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You don't just hit people with shovels though.
NYC HS Football Star Stabbed and Killed by Parking Lot Attendants *Fight vid on pg. 5*
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You don't just hit people with shovels though.
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I would question them w/o throwing hands....it should be a secure lot, but it's NYC. Could have been the attendants, it could have been someone that broke into their car, it could have been misplaced. All signs point to the attendants taking the cologne, but there's the possibility that something else could have happened to it.
*I usually don't park at lots, but do they have signs that say "_____ is not responsible for lost/stolen items?"
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I would question them w/o throwing hands....it should be a secure lot, but it's NYC. Could have been the attendants, it could have been someone that broke into their car, it could have been misplaced. All signs point to the attendants taking the cologne, but there's the possibility that something else could have happened to it.
*I usually don't park at lots, but do they have signs that say "_____ is not responsible for lost/stolen items?"
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It just wouldn't be Niketalk without a pair of idiots...So lets see..HIS FATHER starts the fight, HIS FATHER starts hitting dudes, and what if he saw HIS FATHER getting beat up OR what if he was trying to break the fight up and then unfortunately had to get stabbed while doing so? If I saw my father getting beat up, whether he started the fight or not, I'm going in to help him..So maybe you should try to think, its not that hard......Originally Posted by mondaynightraw
Originally Posted by Epidemik The Great
so him and his dad jumped some attendants with shovels and #$+@ and he ended up gettin stabbed...
he shouldn't have gotten killed, but......
Pretty much. No sympathy from me.
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It just wouldn't be Niketalk without a pair of idiots...So lets see..HIS FATHER starts the fight, HIS FATHER starts hitting dudes, and what if he saw HIS FATHER getting beat up OR what if he was trying to break the fight up and then unfortunately had to get stabbed while doing so? If I saw my father getting beat up, whether he started the fight or not, I'm going in to help him..So maybe you should try to think, its not that hard......Originally Posted by mondaynightraw
Originally Posted by Epidemik The Great
so him and his dad jumped some attendants with shovels and #$+@ and he ended up gettin stabbed...
he shouldn't have gotten killed, but......
Pretty much. No sympathy from me.
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Wait so the attendant is carrying around a shank and they haven't charged him?
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Wait so the attendant is carrying around a shank and they haven't charged him?
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you guys love to take news stories so literally. police reports (and brief news stories) are more of an overview of the situation, rather than a detailed account. meaning.. when dude's father drove back to the lot, nobody knows how he approached the attendants/how the attendants responded/if the attendants struck him first, prompting him to get the shovel, etc. the father could've been defending his family for all we know.
you guys always love to vilify whoever the police pinpoint as the bad guy like you work for them.
you guys always love to vilify whoever the police pinpoint as the bad guy like you work for them.
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you guys love to take news stories so literally. police reports (and brief news stories) are more of an overview of the situation, rather than a detailed account. meaning.. when dude's father drove back to the lot, nobody knows how he approached the attendants/how the attendants responded/if the attendants struck him first, prompting him to get the shovel, etc. the father could've been defending his family for all we know.
you guys always love to vilify whoever the police pinpoint as the bad guy like you work for them.
you guys always love to vilify whoever the police pinpoint as the bad guy like you work for them.
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Very sad, I wonder if his life would have been saved, had they just called 9-1-1 right away. Clinics aren't meant for this type of thing and unfortunately there's sometimes a mentality of avoiding hospitals at all costs.
I took a class not too long ago and my professor would tell all sorts of stories about his days at a clinic in the south BX. On several occasions robbers who got stabbed by their would be victims, would flea to the clinic with life threatening injuries thinking they would get some sort of asylum. All that would end up happening was he would immediately call the police and the police would escort the criminals to the hospital.
I took a class not too long ago and my professor would tell all sorts of stories about his days at a clinic in the south BX. On several occasions robbers who got stabbed by their would be victims, would flea to the clinic with life threatening injuries thinking they would get some sort of asylum. All that would end up happening was he would immediately call the police and the police would escort the criminals to the hospital.
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Very sad, I wonder if his life would have been saved, had they just called 9-1-1 right away. Clinics aren't meant for this type of thing and unfortunately there's sometimes a mentality of avoiding hospitals at all costs.
I took a class not too long ago and my professor would tell all sorts of stories about his days at a clinic in the south BX. On several occasions robbers who got stabbed by their would be victims, would flea to the clinic with life threatening injuries thinking they would get some sort of asylum. All that would end up happening was he would immediately call the police and the police would escort the criminals to the hospital.
I took a class not too long ago and my professor would tell all sorts of stories about his days at a clinic in the south BX. On several occasions robbers who got stabbed by their would be victims, would flea to the clinic with life threatening injuries thinking they would get some sort of asylum. All that would end up happening was he would immediately call the police and the police would escort the criminals to the hospital.
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if the dude had the shank... then i think its pretty clear that the guy stole the cologne (you know circumstancial evidence)
damn tho.... gotta keep your head up and your eyes open.
and let cats catch fair ones. one on one.
damn tho.... gotta keep your head up and your eyes open.
and let cats catch fair ones. one on one.
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if the dude had the shank... then i think its pretty clear that the guy stole the cologne (you know circumstancial evidence)
damn tho.... gotta keep your head up and your eyes open.
and let cats catch fair ones. one on one.
damn tho.... gotta keep your head up and your eyes open.
and let cats catch fair ones. one on one.
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He couldn't control his temper -- and it cost his son his life.
A hotheaded Bronx dad who thought two parking attendants stole his coveted cologne ignited a bloody brawl that left his football-star son dead just hours after his high-school graduation, sources said yesterday.
Isayah Muller, 19, was stabbed to death Tuesday when he rushed to help his dad, Andre, a violent career criminal who allegedly was pummeling an attendant he suspected of stealing the $200 fragrance he kept in his car.
"He died in my arms," Isayah's emotional girlfriend, Penny Mentis, told The Post yesterday.
The Truman HS running back's father was still wearing a shirt drenched in his son's blood at his arraignment in Bronx Criminal Court yesterday on charges of assault, criminal possession of a weapon and harassment as Isayah's sobbing mother -- who's pregnant with twins -- and 20 other devastated relatives looked on.
Andre later walked from the courtroom in a clean T-shirt after posting $10,000 bond.
Mentis recalled yesterday the tragic chain of events on a day that was supposed to be for celebrating.
She said that after Andre parked his car at around 9:30 a.m. in the MT Jerome Town lot at 2801 Jerome Ave., he doused himself and his son with the expensive cologne for the Truman graduation ceremony at Lehman College.
At about 3:30 p.m., they left the ceremony to head to a family celebration at a City Island restaurant.
After the feast, the group -- which included Andre, his son, his wife, Mentis and Isayah's grandmother -- complained they all smelled like their meal of shrimp, lobster and oysters.
Andre reached for the cologne he kept tucked between the driver's door and seat, but it was gone.
Without telling his family where he was headed, the enraged dad dropped off the grandmother and sped back to the garage.
Andre furiously confronted garage attendants Ramon Hernandez, 51, and Joselin Encarnacion, 32, accusing them of swiping the pricey scent.
"There's a $200 bottle of cologne missing!" he screamed, sources said. The attendants denied the theft and even let Andre search their office, they told cops.
Andre freaked out when he couldn't find the cologne and allegedly landed a vicious punch on Hernandez's jaw and repeatedly pounded him.
The terrified attendant grabbed a chair and machete to ward off the attack, but the raging ex-con then picked up a shovel and struck Hernandez, leaving a deep gash on his arm, cops said.
Encarnacion pulled a homemade knife and jumped in to protect his pal, cops said.
Mentis, feeling nauseated after the meal, said Isayah at first stayed in the car holding her hand, but became concerned that his father was taking too long.
Seeing his father fighting with the attendants, Isayah rushed to protect his dad -- and Encarnacion allegedly stabbed the teen once in the chest, piercing his heart.
Andre gave up the fight and hurried his wounded son back to the car.
"[Isayah] just said, 'Mom, let's go home,' " a tearful Mentis said.
Then Mentis noticed the blood.
"His eyes rolled back in his head, he threw up, he seemed to lose consciousness," she said.
Andre sped to a clinic about 10 blocks away, with Mentis cradling Isayah's head, but his wounds were too severe to be treated there. He was rushed to St. Barnabas Hospital, where he died at around 6 p.m.
Andre, prosecutors said, fled from the hospital when cops arrived to investigate, but he was arrested later, after he returned to check on his son.
One of the parking attendants, Hernandez, told The Post he and his colleague were just fighting for their lives.
"I was trying to hold the shovel back. If not, [Andre] would have killed me," he said through a Spanish translator.
He said he grabbed the machete intending only to scare Andre.
"We have a machete in case of emergencies. I wanted to scare him, so I took the machete and swung it at him to scare him and not to hit him," he said.
Cops recovered the shovel and homemade knife in the lot and the machete from the office.
Some of the brawl -- but not the actual stabbing -- was caught on the lot's surveillance video.
Police interviewed the attendants, who have no prior criminal records, at the 52nd Precinct station house, but they were not charged. A Bronx grand jury will make the determination.
Hernandez said he regretted that Isayah was killed -- but blamed the elder Muller for the fight.
"I feel very sad about what happened. I feel that they were the reason for what happened," he said.
Andre Muller has a lengthy rap sheet and was once wanted for a North Carolina murder, although the charge was later dropped due to a lack of evidence.
He did two stretches in New York prisons -- from 1992-1997, for a gunpoint robbery in Manhattan, and from 2000-2006, for selling heroin to an undercover cop. He also has prior arrests for drug possession, robbery and reckless endangerment.
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Holy @%$@.... ALL of this could have been avoided
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He couldn't control his temper -- and it cost his son his life.
A hotheaded Bronx dad who thought two parking attendants stole his coveted cologne ignited a bloody brawl that left his football-star son dead just hours after his high-school graduation, sources said yesterday.
Isayah Muller, 19, was stabbed to death Tuesday when he rushed to help his dad, Andre, a violent career criminal who allegedly was pummeling an attendant he suspected of stealing the $200 fragrance he kept in his car.
"He died in my arms," Isayah's emotional girlfriend, Penny Mentis, told The Post yesterday.
The Truman HS running back's father was still wearing a shirt drenched in his son's blood at his arraignment in Bronx Criminal Court yesterday on charges of assault, criminal possession of a weapon and harassment as Isayah's sobbing mother -- who's pregnant with twins -- and 20 other devastated relatives looked on.
Andre later walked from the courtroom in a clean T-shirt after posting $10,000 bond.
Mentis recalled yesterday the tragic chain of events on a day that was supposed to be for celebrating.
She said that after Andre parked his car at around 9:30 a.m. in the MT Jerome Town lot at 2801 Jerome Ave., he doused himself and his son with the expensive cologne for the Truman graduation ceremony at Lehman College.
At about 3:30 p.m., they left the ceremony to head to a family celebration at a City Island restaurant.
After the feast, the group -- which included Andre, his son, his wife, Mentis and Isayah's grandmother -- complained they all smelled like their meal of shrimp, lobster and oysters.
Andre reached for the cologne he kept tucked between the driver's door and seat, but it was gone.
Without telling his family where he was headed, the enraged dad dropped off the grandmother and sped back to the garage.
Andre furiously confronted garage attendants Ramon Hernandez, 51, and Joselin Encarnacion, 32, accusing them of swiping the pricey scent.
"There's a $200 bottle of cologne missing!" he screamed, sources said. The attendants denied the theft and even let Andre search their office, they told cops.
Andre freaked out when he couldn't find the cologne and allegedly landed a vicious punch on Hernandez's jaw and repeatedly pounded him.
The terrified attendant grabbed a chair and machete to ward off the attack, but the raging ex-con then picked up a shovel and struck Hernandez, leaving a deep gash on his arm, cops said.
Encarnacion pulled a homemade knife and jumped in to protect his pal, cops said.
Mentis, feeling nauseated after the meal, said Isayah at first stayed in the car holding her hand, but became concerned that his father was taking too long.
Seeing his father fighting with the attendants, Isayah rushed to protect his dad -- and Encarnacion allegedly stabbed the teen once in the chest, piercing his heart.
Andre gave up the fight and hurried his wounded son back to the car.
"[Isayah] just said, 'Mom, let's go home,' " a tearful Mentis said.
Then Mentis noticed the blood.
"His eyes rolled back in his head, he threw up, he seemed to lose consciousness," she said.
Andre sped to a clinic about 10 blocks away, with Mentis cradling Isayah's head, but his wounds were too severe to be treated there. He was rushed to St. Barnabas Hospital, where he died at around 6 p.m.
Andre, prosecutors said, fled from the hospital when cops arrived to investigate, but he was arrested later, after he returned to check on his son.
One of the parking attendants, Hernandez, told The Post he and his colleague were just fighting for their lives.
"I was trying to hold the shovel back. If not, [Andre] would have killed me," he said through a Spanish translator.
He said he grabbed the machete intending only to scare Andre.
"We have a machete in case of emergencies. I wanted to scare him, so I took the machete and swung it at him to scare him and not to hit him," he said.
Cops recovered the shovel and homemade knife in the lot and the machete from the office.
Some of the brawl -- but not the actual stabbing -- was caught on the lot's surveillance video.
Police interviewed the attendants, who have no prior criminal records, at the 52nd Precinct station house, but they were not charged. A Bronx grand jury will make the determination.
Hernandez said he regretted that Isayah was killed -- but blamed the elder Muller for the fight.
"I feel very sad about what happened. I feel that they were the reason for what happened," he said.
Andre Muller has a lengthy rap sheet and was once wanted for a North Carolina murder, although the charge was later dropped due to a lack of evidence.
He did two stretches in New York prisons -- from 1992-1997, for a gunpoint robbery in Manhattan, and from 2000-2006, for selling heroin to an undercover cop. He also has prior arrests for drug possession, robbery and reckless endangerment.
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Holy @%$@.... ALL of this could have been avoided
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How are you guys saying no sympathy and he deserved it? They just didn't walk up to him and started fighting. His father told the attendants that something, the cologne, was stolen from his car from there all hell broke loose. It wasn't just cologne. It was gift from father to son commemorating his graduation, an achievement in life.
Sad that this happened though. Nassau Community College isn't a slouch when it comes to athletics specifically football. Had he done well enough there he could have played D1-A football as they are a hotbed for recruiting at the JC level.
Sad that this happened though. Nassau Community College isn't a slouch when it comes to athletics specifically football. Had he done well enough there he could have played D1-A football as they are a hotbed for recruiting at the JC level.
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How are you guys saying no sympathy and he deserved it? They just didn't walk up to him and started fighting. His father told the attendants that something, the cologne, was stolen from his car from there all hell broke loose. It wasn't just cologne. It was gift from father to son commemorating his graduation, an achievement in life.
Sad that this happened though. Nassau Community College isn't a slouch when it comes to athletics specifically football. Had he done well enough there he could have played D1-A football as they are a hotbed for recruiting at the JC level.
Sad that this happened though. Nassau Community College isn't a slouch when it comes to athletics specifically football. Had he done well enough there he could have played D1-A football as they are a hotbed for recruiting at the JC level.
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Exactly what I figured.....Dude was trying to protect his hot headed father...But of course dummies in this thread has the need to pass judgment on the kid..RIP
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Exactly what I figured.....Dude was trying to protect his hot headed father...But of course dummies in this thread has the need to pass judgment on the kid..RIP
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His father said his son was a good kid (according to my boy). He promised when he make it to the NFL that he was gonna take care of the whole family.
Shame
And the news story kind of over exaggerated the fact that the father had a violent past. Yes, maybe when he was in his younger days, but he did a good job raising his son.
And the news story kind of over exaggerated the fact that the father had a violent past. Yes, maybe when he was in his younger days, but he did a good job raising his son.
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His father said his son was a good kid (according to my boy). He promised when he make it to the NFL that he was gonna take care of the whole family.
Shame
And the news story kind of over exaggerated the fact that the father had a violent past. Yes, maybe when he was in his younger days, but he did a good job raising his son.
And the news story kind of over exaggerated the fact that the father had a violent past. Yes, maybe when he was in his younger days, but he did a good job raising his son.
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All blame goes to the idiot father. Separate him permanently from civil society, please.
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All blame goes to the idiot father. Separate him permanently from civil society, please.
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Sad story all around. RIP to the Young man. Wish those affected the very best.