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Vick was an amazing athlete and playmaker. HORRIBLE QB though. He had an anomaly of a year in 2010...but other than that, his passing ability leaves a lot to be desired.
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Nah, those are clown statements bro.
Free Mike Vick!!!
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I honestly don't think it had to do with race.
He just used the ammo from last season about people wanting Juan fired to make a move.
The defense was ranked in the top 15 I believe?
They won 3 games by 4 combined points and besides the Cards game the loses were by combined 5.
It wasn't the defense, it's Vick , AR and Marty. But they used Juan cause people were complaining about it since last season.
A defense can only hold for so long when you keep giving the ball back to the opposing team.
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he handled it VERY professionally. respect to him.
because the offense opposite his defense has turned the ball over 17 times through 6 games. aside that his defense really wasn't that bad, the offense is just as troubled.
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I'm sorry. I wasn't insinuating his firing had to do with race. I just didn't like seeing the number of Hispanic coaches in the NFL become smaller especially since Castillo wasn't the primary issue as you & I pointed out. I honestly believe Reid approached Castillo for the job & he took it being so loyal to Reid.
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basically..
lol..dudes quick to hate on vick..
alex smith over michael vick??? lol...nt'ers and theyre live in the moment silly comments....
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Vick is horrible at QB? Naw. That's hyperbole. Even a raw Mike Vick went into Lambeau and defeated Favre's Packers.
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And guess what, hes turned the ball over in 2012 14 times... In ALL of 2002 he turned it over 16 times.
He also rushed for almost 800 yards in 15 games in 2002.
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lmao..haha..
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its just demoralizing for the defense when offense turns the ball over as much as the eagles did
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Since you mention it its hard to believe they're even 12th ranked with the amount the O has turned it over. Then again they are probably on a short field a lot.
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is their defense good because they don't give up a lot of yards, or do they not give up a lot of yards because their offense gives them short fields an less yards to give up. intredasting.
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Interesting point, but every time I see Vick turning over the ball it's on their side of the field or near the end zone
They've yet to play a high powered offense also
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Statistically when has Vick ever proven to be in the upper echelon of QBs minus the 2010 season? He is a great playmaker I'll give him that, but QB? Guy still can't even read blitzes correctly. His career completion percentage is 55.3 and the most yards he's ever thrown for is a grand total of 3303. You guys get wowed by his occasional OMG play, but please justify his ranking if you so wish.
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Obviously he's struggled this year. Makes your stance easier to justify, no doubt, but it does not diminish Vick's abilities at the QB. Numbers certainly don't tell the entire story....for example, I believe those stats you cling too also show that Vick has fumbled more than any player in the NFL. But what those stats fail to say is that the Eagles are without their starting LT and Center. Show me another team other than Pittsburgh with those offensive line issues? The point I'm trying to make is that Vick isn't an elite QB, he's closer to mediocre than elite, but to say he's horrible? Naw. You can't justify saying that with stats....hell, your precious QBR doesn't even account for Wins & Losses so how accurate of an indicator is it of a player's performance. Alex Smith led the league in that statistical category for 5 weeks, but how many QB's would you take Alex over? I wouldn't even take him over Vick.
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Vick get's the gas face...
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Why are you mad about what I'm saying?
My precious QBR? Don't even think I've mentioned QBR in this argument. If it was so precious I'd probably be pointing out that Aaron Rodgers has the highest all time Career QBR by 8 points all the time
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Its not just this year though. And completion % IS important. Vick is simply not an accurate QB.
I acknowledge that hes probably the most electrifying QB of all time... I loved watching him run... And when did I say he was horrible? I'd still take him over probably half the QB's in the L... But hes not top 10, and I'm definitely taking RGIII over him right now.
My points which were the difference in accuracy and IQ at the position, I backed up with numbers.
You think I was high on Alex Smith because he had high QBR ?? Hes not winning you a chip either... The team he has is probably as good as itll ever get for him.
By the way, offensive line issues? Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 23 times, 2nd most behind Brandon Weeden. He still leads the league in TD's and had his defense not given up the 18 point lead he gave them and the refs hadn't given the Seahawks a W, he'd be 5-1 right now.
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First off....the only reason you responded to what I said initially is because I said he went into Lambeau and beat the team you root for. So if anybody had unusually high levels of sodium....it's you plehboi. Now, with that said, I think we essentially agree that Vick is not a "HORRIBLE" QB, as was stated by Double J's earlier (not sure if that was sarcasm). At this point of his career, Vick is an above average starting QB in the league, not top 10.
As far which QB's are winning you a chip...outside the elite/sub-elite group: (Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Ben, Eli), who else is? The reason those guys are the at the tippy top for QB's is because they have already won. If Brees doesn't win a SB and just has his awesome stats behind him, is he a consensus Top 5 QB? Possibly, but it's a helluva lot more debatable then. For me, if I'm taking a QB to win me a chip (outside of the elite), I need a QB who at least has a winning record. Well Vick has won nearly 60% of his games. 1 check for Michael Vick. I need me a QB who can engineer a late game comeback or drive when all the pressure is on. Well, Vick has 13 4th Quarter Comebacks and 14 game-winning drives. Hell, he had 3 Game Winning drives in 2010 alone, fresh outta prison. 2 checks for Vick. Lastly, give me a QB who can go into their opponents stadium, unwavering, and pull out a victory. Well, Vick has a winning record in road games as well. 3 checks for Michael Vick. We haven't mentioned his ability to keep plays alive or use his legs, just the stats.
As I mentioned previously, we agree with the overall points...give me RG3 present day. Kid has shown little to no learning curve and the sky is literally the ceiling for him. I'll take that hope over what Vick has proven to this point. Period.
As far which QB's are winning you a chip...outside the elite/sub-elite group: (Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Ben, Eli), who else is? The reason those guys are the at the tippy top for QB's is because they have already won. If Brees doesn't win a SB and just has his awesome stats behind him, is he a consensus Top 5 QB? Possibly, but it's a helluva lot more debatable then. For me, if I'm taking a QB to win me a chip (outside of the elite), I need a QB who at least has a winning record. Well Vick has won nearly 60% of his games. 1 check for Michael Vick. I need me a QB who can engineer a late game comeback or drive when all the pressure is on. Well, Vick has 13 4th Quarter Comebacks and 14 game-winning drives. Hell, he had 3 Game Winning drives in 2010 alone, fresh outta prison. 2 checks for Vick. Lastly, give me a QB who can go into their opponents stadium, unwavering, and pull out a victory. Well, Vick has a winning record in road games as well. 3 checks for Michael Vick. We haven't mentioned his ability to keep plays alive or use his legs, just the stats.
As I mentioned previously, we agree with the overall points...give me RG3 present day. Kid has shown little to no learning curve and the sky is literally the ceiling for him. I'll take that hope over what Vick has proven to this point. Period.
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Might wanna jump in the Hot Tub Time Machine and go back in this thread to realize that I responded to someone completely different than you on page 402.
It was being discussed for 2 whole pages and I made several arguments previous to you jumping in and then saying something about 2002.
IDGAF about 2002 playoffs at this point. I showed that hes STILL not a more accurate QB than he was in his 2nd year in the league.
No salt here... Were arguing 2 players who aren't even in my teams division. I just see a better QB in RGIII.
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So pimpin....pg. 404 didn't exist? You quoting me about Vick's turnovers didn't happen? Am I in....the twilight zone? I threw in my .02 about a raw Michael Vick leading his team to victory in one of the harder places to play in the NFL. That's a valid point when discussing capable QBs, not "horrible" ones. I know...that wasn't you who stated that, but that's what triggered my reply....wasn't a shot at you. Just stating facts.
To add to that, how can you start a team and not take RGIII over any other QB in the league right now, including A-Rod.
To add to that, how can you start a team and not take RGIII over any other QB in the league right now, including A-Rod.
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