NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[Johnny_Cakes]

And still the Texans >>>>>>>> Raiders

i'm not so sure about that, man

Texans are better than the raiders one bad yr...eh do they play each other this yr

They better hope not.

LOL they do, how did I forget this?

 

[flyerthandelta]

Oh noooooow you're okay with "MeSean" huh jumpmanfromdabay ??

2 weeks ago you said you didn't want his selfish services on the raiders.

Now you're excited
I see you bro

Word....lol

 

[jumpman91023]

Texans are better than the raiders one bad yr...eh do they play each other this yr

Yeah they do, it'll be in Oakland.

 

[Deleted member 37754]

I don't care, I'm poundin the desk for D-Jax to come to Miami.

[COLOR=#red]yep.[/COLOR]

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/252989401.html

In the end, Chip Kelly didn't want DeSean Jackson on the Eagles

Jeff McLane, Inquirer Staff Writer
LAST UPDATED: Saturday, March 29, 2014, 1:08 AM
POSTED: Friday, March 28, 2014, 10:01 PM


DeSean Jackson didn't change; the Eagles did when Chip Kelly became head coach.

The Eagles knew about Jackson's alleged gang connections, his problems with authority, and his locker-room dramas long before Friday, when they released the wide receiver. They knew what they were getting when they drafted him in 2008.

So for the team to imply that his off-the-field behavior or an NJ.com report that detailed his alleged connection to reputed members of the Los Angeles-based Crips gang had anything to do with the wide receiver's release would be disingenuous.

The reasons the Eagles cut ties with Jackson after six seasons were many, but the overriding motive was a simple one: Kelly didn't want him on the team anymore. The Eagles coach has yet to explain the decision - nor did anyone from the organization on Friday - but Kelly's lower tolerance for Jackson than Andy Reid had is believed to be the primary explanation for why the team started shopping the 27-year-old Pro Bowl receiver on March 1.

After no trade offers, according to multiple NFL sources, the Eagles were faced with only two prospects - releasing Jackson or bringing back a player Kelly didn't want. The NJ.com report provided the team with the perfect opportunity to soften criticism for cutting a superstar in the prime of his career while getting nothing in return.

So rather than release Jackson on Wednesday, when they initially were contacted by NJ.com, they waited two days and cut him less than an hour after the story was posted. It's fair to wonder how much earlier the Eagles knew of the story and whether they were the impetus for its writing.

Sources within the organization are cited in the story as being concerned about Jackson's association with a reputed gang member who was connected to a homicide in 2010 - two years before the Eagles gave Jackson a new five-year, $47 million contract and four years before they ultimately released him.

The Eagles employ a security detail - "fixers" as they are sometimes known - whose job is almost exclusively digging up information on players. Jackson's association with reputed Crips gang members had been commonly known for years.

Releasing Jackson after the story was posted also made it seem as if the Eagles came to the realization that they would now get nothing in return once teams were made aware of the connection. Every team, though, already knew of Jackson's reputation when they scouted the first-round talent before the 2008 draft.

Jackson made strong denials in a statement, saying that his release had nothing "to do with any affiliation that has been speculated surrounding the company I keep off the field. I would like to make it clear that I am not and never have been part of any gang."

With the timing of the release and the Eagles' refusal to answer any questions about it, they have shifted the onus onto Jackson.

Teams will be reluctant to sign him now because of the public relations hit they will take.

Six teams have reportedly reached out to Jackson's agent, Joel Segal, but it's difficult to see him receiving anything near the value one would expect based on his 2013 production (82 catches for 1,332 yards and nine touchdowns).

Other agents and players around the league are surely watching how the Eagles have allowed Jackson to twist in the wind.

The Eagles are well within their rights to jettison Jackson. Kelly is attempting to foster a new culture at the NovaCare Complex, and he had deemed Jackson expendable. But the selfishness, the lateness, and the immaturity were there long before Kelly arrived last January.

Two Eagles players who requested anonymity said that Jackson wasn't a clubhouse cancer, but he had become a distraction. They would not offer specifics. Both questioned whether his loss would hurt the offense and opined that he wouldn't be difficult to replace.

Jackson slipped into the second round of the 2008 draft. Reid had shied away from players with behavioral red flags for years, but he needed an explosive receiver and, with owner Jeffrey Lurie's endorsement, rolled the dice.

By 2010, Jackson had become one of the league's most electrifying players, but his play began to slip in 2011 because he wanted, but would not receive, a new contract. It was during that year that Los Angeles police called the Eagles to inform them that they planned to question Jackson in connection with a homicide, according to NJ.com.

A Jackson acquaintance, Theron Shakir, was one of two reputed Crips members suspected in the killing of 14-year-old Taburi Watson. Shakir was charged but eventually acquitted. Marques Binns was convicted.

The Eagles had no comment when NJ.com originally contacted them about the 2011 call from the Los Angeles police, but a team source later said that "current front-office members had been unaware of Jackson's links to an alleged killer" in the report.

Jackson received the new contract he had fretted over in March 2012 with Reid as head coach and Howie Roseman as general manager.

The Eagles' silence on the whole issue has been troublesome. There was an ESPN report that the team's lawyers advised against making public statements. It is believed there would be no need for lawyers unless the Eagles were being careful about opening themselves up to slander allegations.

It wouldn't be hard to explain. Kelly didn't want Jackson, so he was released after they couldn't find a trade partner.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Oh noooooow you're okay with "MeSean" huh jumpmanfromdabay ??

2 weeks ago you said you didn't want his selfish services on the raiders.

Now you're excited
I see you bro

I didn't want him if it came in a trade sign as a FA is different

 

[100027]

I was never really a huge fan of DeSean...  But I will be rooting for him next year after all the crap that was thrown his way.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

And still the Texans >>>>>>>> Raiders

i'm not so sure about that, man

I must of hurt his feelings

Always trying to clown the Raiders and doing it horribly! The Cowboys are trash man and try and slander another team

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

You don't want a #1 WR? K.

 

[byukid]

I think we'd like him but it'd be too much money when we have AJ and DeAndre who are you know, pretty OK recievers.

 

[flyerthandelta]

And still the Texans >>>>>>>> Raiders

i'm not so sure about that, man

I must of hurt his feelings

Always trying to clown the Raiders and doing it horribly! The Cowboys are trash man and try and slander another team

Raiders been TRASH and still ARE

 

[herbshuttles15]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

I can definitely understand that.

Not sure why everyone loves talking about the Raiders either. I suspect some of it is racial prejudice. Could also be because the Raiders were the team of "cheaters" and would try hurting other players a long time ago and that resentment carried over from the older generation.

 

[flyerthandelta]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

Man idk how many no1 draft picks these fools done got the last 30yrs or FA they keep spending, youd think after Al Davis died theyd learn. Its gonna be a long time for them boys....i say move em to LA it might just spark something

 

[MajinZuub]

The Raiders have been a historically hated organization because of the stigma they've carried that they're dirty cheaters. They'll always be "the bad guy" and people will want to see them stay down because they can't stand to see them be great.

 

[MajinZuub]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

Man idk how many no1 draft picks these fools done got the last 30yrs or FA they keep spending, youd think after Al Davis died theyd learn. Its gonna be a long time for them boys....i say move em to LA it might just spark something

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

 

[calikev34]

 

[herbshuttles15]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

Man idk how many no1 draft picks these fools done got the last 30yrs or FA they keep spending, youd think after Al Davis died theyd learn. Its gonna be a long time for them boys....i say move em to LA it might just spark something

They had one #1 draft pick in their entire history

 

[CJ616]

Raiders making moves

Pops is a Raiders fan, so they'll
always be good in my book.

 

[flyerthandelta]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

Man idk how many no1 draft picks these fools done got the last 30yrs or FA they keep spending, youd think after Al Davis died theyd learn. Its gonna be a long time for them boys....i say move em to LA it might just spark something

They had one #1 draft pick in their entire history

Cause they kept trading away they picks

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

Man idk how many no1 draft picks these fools done got the last 30yrs or FA they keep spending, youd think after Al Davis died theyd learn. Its gonna be a long time for them boys....i say move em to LA it might just spark something

They had one #1 draft pick in their entire history

Cause they kept trading away they picks

Wrong. Man you are dumb.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

But everyone can be a cowboys/lakers/Yankees fan Like flyerthandelta

 

[ag 47]

I don't know what type of route running Desean does, but he better be ready to slow down and wait for the ball if he does go to Oakland. Or be ready to play defense.

I think you're making an assumption that Schaub will be starting the season under center. I suggest you wait for May to conclude before jumping to those conclusions.

 

[laker4lifeman]

I don't get the hate for the Raiders they're a team that gone through a decade plus of bad management, its not like they are predicted to be the best team in league every year, with constant coverage and fail to meet expectations. Sure their fans are annoying but football has the most annoying fans in the U.S. I look forward to the Raiders being g viable again hopefully in a new stadium.

Man idk how many no1 draft picks these fools done got the last 30yrs or FA they keep spending, youd think after Al Davis died theyd learn. Its gonna be a long time for them boys....i say move em to LA it might just spark something

They had one #1 draft pick in their entire history

Cause they kept trading away they picks

Reggie didn't trade the 2012 pick Hue and Mark traded it. He didn't have cap space until this year.

 

[sole searchin]

They had one #1 draft pick in their entire history

Jamarcus set them back. Damn. Coulda had Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Patrick Willis, AP etc. Raiders suffered from the drafts old rules since you basically couldn't pay a LB/WR/RB that much money as a #1 pick compared to sloted salaries now a days.

But then again my Texans took Okoye.