NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[buc em]

Yeah. Thats what I give props to T.O. He's one of the very few WR's that can actually speak very intelligently and is/was a beast on the field.

Have you heard Vincent Jackson talk? He's the best that I've heard. He had straight A's all four years in high school and was accepted into Columbia before deciding to go to Northern Colorado to play basketball and football.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

My guy Geno Atkins gets absolutely no love. Dude is a ****** BEAST. Best DT this season, should be in the running for DPOY.

He is one of the most underated players in the league. Dude is a straight beast.

One of my favorite defensive players behind MeggaWatt of course.

I like Geno too. His father was a rock solid safety in his day (played for the Saints & the Fins). He bang around & hit like a hammer. I think Gene is suffering from the early stages of dementia though...

One thing about Geno & other d-linemen in general though is they only know how to bull rush & sack. Most of these youngins don't contain the gap or maintain lane control. Geno needs to develop skill along with his physicality if he wants to get to the next level especially since he has rather short arms which causes him to get stuck on blocks...He had one play against the Steelers though a couple of weeks ago where her just pushed the lineman (I forgot who) into Ben for a sack. I think he had both of them on the ground....

 

[jjs07]

Both you two are entitled to your opinions of course, but if and or when is there a good time to speak on a current tragic event??

He could write an editorial for all that I care, but the platform yesterday during SNF was NOT the right place to get on a soapbox about gun control. FWIW, I do think there needs to be stricter laws regarding guns, but I can't rock w/ Costas for his timing yesterday. EVERYTHING he said went down the drain as soon as he co-signed Witlock's sentiment that Perkins would still be alive if Belcher didn't have a firearm. Like I was reading elsewhere, Costas used the time to focus on the weapon used rather than looking at the other issues/circumstances as to WHY this happened. Instead of Costas' rambling, he should have just given way to the video clip of Brady Quinn. That was all that needed to be said at that moment.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

That Costas segment is super annoying. Sick and tired of his lectures.

 

[jmb1523]

So Reid has benched Vick for the rest of the season?

 

[651akathepaul]

He could write an editorial for all that I care, but the platform yesterday during SNF was NOT the right place to get on a soapbox about gun control. FWIW, I do think there needs to be stricter laws regarding guns, but I can't rock w/ Costas for his timing yesterday. EVERYTHING he said went down the drain as soon as he co-signed Witlock's sentiment that Perkins would still be alive if Belcher didn't have a firearm. Like I was reading elsewhere, Costas used the time to focus on the weapon used rather than looking at the other issues/circumstances as to WHY this happened. Instead of Costas' rambling, he should have just given way to the video clip of Brady Quinn. That was all that needed to be said at that moment.

Co-sign.

The stuff he lectures about needs to be saved for his next book or something.

 

[deuce king]

Both you two are entitled to your opinions of course, but if and or when is there a good time to speak on a current tragic event??

He could write an editorial for all that I care, but the platform yesterday during SNF was NOT the right place to get on a soapbox about gun control. FWIW, I do think there needs to be stricter laws regarding guns, but I can't rock w/ Costas for his timing yesterday. EVERYTHING he said went down the drain as soon as he co-signed Witlock's sentiment that Perkins would still be alive if Belcher didn't have a firearm. Like I was reading elsewhere, Costas used the time to focus on the weapon used rather than looking at the other issues/circumstances as to WHY this happened. Instead of Costas' rambling, he should have just given way to the video clip of Brady Quinn. That was all that needed to be said at that moment.

As far as an editorial goes, Costas could reach a larger and boarder audience in half the time by speaking on live TV which he did.  Guaranteed more people heard his segment last night than would have read his editorial.  The goal for Costas or even Whitlock for that matter is to get as many people to hear the topic of their choice at the moment.  If they have an actual point behind the topic at hand, which both of them did be it right or wrong is to get the general public to join in on the discussion. 

In regards to their timing, as the saying goes.........you strike while the iron is hot.

 

[shox23]

So Reid has benched Vick for the rest of the season?

He has a serve concussion the eagles are done, foles has shown some flashes but needs work, there's no reason to play vick

 

[jjs07]

As far as an editorial goes, Costas could reach a larger and boarder audience in half the time by speaking on live TV which he did.  Guaranteed more people heard his segment last night than would have read his editorial.  The goal for Costas or even Whitlock for that matter is to get as many people to hear the topic of their choice at the moment.  If they have an actual point behind the topic at hand, which both of them did be it right or wrong is to get the general public to join in on the discussion. 

In regards to their timing, as the saying goes.........you strike while the iron is hot.

I'm not sure of the point being made when they said that Perkins would be alive today if there wasn't access to a firearm. That's taking opinion and putting it out there as a fact.

Brady Quinn = eloquently getting your point across in a way that makes you think about your personal relationships with the people you come across on a daily basis. Nothing about gun control or anything along those lines. More so, WHY didn't we notice any warning signs? There's a societal disconnect.

Whitlock = whatever...he stirs the pot.

Costas = co-signing Whitlock insane assumptions on a national platform that SHOULD shy away for all things political.

*You also want to know why it was ******** for Costas to say what he did? The NFL banned Rich Eisen's interview w/ Bradley Cooper b/c his new movie deals with gambling.

It's hyprocirsy (sp?) On one hand, you're going to censor certain content...but on the other, you're going to allow Costas to get on a soapbox about gun control? It was NOT the time. I'm not sure if the NBC or NFL brass will say something to Costas about his monologue last night, but it's the classic case of Marlo Stanfield's quote "you want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

 

[deuce king]

I'm not sure of the point being made when they said that Perkins would be alive today if there wasn't access to a firearm. That's taking opinion and putting it out there as a fact

I hear and agree with you on that point, which is why I didn't speak on that direct quote from Whitlock or Costas.

*You also want to know why it was ******** for Costas to say what he did? The NFL banned Rich Eisen's interview w/ Bradley Cooper b/c his new movie deals with gambling.

It's hyprocirsy (sp?) On one hand, you're going to censor certain content...but on the other, you're going to allow Costas to get on a soapbox about gun control?

Rich Eisen works for the NFL Network, he gets a direct check from the NFL for his segments.  Bob Costas works for NBC, he gets a direct check from NBC.  Big difference champ.  With that being said, it is you sir (DoubleJ's) that wants it one way............but it's the other way.  

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Best player in the NFL that isn't a quarterback.

 

[dmxfury]

Loved what Brady said, absolute truth on society today and I have definitely tried to disconnect past year or so because I have felt the same

 

[CP1708]

Best player in the NFL that isn't a quarterback.

Gad damnnnnnn!!!

 

[jjs07]

I hear and agree with you on that point, which is why I didn't speak on that direct quote from Whitlock or Costas.



Rich Eisen works for the NFL Network, he gets a direct check from the NFL for his segments.  Bob Costas works for NBC, he gets a direct check from NBC.  Big difference champ.  With that being said, it is you sir (DoubleJ's) that wants it one way............but it's the other way.  

I'm going to make this simple for you. Bob Costas is a representative of the league. If the NFL gave him the green-light for his monologue content, that's hyprocisy at it's finest (on the heels of Eisen's banned interview) because Costas co-signed Whitlock's sentiment that Belcher's GF would be alive today had it not been for a weapon. Like I said before, THAT was the gist of my argument against Costas. He was out of line.

 

[duba169]

Whitlocks assumption isnt bat **** insane. But I do agree it's an opinion and he shouldn't have stated it as a fact. I don't see anything "insane" about it.

Maybe he would have just grabbed a knife, nobody knows. I still think the main point was that he felt its easier to overreact and be antagonistic when you have a gun in your hand. That isn't quite a political statement. Did he even use the word gun control?

I HiGHLY doubt NBC was happy with costas. Pleeeenty of fans are gun owners and probably found it offensive




What did Brady say?

 

[651akathepaul]

BALTIMORE -- Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed offered a pointed critique of the NFL on Sunday night, specifically about the way the league has been policing its defensive players.

Speaking after the Ravens' 23-20 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, Reed said the NFL is turning into "powder puff" football and compared commissioner Roger Goodell to a president who doesn't have to answer to Congress and simply can pass whatever laws he pleases.

“If they was really so concerned about the violence and the injuries and players getting hurt, answer this question for me: Why is there 'Thursday Night Football?' We played three games in 17 days (earlier this season)? Why?”

Reed had his recent one-game suspension for a series of illegal hits overturned on appeal, but the eight-time All-Pro player feels like the changes in the game are affecting the way he plays.

"It sucks, man," Reed said. "It sucks really bad. It affects me, man. I thought about it coming into this game, cause obviously it happened the last time we played."

Three weeks ago, when the Ravens and Steelers met at Heinz Field, Reed was flagged for a helmet-to-helmet hit on Pittsburgh wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders. The NFL, saying it was taking into account Reed's history as a repeat offender under the league's "defenseless player" policy, said it was suspending him for Baltimore's game against the San Diego Chargers the following week, a decision that would have cost Reed $423,529 in salary.

Reed and the NFL Players Association appealed the league's decision, and arbiter Ted Cotrell overturned the suspension and reduced the fine to $50,000.

Reed, however, remains angry about the experience. In fact, he went so far as to say he feels like he was being punished for declining when the NFL asked him for a favor, although he wasn't specific about what he was asked to do.

"I feel like (the NFL) was trying to make an example out of a couple of things that happened a week before," Reed said. "I didn't want to do something for the NFL. A little bug told me there was something in the air about that, that they kind of had it out for me. That's bad. I was like, 'If you're not going to support me as a player in your league, in our league, why would you think I was going to come back and wear something on my shoulder pads to support you when you're just fining us?' "

Reed's not the only player to criticize the NFL and Goodell this season. Several Steelers have expressed frustration over what they perceive as Goodell abusing his power under the new collective bargaining agreement. Reed said Sunday he believes the league is trying to promote "powder puff" football.

"It's definitely changing the game," Reed said. "It's become an offensive league. They want more points. They want the physical play out of it, kind of. They want like powder puff to where you can just run around and score points 'cause that's going to attract the fans. I understand you want to make money, but bending the rules and making the game different, you know, it's only going to make the game worse."

Even though Reed won his appeal, he said he feels as though there aren't enough checks and balances in the system.

"All of the sudden the NFL is about to be sued for all the stuff that they haven't protected over the years and they haven't done," Reed said. "Now you want to take it out on us? Nah, take it out on yourself. It's easy for them to do the things they're doing, fining us and make us look bad, like we're the bad guy, when we're not."

Reed said he feels particularly let down by Ray Anderson, the NFL's executive vice president who helped make the initial decision to fine and suspend him.

"That was crazy for the wording they were using, like 'malicious,' " Reed said, "(that) 'I'm a malicious player.' Ray Anderson talking about how I'm a dirty player. After 11 years now I'm a dirty? Serious man? ... It's definitely hurting the game, but they don't care so much about it 'cause they're going to continue to make their money. If they was really so concerned about the violence and the injuries and players getting hurt, answer this question for me: Why is there Thursday night football? We played three games in 17 days (earlier this season)? Why?"

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8...ns-says-powder-puff-football-making-nfl-worse


Completely agree. Thank you Ed.

 

[duba169]

There kind of is a congress. The owners. Who employ him.

Everything he said was true. And in the end Goodell and the owners get what they want

Ed admits he's thinking about the fines so Goodell can claim "it worked"

They DO want more points and they DO want to change the game so it's evidence that "it worked"




Goodell is there to help with the lawsuits and make the offense matter more than defense. So far he's doing what the owners want. But I have no idea how the legislation will pan out. Maybe the nfl takes a big hit but I doubt it

 

[dmxfury]

Didn't like Ed dismissing what Charlie did after the game but do love this

 

[jjs07]

Whitlocks assumption isnt bat **** insane. But I do agree it's an opinion and he shouldn't have stated it as a fact. I don't see anything "insane" about it.
Maybe he would have just grabbed a knife, nobody knows. I still think the main point was that he felt its easier to overreact and be antagonistic when you have a gun in your hand. That isn't quite a political statement. Did he even use the word gun control?
I HiGHLY doubt NBC was happy with costas. Pleeeenty of fans are gun owners and probably found it offensive
What did Brady say?

 

[mmg]

I think they are talking about Brady Quinn not Tom

 

[duba169]

oh lol i thought it was something new TOM said

yeah Quinn's comment was great loved it

 

[mmg]

 

[law3001]

HA

 

[mertonhanks]

One thing about Geno & other d-linemen in general though is they only know how to bull rush & sack. Most of these youngins don't contain the gap or maintain lane control. Geno needs to develop skill along with his physicality if he wants to get to the next level especially since he has rather short arms which causes him to get stuck on blocks

Geno leads all DTs with 23 stops in the run game

Couple more numbers:

Through the first 12 games this season

51 QB disruptions ( leads the league and more than any DT since PFF has started keeping track in 200

Leads all DTs in tackles for losses with 13

Leads all DTs in sacks with 9 (now 9.5)

#1 PRP score for all DTs ( better than Watt)

Rated almost 2x more productive than the next DT this season (40.2 to 21.9)


GenoXL is having a historically great season for a DT. DTs are not suppose to generate as much pressure as he does on QBs, DEs dont even put up these kinds of numbers. I been calling this guy the most underrated player in the NFL since last season. All this from a 4th round pick that was too small...

 

[do work son]

watt essentially does play DT though 3-4 DEs and 4-3 DTs both for the most part line up against the guard or center. he's an interior d lineman, and more often than not there is an OLB occupying the left or right tackle.

geno is a monster though doesn't get enough love |I