***Official 2009 N.L. Central Thread*** Congrats to the Cardinals***

Originally Posted by CurtisCarter23

Originally Posted by tylerdub

I want to celebrate the fact that we are in 1st and I want to celebrate Sori's grand Slam from the six spot, but I have a question. Why didnt it happen sooner?

The Cubs, should be in first place. They have a massive payroll and a team that is built to win it all. I am not gonna celebrate that we finally got there. In such a mediocre division we should have been all along.

Why did it take so long to make Sori bat lower in the order? It is clearly better for him and the team. Why wasnt this adjustment made sooner? I have a hard time being excited when I feel like there is so much bumbling going on.
We have only been at full strength for 1 game this season. Its not like we got regular ole joe schmo getting hurt... DL- Aramis, Lilly, Dempster, Soto, Harden, Lee... These are all above avg players. It just finally seems like we are putting it together! Kinda off topic, BUT I wish their was a way the cubs could trade Soto for Victor Martinez.
I know, I know. I just feel so.... muted, I guess. Injuries can change entire seasons. I think that can be especially true in baseball. On theother hand take a look at the Dodgers. They lost Manny for 50 games and they still destroyed the competition. I wish I had seen some of that from the Cubs. Iguess 2 seasons in a row of being swept in the playoffs makes Tyler a sad boy. To loosely paraphrase my man Jack.
Martinez is very nice and I certainly wish Soto were playing like him.
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Originally Posted by tylerdub

Originally Posted by CurtisCarter23

Originally Posted by tylerdub

I want to celebrate the fact that we are in 1st and I want to celebrate Sori's grand Slam from the six spot, but I have a question. Why didnt it happen sooner?

The Cubs, should be in first place. They have a massive payroll and a team that is built to win it all. I am not gonna celebrate that we finally got there. In such a mediocre division we should have been all along.

Why did it take so long to make Sori bat lower in the order? It is clearly better for him and the team. Why wasnt this adjustment made sooner? I have a hard time being excited when I feel like there is so much bumbling going on.
We have only been at full strength for 1 game this season. Its not like we got regular ole joe schmo getting hurt... DL- Aramis, Lilly, Dempster, Soto, Harden, Lee... These are all above avg players. It just finally seems like we are putting it together! Kinda off topic, BUT I wish their was a way the cubs could trade Soto for Victor Martinez.
I know, I know. I just feel so.... muted, I guess. Injuries can change entire seasons. I think that can be especially true in baseball. On the other hand take a look at the Dodgers. They lost Manny for 50 games and they still destroyed the competition. I wish I had seen some of that from the Cubs. I guess 2 seasons in a row of being swept in the playoffs makes Tyler a sad boy. To loosely paraphrase my man Jack.
Martinez is very nice and I certainly wish Soto were playing like him.
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Now imagine if they lost... Kemp, Eithier, billingsley or loney at points during the season! No way in helltheyd be where they are now.

[color= rgb(0, 0, 255)]Im not sad, im depressed![/color]

Bright side is... Most teams in the NL Central have been pretty healthy and they still couldnt build a big enough lead on us. This is a very important week forthe cubs. If they can sweep or take 3 of 4 from houston, that would give us a little breathing room from them. If the dodgers can take a couple from St. louiswe would have a nice lead for the time being.
 
Originally Posted by CurtisCarter23

Originally Posted by tylerdub

Originally Posted by CurtisCarter23

Originally Posted by tylerdub

I want to celebrate the fact that we are in 1st and I want to celebrate Sori's grand Slam from the six spot, but I have a question. Why didnt it happen sooner?

The Cubs, should be in first place. They have a massive payroll and a team that is built to win it all. I am not gonna celebrate that we finally got there. In such a mediocre division we should have been all along.

Why did it take so long to make Sori bat lower in the order? It is clearly better for him and the team. Why wasnt this adjustment made sooner? I have a hard time being excited when I feel like there is so much bumbling going on.
We have only been at full strength for 1 game this season. Its not like we got regular ole joe schmo getting hurt... DL- Aramis, Lilly, Dempster, Soto, Harden, Lee... These are all above avg players. It just finally seems like we are putting it together! Kinda off topic, BUT I wish their was a way the cubs could trade Soto for Victor Martinez.
I know, I know. I just feel so.... muted, I guess. Injuries can change entire seasons. I think that can be especially true in baseball. On the other hand take a look at the Dodgers. They lost Manny for 50 games and they still destroyed the competition. I wish I had seen some of that from the Cubs. I guess 2 seasons in a row of being swept in the playoffs makes Tyler a sad boy. To loosely paraphrase my man Jack.
Martinez is very nice and I certainly wish Soto were playing like him.
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Now imagine if they lost... Kemp, Eithier, billingsley or loney at points during the season! No way in hell theyd be where they are now.

[color= rgb(0, 0, 255)]Im not sad, im depressed![/color]

Bright side is... Most teams in the NL Central have been pretty healthy and they still couldnt build a big enough lead on us. This is a very important week for the cubs. If they can sweep or take 3 of 4 from houston, that would give us a little breathing room from them. If the dodgers can take a couple from St. louis we would have a nice lead for the time being.
I am actually starting to feel better about this team. 11 wins in the last 14 games is very good regardless of who you play against. Soriano isstarting to do what we all know he can do. Milton is getting on base and Derrek Lee looks just great. Ramirez is getting there, Dempster is back in therotation and Lilly should be back in 3 weeks. Now if Soto can just start hitting when he gets back.
Okay i am going to do an about shift. A couple weeks back I was moaning about being impatient for football. I will now allow myself to get a little excitedabout the Cubs.
Lets get some WINS!!!
 
Good win even after Oswalt went down.
I knew Valverde would do some kind of you cant see me when he struck out Big Z
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Now lets go Dodgers
 
Wow.......I thought this game would end up 1-0. Role players come thru and score 10 runs.

0 hits 1 Run and 2 BB............He is sucking forreal right now.......Back at 1 :P
 
Originally Posted by arstyle27

Back in second.
Exactly where you guys belong


[h3]Cards bump Wellemeyer from rotation[/h3]Boggs to be recalled from Triple-A to start on Friday


By B.J. Rains / MLB.com

07/28/09 7:32 PM ET

ST. LOUIS -- Struggling starter Todd Wellemeyer -- owner of the second-worst ERA in the Major Leagues at 5.79 -- has been moved to the Cardinals' bullpen as he tries to work out his problems.

Wellemeyer (7-9) has just one win since June 17 and has given up at least four earned runs in each of his past three starts. The Cardinals made the move in part because nine off-days in the final two months of the season means they will need a fifth starter just six or seven more times this season.

Rookie Mitchell Boggs will be recalled from Triple-A Memphis to take Wellemeyer's spot in the rotation on Friday against the Houston Astros, but a timetable wasn't given beyond that.

"[Wellemeyer's] spot doesn't come open after those off-days for a while, so we will just play it by ear as we go along," said manager Tony La Russa. "We don't lack any confidence in what he's capable of doing, but he's been struggling and there is different things you can do when a guy is struggling and this is one of them. I think he understands."

The Cardinals have lost three consecutive games started by Wellemeyer, who has given up five or more earned runs in seven of his 20 starts and has had an ERA above 5.00 since May 7.

"I'm going to make it a good thing for me, that's all there is to it," Wellemeyer said. "There's no other option. There's no other way to look at it.

"It will be different, that's for sure. I haven't done it in 400-something innings. We're just going to see what happens. We have to just switch up and see how it goes."

Wellemeyer made one appearance in relief for the Cardinals before the All-Star break on July 12 but hasn't pitched exclusively out of the bullpen since 2007. He has made 125 career relief appearances for the Cubs, Marlins, Royals and Cardinals since entering the Major Leagues in 2003.

He holds a career record of 6-9 and a 5.32 ERA out of the bullpen, almost a run higher than his career ERA as a starter of 4.36.

"The way the schedule works and keeping everybody else on a regular schedule makes sense," Wellemeyer said. "It will be fine. I'll get some good appearances out there and hopefully throw up some zeros and feel good.

"I feel good. But instead of just feeling good, I have to pitch good. I have the feeling good down, so now we're just going to go after pitching and try to dominate. The first half of the year I felt terrible and couldn't get anything and now I feel great, as far as mechanics go. I just have to make the best out of it."

Boggs, who was scratched from his scheduled start for Memphis on Tuesday night, gave up just one earned run in his last three starts before learning of his promotion.

B.J. Rains is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

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[h3]Six-run sixth returns Cards to first place[/h3]Wainwright tosses eight shutout innings for 12th victory


By B.J. Rains / MLB.com

07/29/09 1:52 AM ET
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ST. LOUIS -- It wasn't the most dominating eight scoreless innings you will ever see, but Cardinals starter Adam Wainwright will surely take it.

The righty allowed eight hits and got in several jams on Tuesday night but got out of all of them, holding Los Angeles off the board as the Cardinals combined Wainwright's performance with six runs in the sixth inning to beat the Dodgers for the second straight day, 10-0, at Busch Stadium.

The win moved the Cardinals back ahead of the Chicago Cubs and into first place in the NL Central after the Cubs lost, 11-6, to the Houston Astros earlier in the night.

Wainwright allowed a baserunner in each of the first six innings and put two men on base in four of them. But that's when he seemed to be at his best, bearing down to keep the Dodgers off the board.

"There were a lot of situations where if he doesn't make a great pitch, they could have busted it open," Cardinals manager Tony La Russa said. "To his credit, he made a lot of good pitches in key situations."

Wainwright left nine Dodgers on base in the first six innings before retiring the final six hitters he faced in the seventh and eighth.

"Wainwright has been in big situations," third baseman Mark DeRosa said. "He's been the closer in a World Series run. He's tough. He's been in tight situations where he's had to make key pitches and he continuously does it. He definitely pitches way, way beyond his years."

The starter was also aided by several strong defensive plays, including a double play in the fourth started by a diving stop and throw from his knees by DeRosa.

Shortstop Brendan Ryan also made two highlight-reel plays, one on a spinning play up the middle and then on a backhanded stop and throw from deep in the hole to his right.

"Playing with Brendan Ryan every day, the appreciation for me has skyrocketed," DeRosa said. "This guy can flat-out play defense. I'd be hard-pressed to find a better shortstop defensively in the game right now. The guy shows up every day. He's a high-energy guy. He makes plays. Sometimes it's not just the offense that can energize a club, it's making good plays defensively, and he's done it time and time again since I've been here."

The Dodgers seemed primed to take the lead in the sixth when they put runners at first and third with one out. But Wainwright again buckled down, getting Matt Kemp to fly out to short right before striking out pitcher Chad Billingsley to end the threat and keep the game scoreless.

"That was a big turning point for us," Wainwright said. "We got a little momentum riding in there. When [Billingsley] was throwing the way he was throwing, my main focus was to just keep going and outlast him because I knew with our offense -- we kind of have like the Rams, when they won the Super Bowl, that kind of offense, that quick-strike offense. So I knew if I just settled in there and kept throwing up zeros that eventually, even though he was pitching a great game, I knew our offense would get to him."

And get to him they did. Billingsley headed to the mound for the bottom of the sixth with a one-hitter going, but the Cardinals got him for six runs in the inning. After intentionally walking Matt Holliday to load the bases, Billingsley got burned by a Ryan Ludwick single up the middle that made it 2-0 Cardinals.

"That was probably the biggest at-bat of the game," La Russa said. "That was huge.

"He proved it last year and now he's swinging good, he's very, very tough with men in scoring position. That's why he had the 100-plus RBIs."

Yadier Molina followed with a two-run single to make it 4-0, and after Ryan was walked intentionally with Wainwright on deck, the Cardinals pitcher singled to left to make it 5-0.

Skip Schumaker singled against reliever Claudio Vargas to make it 6-0 before the 11th batter of the inning, DeRosa, struck out to end the inning.

DeRosa then launched his sixth homer in his past eight games in the eighth to make it 10-0 before the Dodgers brought in infielder Mark Loretta to pitch in mopup duty.

Wainwright struck out five and walked one in his eight innings, finishing three outs short of the first shutout of his career. He improved to 12-6 on the season and his ERA dropped to 2.80.

"Every time I take the ball, I consider myself the best pitcher in the league," Wainwright said. "Whether I am or not, I have to have that feeling for me to be as good as I can be.

"If you put up zeros, you're not going to lose."

The Cardinals' offense has averaged 6.4 runs in the five games since newcomers Holliday and Julio Lugo joined the lineup on Friday, and they improved to 3-2 in that span.

"It's still July, but at the same time, I think us coming together as a group, we realize this is probably the team that we are going to finish out the year with," DeRosa said. "There's a lot of talent up and down the lineup. Our pitching staff is strong, our bullpen is strong. So we expect to go out and play well.

"We're having a lot of fun."

B.J. Rains is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

I still can't believe the Cards blanked the Dodgers 10 - 0
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. Too bad the rest of our rotation can't deliver like Carpenter & Wainwright.
 
Gonna be interesting from here on out. I think the Cubs are starting to really hit a stride and I just dont believe in the Cards.
 
Last night's loss was pathetic. Oswalt goes down, no Berkman, what the hell more do you want?
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Better get back on track today.
 
tylerdub wrote:
Gonna be interesting from here on out. I think the Cubs are starting to really hit a stride and I just dont believe in the Cards.
A cubs fan that doesn't believe in the Cards, I am in utter shock
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Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN

tylerdub wrote:
Gonna be interesting from here on out. I think the Cubs are starting to really hit a stride and I just dont believe in the Cards.
A cubs fan that doesn't believe in the Cards, I am in utter shock
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I am breaking new ground with that one.
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Since the pen worked a ton last night, I hope Cooper keeps Hampton in for at least 6-7 innings today. Workin out ok so far.
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The effects of not having good SP and overusing the bull all season. Coop is forced to keep Hampton in the game
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Man Wells is just a damn good young pitcher. He got no strikeouts, he just keeps makin them put the ball in play, gets double plays, never beats himself. Ilike this guy.
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Hope he can go another inning or two and rest the pen for tomorrow if needed.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

Man Wells is just a damn good young pitcher. He got no strikeouts, he just keeps makin them put the ball in play, gets double plays, never beats himself. I like this guy.
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Hope he can go another inning or two and rest the pen for tomorrow if needed.


I swear if the Stros hit into another DP im gonna kick the screen. Must be some inducing breaking pitches he's throwing.
 
Statis22 wrote:

I swear if the Stros hit into another DP im gonna kick the screen. .
I hope your screen is ok.
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Look at it this way, that DP in the 9th is the last one they'll hit into today.
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