2016

*$8.5 million salary (injury guaranteed; becomes full skill/injury/cap guarantee on third day of free agency).
*$31,250 bonus for each game on 46-man, game-day roster for chance to make $500,000.
*2016 total: $8.5 million, chance to make another $500,000 for playing in 16 games.

2017

*$11 million salary (no guarantees)

2018

*$11 million salary (no guarantees)

2019

*$8 million salary (no guarantees)

That last three years were what the industry often refers to as phony money because rarely do players collect the back-end of such contracts. This is really a three-year, $27 million contract. Still, $9 million a year isn’t bad.

Only the first year $ is fully guaranteed. 

Your boy Browner's deal with the Patriots is VERY team-friendly.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

The Patriots signed cornerback Brandon Browner to a three-year contract, and here are the specific details, which add important context:

Total value: $12.35 million
Maximum value: $16.8 million
Signing bonus: $0

2014
Base: $1 million (guaranteed)
Offseason workout bonus: $250,000
Roster bonus: $500,000 for making the 53-man roster at any point during the season (just has to be on it for one day and he sees this)
Second roster bonus: $150,000 per game he's on the 46-man roster
Playtime incentives: Up to $1.25 million

2015
Base: $1.9 million
Roster bonus: $2 million (90-man roster at start of league year)
Second roster bonus: $100,000 per game he’s on the 46-man roster
Playtime incentives: Up to $500,000 ($250k for 75 percent playing time; another $250k for 85 percent playing time)

2016
Base: $1.9 million
Roster bonus: $2 million (90-man roster at start of league year)
Second roster bonus: $100,000 per game he’s on the 46…
Playtime incentives: Up to $500,000 ($250k for 75 percent playing time; another $250k for 85 percent playing time)

QUICK-HIT THOUGHTS: From a team perspective, the guaranteed financial commitment is just $1 million (base salary for 2014). Everything else Browner earns will be based on performance and participation in the offseason program. A key marker in the contract is the $2 million roster/option bonus for Browner if he’s on the 90-man roster at the start of the 2015 league year. This contract is a bit different from the norm because of Browner's suspension, which, based on the language and clauses of the contract, was clearly a consideration in negotiating the deal.

There isn't enough

I can post for how Darrelle Revis handles his bidness. It obviously helps that his game keeps him in a position of power...but there probably isn't another non-QB in the league who uses leverage as well as he has. Might be the closest thing the NFL has to Pretty Boy Floyd.

I suppose the Talib contract isn't as huge as it looks, thanks for the info.  Though ultimately, if he gets injured or is inconsistent it will still be way too much for those first three years,  and if he puts together a whole season at his best it will be a good deal.  

No way Browner was going to have it any other way after that suspension 

.  Too bad because he deserves better.  He's a real good fit across from Revis though.  

And yeah, Revis is maximizing his career $ as best possible.  I wonder who his agent is?

 

[100027]

The Revis deal imo is the best deal of the offseason so far.

Probably.  Veldheer to Arizona also made a ton of sense at the price.  

 

[numbah1grimey]

They trying to play Cam Newton like Donovan McNabb. Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell, Greg Lewis
Keep hope alive Cam

 

[buc em]

I'm biased but Verner's deal was the best value and fit of the offseason so far IMO.

 

[100027]

I'm biased but Verner's deal was the best value and fit of the offseason so far IMO.

That was also a very good one.

 

[keel252]

Kenny Britt please sign with us please. we need you man.

 

[Deleted member 37754]

After all that, Raiders are playing free agency very smart. Though it wouldn't have hurt to retain their own players. Meanwhile I think some of the "winners", namely the Broncos, are going to regret some of the huge contracts they handed out (Talib).

Veldheer? Yes but LaMarr Houston and his 4 sacks a season for 5/35+ yea I'm glad we let him walk

[COLOR=#red]I really don't think keeping Veldheer was a big deal as he was breaking down.

Also the Tackle from Auburn will be right there in the draft, which would be an upgrade to the line. Seems like Reg has a plan in place.

Personally I'd like to see Sammy Watkins head to the Raiders... but I think he will be gone by 5. [/COLOR]

 

[651akathepaul]

Kenny Britt please sign with us please. we need you man.

That desperation.

 

[Deleted member 37754]

Kenny Britt please sign with us please. we need you man.

[COLOR=#red]You'd really want Kenny Britt paired with Cam??

Disaster waiting to happen. I'd rather go 2 WRs early in the draft than pick up Britt. [/COLOR]

 

[herbshuttles15]

Panthers need to sign TO, Ocho, Moss, Tony G at TE

TO is the possession guy, Moss is the deep threat, Ocho is the slot Tony and Olsen are the two tight ends.

The Expendables: Gridiron

 

[100027]

Panthers need to sign TO, Ocho, Moss, Tony G at TE

TO is the possession guy, Moss is the deep threat, Ocho is the slot Tony and Olsen are the two tight ends.

The Expendables: Gridiron

T.O. can't possess anything without dropping it.

 

[Peep Game]

Panthers need to sign TO, Ocho, Moss, Tony G at TE

TO is the possession guy, Moss is the deep threat, Ocho is the slot Tony and Olsen are the two tight ends.

The Expendables: Gridiron

If the Panthers did sign all of them, they'd be the front runners.


Of Hard Knocks

 

[Chester McFloppy]

TO is the possession guy

TO was far from a possession guy his last few years in the league. Dropped passes left and right.

 

[herbshuttles15]

I hope you are guys are taking this seriously

 

[100027]

That's how dire the panthers WR situation is that we are.

 it would be an improvement for them, absolutely