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And you'd think someone whose former screen name was "Christ Alone" would see the dissonance between Trump's words/actions and this: https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/jesus-quotes/

But hey, when someone tells you they'll get rid of all those pesky brown people you don't like/trust, you can easily set aside your "religious beliefs."
Bruh my skin is brown. Why would I want to get rid of them. I simply want people to obey the law and come here legally. Dam is it that hard to understand. I see the difference in trump that’s why I said there’s good he’s done and there’s bad he’s done. If dude is this super racist fascist guy where were you at before he ran for office?
 
This dude is really outbhere defending Trump

U know Maga crowd would probably try to deport historical Jesus right? Prob call him an isis member. Unless u one of those JESUS was white type of Christians.
Bruh don’t come at me with that Jesus stuff. I’m one of the only people who are actively pushing for the removal of false white Jesus and this fake name of his. Hell even wrote an entire book with dedicated sections to such matters.
 

Good thing Christians don’t follow Old Testament law.

Huh... might want to tell that to some of your fellow "Christians" then...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassroth_v._Moore
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ion-ten-commandments-plaque-removed-ohio-park
http://bjconline.org/alabama-voters...andments-in-schools-likely-litigation-080918/

And no not all news is fake news. I’m just tired of these major news networks like fox and cnn trying to reach for stuff that isn’t there. Just didn’t want to read the first piece bc it’s an opinion piece I read the other articles. Going to need a few days to digest what’s in there.

Cliffs notes of the "opinion piece" since you're too objective to dare open it, it's actually a round-up of news articles through his history of overt racism since when he first started coming up in NYC in the '70s. Do yourself a favor and check it out.
 
Dude spits his ignorant stuff then posts hai Gais thanks for da super neat civil convo. I’m really fair and totally not as ignorant as I type.
Idk it’s just crazy how I’m ostracized for liking trump, when I agree with you guys on a majority of everything else. It’s seriously like if you don’t have this cult mentality of the left then watch out for the witch hunt.
 
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Huh... might want to tell that to some of your fellow "Christians" then...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassroth_v._Moore
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ion-ten-commandments-plaque-removed-ohio-park
http://bjconline.org/alabama-voters...andments-in-schools-likely-litigation-080918/



Cliffs notes of the "opinion piece" since you're too objective to dare open it, it's actually a round-up of news articles through his history of overt racism since when he first started coming up in NYC in the '70s. Do yourself a favor and check it out.
I did open the article but as soon as I seen opinion I was out, don’t care about opinions only facts my guy. I checked out the other articles though. And yea all these people claiming there Christians are not Christians, we should of never of splintered from Judaism in the first place. Their needs to need to be another revolution in the church in the same way Martin Luther had centuries ago.
 
Bruh my skin is brown. Why would I want to get rid of them. I simply want people to obey the law and come here legally. Dam is it that hard to understand. I see the difference in trump that’s why I said there’s good he’s done and there’s bad he’s done. If dude is this super racist fascist guy where were you at before he ran for office?

OK, then here ya go...
https://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/11/think_your_immigrant_ancestors_came_legally_think.html
It's an "opinion piece" but is based on historical records and research that shows the vast majority of ALL US immigration was "illegal"

And then there's this, which explains how most immigration laws have been based on racial discrimination to prevent whichever "horde" (Irish, Italian, and especially Chinese) was bursting through our borders:
https://www.history.com/news/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration
 
OK, then here ya go...
https://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/11/think_your_immigrant_ancestors_came_legally_think.html
It's an "opinion piece" but is based on historical records and research that shows the vast majority of ALL US immigration was "illegal"

And then there's this, which explains how most immigration laws have been based on racial discrimination to prevent whichever "horde" (Irish, Italian, and especially Chinese) was bursting through our borders:
https://www.history.com/news/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration

Some good reads and not surprised in the slightest that that’s what happened. So what do we do with our borders and immigration. Do we just have open borders and let everybody in?
 
Idk it’s just crazy how I’m ostracized for likely trump, when I agree with you guys on a majority of everything else. It’s seriously like if you don’t have this cult mentality of the left then watch out for the witch hunt.

You agree with what? That Jordans are cool? That we can have civil arguments? Because that's about all you agree with other than lip-service that you "agree" with Kaep's message. You've been kicking sand in this thread since you got here...
I don't agree with Kaep did at all, but I respect the hell out of him for standing up for what he believes in. Too many people nowadays do alot of talking, but don't back up what they say.

Fixed it for you. Doesn't matter what color you are, just because your white doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. This "White Guilt" going around is ridiculous. Everyone can have an opinion on what they believe. The problem with the protest is not the message, but how it was conducted. There is a place and time for everything, and kneeling for the flag was the wrong time imo. When trying to spread messages with a lot of "controversy" such as Kaep's you have to be aware of how you spread it, because if done improperly it can push more people than it tries to make aware.

You agree with Kaep's message, but want to see him spread it in a way that doesn't inconvenience or harm anyone. That's would defeat the purpose of a "protest." And the dude took a f'ing knee on the sideline while a song played during pre-game. You sound like the guy who agrees with protesters but gets mad that their protest held up traffic while he was trying to get to WalMart. It's great as long as it doesn't cause anyone (specifically: you) any inconvenience.

Polite and convenient protest never accomplished a gatdam thing throughout all of human history.
 
Some good reads and not surprised in the slightest that that’s what happened. So what do we do with our borders and immigration. Do we just have open borders and let everybody in?

Yep - you got it! Give them the fabled "pathway to citizenship" and as long as you don't commit a felony before you become a citizen, you're good after X years (5, 10, whatever). These people are already paying taxes and contributing to the economy and society, and employers are already profiting from their labor, so make it all above-board and give these people protections they deserve so they don't have to live in fear in the shadows just because they wanted to make a better life for themselves and their families.
 
snkrfollower snkrfollower I know where you guys are coming from and the way you guys think because I use to be you. Back as a teenager and young 20’s I was saying the same stuff you guys were and bringing up the same arguments. To me blacks and minorities could do no wrong, and whites were this evil racist group of people. It wasn’t until college around the Michael brown shooting happened that I said wait a minute, and started looking at the reality and the facts. I don’t agree with some things of Kaeps message but some things I do. I personally felt he could of had more supporters and listeners had he did a league wide strike or march on Washington or something else. The flag is just an idea wrapped in cloth to me, but to others it’s much more. So when they see this dude what appears to them as disrespect they immediately are turned off. I felt he could of grabbed these people who are supporting that’s all I’m saying.
 
Yep - you got it! Give them the fabled "pathway to citizenship" and as long as you don't commit a felony before you become a citizen, you're good after X years (5, 10, whatever). These people are already paying taxes and contributing to the economy and society, and employers are already profiting from their labor, so make it all above-board and give these people protections they deserve so they don't have to live in fear in the shadows just because they wanted to make a better life for themselves and their families.
In a perfect society with no crimes this is ideal, but don’t you think some bad apples will eventually get through? I just want them to try and limit the bad apples as much as possible.
 
As far as transphobia is concerned it wasn’t till about a few years ago that it was largely considered a mental health problem. As someone who is constantly around people who have mental problems I feel that going along with their delusions is not helpful and post surgery suicide rates prove it. There’s another way out there to help these people. And remind me how I am a xenophobe, I welcome what I don’t know always like to learn. So try again with the blank insults.

You need to start doing your own research, because this **** is really easy to find:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

Background:

Suicide rate and suicidal tendencies among transgender persons are considerably high compared to general population. Hence, this review is an attempt to understand the issues around the suicide and suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

Methodology:
The literature search conducted using three sources, i.e., electronic databases (PubMed, ProQuest, Google Scholar, PsycInfo), manual search (library catalog), and gray literature (consultation with experts).

Results:
The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.
 
In a perfect society with no crimes this is ideal, but don’t you think some bad apples will eventually get through? I just want them to try and limit the bad apples as much as possible.

There's bad apples in ALL groups. What groups do you know of that don't have "bad apples". In fact, that gets to the VERY basis of Kaep's protest! If you apply your exact sentence but make the subject "law enforcement officers" instead of "immigrants" you would be saying the same thing as him lol!
 
You need to start doing your own research, because this **** is really easy to find:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

Background:

Suicide rate and suicidal tendencies among transgender persons are considerably high compared to general population. Hence, this review is an attempt to understand the issues around the suicide and suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

Methodology:
The literature search conducted using three sources, i.e., electronic databases (PubMed, ProQuest, Google Scholar, PsycInfo), manual search (library catalog), and gray literature (consultation with experts).

Results:
The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.

The rates of transgender suicide post surgery is still way higher than average norms so it suggest that there is a deeper problem then being the wrong gender. Their suicide rates are far higher than blacks during slavery. Do you honestly think trans people have it worse now that blacks during slavery? Unfortunately we still don’t know much about transgenderism and how to properly treat it, but I think it’s clear to say surgery isn’t working.
 
There's bad apples in ALL groups. What groups do you know of that don't have "bad apples". In fact, that gets to the VERY basis of Kaep's protest! If you apply your exact sentence but make the subject "law enforcement officers" instead of "immigrants" you would be saying the same thing as him lol!
In regards to law enforcement I do say that. That’s why I cannot say all cops are racist and hate blacks like some will preach. Are there some evil racist bigots, of course. However I think their are more good cops then bad.
 
snkrfollower snkrfollower I know where you guys are coming from and the way you guys think because I use to be you. Back as a teenager and young 20’s I was saying the same stuff you guys were and bringing up the same arguments. To me blacks and minorities could do no wrong, and whites were this evil racist group of people. It wasn’t until college around the Michael brown shooting happened that I said wait a minute, and started looking at the reality and the facts.

I'm a 40 year old white guy in New England who has seen every level of racism--especially against blacks--among family, friends, teammates, co-workers, acquaintances and complete strangers. A great many white people ARE racist, because they've gone so long with it being acceptable. And they're more racist when they're not around any minorities and think everyone is in on the joke and they can talk like it's 1943 again. I have ended friendships and called out close family members (father, uncle) in public for their racist ****. Enabling it is just as bad as believing in it yourself.

[I don’t agree with some things of Kaeps message but some things I do. I personally felt he could of had more supporters and listeners had he did a league wide strike or march on Washington or something else. The flag is just an idea wrapped in cloth to me, but to others it’s much more. So when they see this dude what appears to them as disrespect they immediately are turned off. I felt he could of grabbed these people who are supporting that’s all I’m saying.

These people would never have agreed with Kaep's message, and that's obvious because they are willfully conflating his protest with the flag/anthem/military/America. To think that he would have gotten more support from conservatives, RW, or racists by simply calling a press conference or starting a foundation instead of taking a knee before a football game is pollyanna-ish.
 
The rates of transgender suicide post surgery is still way higher than average norms so it suggest that there is a deeper problem then being the wrong gender. Their suicide rates are far higher than blacks during slavery. Do you honestly think trans people have it worse now that blacks during slavery? Unfortunately we still don’t know much about transgenderism and how to properly treat it, but I think it’s clear to say surgery isn’t working.

What on earth are you talking about? How the hell to do conflate suicide during slavery with trans suicide rates?

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And the research paper said it clearly - these people are essentially tormented by others who will not accept them for wanting to be the people they feel they were born to be.
 
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I'm a 40 year old white guy in New England who has seen every level of racism--especially against blacks--among family, friends, teammates, co-workers, acquaintances and complete strangers. A great many white people ARE racist, because they've gone so long with it being acceptable. And they're more racist when they're not around any minorities and think everyone is in on the joke and they can talk like it's 1943 again. I have ended friendships and called out close family members (father, uncle) in public for their racist ****. Enabling it is just as bad as believing in it yourself.



These people would never have agreed with Kaep's message, and that's obvious because they are willfully conflating his protest with the flag/anthem/military/America. To think that he would have gotten more support from conservatives, RW, or racists by simply calling a press conference or starting a foundation instead of taking a knee before a football game is pollyanna-ish.

Yea maybe it’s just wishful thinking don’t know. I don’t doubt there’s a lot of whites who are closeted racist I would be a full not to. There’s probably a lot of sjws on NT who throw around the n word while rapping songs but still think they ain’t racist themselves. I got black and white family members I can say I’ve never heard a racist things out of there mouths. My black side that’s a different story. The racist stuff and terms that some black family use is just disgusting, they grew up in a time where you just had to hate whites and still carry it today. It’s crazy.
 
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What on earth are you talking about? How the hell to do conflate suicide during slavery with trans suicide rates?


And the research paper said it clearly - these people are essentially tormented by others who will not accept them for wanting to be the people they feel they were born to be.

You stated trans suicide rates were high because of bully and not accepting who they were. That’s nonsense. Even in slavery times, blacks who were dehumanized and treated much worse didn’t have suicide rates anywhere close to that. The reason we don’t accept them is bc it’s not true. To quote the man himself Ben Shapiro “you cannot defy basic biology” a man is a man and a woman is a women you can’t change it.
 
Idk. Mods I think it’s seriously time to lock this thread. Their’s no more meaningful discussion anymore, and we have gotten way off topic imo. Thread has probably caused more division than anything. Pls no more threads about race, religion, or politics this ain’t the place for it. Just keep NT for sneakers.
 
Idk. Mods I think it’s seriously time to lock this thread. Their’s no more meaningful discussion anymore, and we have gotten way off topic imo. Thread has probably caused more division than anything. Pls no more threads about race, religion, or politics this ain’t the place for it. Just keep NT for sneakers.

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Espn should stick to sports.

Lebron should shut up and dribble.

Now “just keep NT for sneakers”

:rofl:

Thread isn’t going anywhere, get comfortable!
 
Idk, but mods I s


Yea maybe it’s just wishful thinking don’t know. I don’t doubt there’s a lot of whites who are closeted racist I would be a full not to. There’s probably a lot of sjws on NT who throw around the n word while rapping songs but still think they ain’t racist themselves. I got black and white family members I can say I’ve never heard a racist things out of there mouths. My black side that’s a different story. The racist stuff and terms that some black family use is just disgusting, they grew up in a time where you just had to hate whites and still carry it today. It’s crazy.

Well, for your sake I would pray your white relatives don't say racist **** around you since you said you're "brown" (I presume mixed-race). But that sure as hell doesn't mean they're not saying it when you're not around.

Let me put it to you this way: I like a whole range of stuff - sneakers, streetwear, hip-hop, alt country, classic movies and radio, sports and... NASCAR. Yeah, I like watching cars going around in circles. I can explain why sometime, but my point is, I kind of float in a mess of weird completely different circles.

Now, NASCAR fans are pretty much the EXACT people we see complaining about Kaep's protests and the NIKE ad, and defending cops in all circumstances by using every defense possible ("he probably committed a crime anyway," "he should have been more compliant," "he shouldn't have been holding that phone when it looked like a gun," etc.). Now these are almost entirely white folks at these races, and increasingly older but with a smattering of 20-40 year olds there, too. When you have 60,000-120,000 similar people gathered in one place, the extremes tend to show just how extreme they are, because they think they're essentially in a "safe space" for it. So you end up seeing the confederate flags, the racist/misogynist/homophobic slogans, and the attitude that "we're all friends here, right?" It's what you see at Trump rallies, and it gets the feel of a WWE event. If you've ever been to a WWE event, everyone knows it's entertainment, but there are a few people who think it's really-real and want to see actual carnage break out. And that **** is contagious, and suddenly more and more people start to either forget or ignore the entertainment aspect and demand the carnage.

That WWE mindset, the primal mob mentality, especially in these groups of white people with some/many holding racist views is really, really dangerous, not just to random black dudes that might get harassed, chased, attacked or worse, but to our entire national fabric because it can create (and is in fact creating) a culture of fear, distrust, discord and of hate. Just like one racist white guy in an adult hockey league locker room might get some of the other 20 or so guys to think it's ok, 100 racists in a crowd of thousands will make a good number of those thousands think it's OK, and they'll do the same thing the next time they're in a big gathering like that.

What Kaep is doing is getting these people to take their attitudes away from these white "safe spaces" and bringing them into these other worlds where these views aren't accepted (like here at NT - and I'm not saying you're one of them or anything like that, but we've seen examples of it from others here in this thread already). And I think it's imperative to always say to these people "this **** doesn't fly here, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and let the 21st century move on without you, because you obviously don't belong in it."
 
Well, for your sake I would pray your white relatives don't say racist **** around you since you said you're "brown" (I presume mixed-race). But that sure as hell doesn't mean they're not saying it when you're not around.

Let me put it to you this way: I like a whole range of stuff - sneakers, streetwear, hip-hop, alt country, classic movies and radio, sports and... NASCAR. Yeah, I like watching cars going around in circles. I can explain why sometime, but my point is, I kind of float in a mess of weird completely different circles.

Now, NASCAR fans are pretty much the EXACT people we see complaining about Kaep's protests and the NIKE ad, and defending cops in all circumstances by using every defense possible ("he probably committed a crime anyway," "he should have been more compliant," "he shouldn't have been holding that phone when it looked like a gun," etc.). Now these are almost entirely white folks at these races, and increasingly older but with a smattering of 20-40 year olds there, too. When you have 60,000-120,000 similar people gathered in one place, the extremes tend to show just how extreme they are, because they think they're essentially in a "safe space" for it. So you end up seeing the confederate flags, the racist/misogynist/homophobic slogans, and the attitude that "we're all friends here, right?" It's what you see at Trump rallies, and it gets the feel of a WWE event. If you've ever been to a WWE event, everyone knows it's entertainment, but there are a few people who think it's really-real and want to see actual carnage break out. And that **** is contagious, and suddenly more and more people start to either forget or ignore the entertainment aspect and demand the carnage.

That WWE mindset, the primal mob mentality, especially in these groups of white people with some/many holding racist views is really, really dangerous, not just to random black dudes that might get harassed, chased, attacked or worse, but to our entire national fabric because it can create (and is in fact creating) a culture of fear, distrust, discord and of hate. Just like one racist white guy in an adult hockey league locker room might get some of the other 20 or so guys to think it's ok, 100 racists in a crowd of thousands will make a good number of those thousands think it's OK, and they'll do the same thing the next time they're in a big gathering like that.

What Kaep is doing is getting these people to take their attitudes away from these white "safe spaces" and bringing them into these other worlds where these views aren't accepted (like here at NT - and I'm not saying you're one of them or anything like that, but we've seen examples of it from others here in this thread already). And I think it's imperative to always say to these people "this **** doesn't fly here, go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and let the 21st century move on without you, because you obviously don't belong in it."

Yea I feel you. My only concern is that I think this stuff is too engrained into our roots. It’s just who we are, and unless we get some crazy do over, it may stay like this.
 
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Espn should stick to sports.

Lebron should shut up and dribble.

Now “just keep NT for sneakers”

:rofl:

Thread isn’t going anywhere, get comfortable!
In what way is this thread been productive. If anything it has gotten us to be more divided exactly what these higher powers want. Us bickering over stuff that doesn’t mean anything in the end.
 
Idk. Mods I think it’s seriously time to lock this thread. Their’s no more meaningful discussion anymore, and we have gotten way off topic imo. Thread has probably caused more division than anything. Pls no more threads about race, religion, or politics this ain’t the place for it. Just keep NT for sneakers.

Time ****ing out.

I just stayed up til 1:38 in the morning having a discussion with you about all of the stuff you've been piping, feeding you facts, references and links to show where your beliefs are misguided or based on pure fallacy, and now you're saying "let's close the thread - it's not going anywhere"?!?!?

You hijack the damn thing and then have the balls to call the mods to close it down because you may actually *GASP* learn something or have your worldview challenged?

WTF

Whatever respect I was trying to have for you was just thrown out the window with that post, and I'm actually disgusted with myself for engaging with you tonight. You're a clown.

You can G.T.F.O.H. if you don't wanna be in it, and we can continue to discuss the impact of Kaep's protests, and the Nike campaign without you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...
 
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