:: Official 2009 NBA Draft Thread ::

And dudes were laughing at me when i said Flynn would win ROY.

Jennings has little to NO shot cracking the starting lineup until the middle of the season. And if he came to the Knicks (which I highly doubt as we are takingHoliday, Flynn or Hill), Duhon would start with Jennings taking the second team.
 
And dudes were laughing at me when i said Flynn would win ROY.

Jennings has little to NO shot cracking the starting lineup until the middle of the season. And if he came to the Knicks (which I highly doubt as we are takingHoliday, Flynn or Hill), Duhon would start with Jennings taking the second team.
 
And dudes were laughing at me when i said Flynn would win ROY.

Jennings has little to NO shot cracking the starting lineup until the middle of the season. And if he came to the Knicks (which I highly doubt as we are takingHoliday, Flynn or Hill), Duhon would start with Jennings taking the second team.
 
And dudes were laughing at me when i said Flynn would win ROY.

Jennings has little to NO shot cracking the starting lineup until the middle of the season. And if he came to the Knicks (which I highly doubt as we are takingHoliday, Flynn or Hill), Duhon would start with Jennings taking the second team.
 
And dudes were laughing at me when i said Flynn would win ROY.

Jennings has little to NO shot cracking the starting lineup until the middle of the season. And if he came to the Knicks (which I highly doubt as we are takingHoliday, Flynn or Hill), Duhon would start with Jennings taking the second team.
 
And dudes were laughing at me when i said Flynn would win ROY.

Jennings has little to NO shot cracking the starting lineup until the middle of the season. And if he came to the Knicks (which I highly doubt as we are takingHoliday, Flynn or Hill), Duhon would start with Jennings taking the second team.
 
There is some certainty to the Ricky Rubio-Grizzlies blinking contest. Not a final solution, not a mediated peace treaty that clears the way for Memphis to pick him at No. 2 on Thursday if so desired, but at least some understanding in NBA circles, among those familiar with the approach of agent Dan Fegan and the thinking in some front offices, of what really is happening and what it means.

Foremost: The Fegan power play is nothing personal about Memphis itself. Fegan would be fine if Rubio ended up in Sacramento, and that's a small-market team with zero stability. This is about the Grizzlies' roster, with people around the league being told how much coach Lionel Hollins likes incumbent point guard Mike Conley, the concern by the Rubio camp that O.J. Mayo may be the point guard of the future anyway in the Gilbert Arenas mold, and, bottom line, Fegan not thinking Rubio will have the chance to properly develop there.

The growing league-wide sentiment is that the Grizzlies won't select Rubio, but by their own choice rather than being scared off. Adding size is simply more pressing and Conley still has promise. Trading out of the spot is possible. If not, Connecticut center Hasheem Thabeet is the logical choice. "That's who they're taking," a rival personnel boss said. "The rest is smoke. Bet on it."
That's from SI.com

Basically what I said earlier about the problem being the guard situation moreso than where the team is located and how the team spends money.
 
I think it depends on if Jennings goes to a team where he gets PT. I always thought he was better then Bassy by just watching him.


Its amazing how much workouts do for guys.

Jonny must have killed it becuase he keeps jumping higher on peoples list and he isn't even a true point.
 
I don't think Jennings can average that his rookie year. The NBA is a different game, so he's gonna be weaker than most dudes he plays. He couldaverage that stat line for a month, but not for 82 games.
 
I would be shocked if the Knicks took Jennings. To me, Jennings is the exact opposite of what the Knicks are trying to do. He just seems like the prototypicalIsiah Thomas-guy. Talented but doesn't get the team concept. Curry aside, I think Flynn (who has impressed everyone with his leadership and focus) fitsbest in the Donnie Walsh/Dantoni era.
 
Originally Posted by kix4kix

Just an observation, I saw Daye walking Downtown with Wolves personnel in Minneapolis the other day. Last wolves player I saw given the same treatment (Love) got drafted to them. I say he doesn't slip past 18. I still don't see why you guys aren't giving curry love. He is BETTER than Juan dixon was in college, and will be better in the pros. Better Shot, and actually faster, when I saw him play St. Mary's I realized dude is legit. Give him 10 lbs and he is good IMO.


Pg 54 of the other thread....


Originally Posted by JPZx

Austin Daye will not get past the Minnesota Timberwolves at No. 18.

It had already been evident that Daye had a guarantee in the top 20 and I confirmed that rumor. Then, I was told by sources that he was a lock to go in the top 18. After researching this scenario, I discovered that the team that gave him a guarantee is the Timberwolves at No. 18.

This certainly makes sense because the Timberwolves have a history of drafting big-time college players from well-known schools, and because of the team's youth, Minnesota can afford to gamble on players with a lot of potential. And they can certainly do so this year, as the Timberwolves have three first round picks. Daye, Al Jefferson, Kevin Love, Randy Foye and whichever guard they select with the No. 6 pick could form an exciting young lineup over the next few years.

There's certainly a chance Daye could be picked before No. 18, but it is more likely that Daye will end up in Minnesota.
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An inside source with the Houston Rockets told me earlier today that a potential trade with the Memphis Grizzlies fell through. The deal would have involved Houston sending Tracy McGrady and Aaron Brooks to Memphis for the Grizzlies' second overall pick in the 2009 draft and, possibly, an additional Grizzlies player.

No word on who made the offer, as well as who declined it. All I was told is that the deal was on the table and it one of the parties rejected it.

All signs point to Memphis GM Chris Wallace proposing the deal Houston GM Daryl Morey. Morey has stated that McGrady is not on the table, and while Houston may eventually try to move him, it won't be this week.

The fact that Brooks' name was also mentioned makes this a no-brainer for Morey and certainly nullifies the use for this report. But I thought that I would let everyone know, as this is a reliable source (told me about the Nicolas Batum/Donte Greene deals in advance). At least we know for sure that teams are interested McGrady.

And again, to keep everyone in the loop, as Morey said earlier, the most likely scenario is that we don't acquire a pick. If we do, it will be from the late first round to the mid second round.
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2009/6/22/921680/source-trade-with-memphis


The writer speculates that the Grizz made the offer, but I think it was the other way around. Nevertheless, a healthy Tmac would bring the fans in.
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T-Mac on the Grizzlies....that just wouldn't work
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That rumor that bhzmafia14 posted from SI.com seems like the most legit rumor I've heard so far for some reason.The Grizzlies seem genuinely content with picking Thabeet at the #2 spot...even though I don't see how that would work. Gasol is 7'1" and Thabeetis 7'3"...both of these guys should be starting on a daily basis (although I could see Thabeet riding the bench for 1/3 of the season or so).

Once they both get in the starting lineup...that will be one slow frontcourt.

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Just to put my two cents in....

Does bhz have some homer-istic takes here and there? Yes...but it's obvious he has far more knowledge concerningthe Grizzlies than the rest of us do and the stuff he's saying about Chris Wallace seems valid.
 
My frustration with the lack of coverage of the NBA Draft on ESPN (as a barometer of all sports media) is only exacerbated by the astronomical amount of timethey devote to the NFL Draft. Not that I couldn't get the information I want easily through the net... but their NFL coverage is beyond redundant anduseless (and somewhat sickening).
 
Originally Posted by red mpls

My frustration with the lack of coverage of the NBA Draft on ESPN (as a barometer of all sports media) is only exacerbated by the astronomical amount of time they devote to the NFL Draft. Not that I couldn't get the information I want easily through the net... but their NFL coverage is beyond redundant and useless (and somewhat sickening).


ESPN been slacking for years on draft coverage. A casual fan wouldn't even know when the draft was if they watched ESPN
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NFL Draft is BOREDOM. NFL draft talk > Actual Draft

NBA draft talk = NBA draft
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Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Originally Posted by Long Beach Vincey

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Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

I want Terrence Williams in a Mavericks jersey so damn bad...
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Why?
He's always struck me as a D-Wade lite. .
wait WHAT?
A variant D-Wade. Williams has some crazy athleticism and has a ton of bounce off the dribble. Just needs to develop the jumper and his handle alot.. but the way he attacks the basket is why I mentioned Wade's name granted Williams is a tad taller.
 
Originally Posted by kix4kix

Originally Posted by red mpls

My frustration with the lack of coverage of the NBA Draft on ESPN (as a barometer of all sports media) is only exacerbated by the astronomical amount of time they devote to the NFL Draft. Not that I couldn't get the information I want easily through the net... but their NFL coverage is beyond redundant and useless (and somewhat sickening).
ESPN been slacking for years on draft coverage. A casual fan wouldn't even know when the draft was if they watched ESPN
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NFL Draft is BOREDOM. NFL draft talk > Actual Draft

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I miss the NBA Draft on TNT...Hubie Brown saying "athleticism" > ESPN's coverage of the NBA Draft.
 
Is NBATV going to have their version of the draft?

Kind of like what the NFL Network did this year.
 
Celtics shop Rondo, Allen to Detroit

The Boston Celtics appear willing to make major roster changes to balance a chance for a championship run and future financial flexibility.
The Celticsoffered Ray Allen(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes) and RodneyStuckey(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Boston general manager Danny Ainge and Detroit's Joe Dumars never spoke, but rather the Celtics had a lower-level executive make the pitch to a Pistonsofficial over the past weekend, league sources said. Detroit immediately rejected the idea, and it never advanced to the two top executives speaking aboutparticulars.

This isn't an uncommon occurrence for a GM like Ainge to dispatch an underling to make that kind of a call, if for no other reason to give the topexecutive some level of deniability that he's shopping his stars.

This isn't the first time that Allen, a six-time All-Star, has been mentioned in trade talks this summer. Allen, who will soon turn 34, has an expiringcontract of nearly $20 million, for next season. Rondo, 24, a rapidly developing point guard, has been publically termed off-limits by Ainge in tradediscussion this summer. Nevertheless, his name found a way into this conversation. Rondo averaged 11.9 points, 8.2 assists and 5.2 rebounds in the regularseason, and had three triple-doubles in the Celtics' playoff run this season.

Boston is unlikely to re-sign Allen to a long-term extension next summer, and there is belief around the league that the Celtics have hesitancy aboutcommitting a long-term, expensive contract to Rondo.

There has been some friction with Rondo, largely based on maturity. No issues with him are insurmountable, but Ainge has never minded shopping ideas around theleague. Nevertheless, it's hard to imagine a deal that Boston could do with these two players that would give them a chance to stay a championshipcontender around Kevin Garnett(notes) and Paul Pierce(notes).

For the Pistons, this deal makes little sense, unless they wanted to let Allen's expiring deal gain even more salary cap space for the free-agent class of2010. The idea of trading his three best returners for an expiring contract and one good young player wasn't worth considering for Dumars, sources said.

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Damn, that trade from the Mock Draft wasn't too far-fetched afterall
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Now watch that Clip/Bucks trade go down......
Mike Dunleavy and Olshey haven't ruled out the possibility of acquiring another pick on or before Thursday's draft.

"We're going to try to jump into the draft," Olshey said. "We've proven in the last year or so, we're not afraid to make transactions. Some have worked, some haven't. But we've been as active as any team in the league and we're going to continue to do that straight through Thursday night."

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ESPN writer Henry Abbott :
I was nearly ready to write him off and admit that perhaps his critics had him pegged, a year or two at Arizona would've done him some good ... and then they started scrimmaging. Three on three -- more or less a twenty-minute fast break with those guys.

Suddenly Jennings remembered who he was and started moving with the type of swagger that I'd read about. On the first possession of the scrimmage he cleanly picked off a pass and beat Flynn in a footrace for an emphatic two-hander. A few possessions later he took an outlet from Holiday and sprinted down the left side. After beating Lawson with a stutter step, he picked up the ball and put it behind his back to avoid Evans' help defense. Then he flicked a no-look over his shoulder to Jrue for the easy dunk.

Onlookers collectively gasped.

Two of the next four possessions ended with Jennings freezing his man and hitting 18-footers.

I'm not comfortable saying Jennings should be the player Minnesota takes sixth, especially if Evans is available (I'm seriously impressed). But I can't think of a player in the draft with more upside than Brandon Jennings.
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This is the first year I've followed all of the major prospects, so I think every single one of the draftee's is going to be a stud in the NBA...
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Jesus Christ...Rubio is 6'5 in shoes. That's 2 inches taller than I thought he would be.

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Rubio​
POSTED: June 22 -- 11:32 p.m. ET Chad Ford: The Sacramento Kings finally got their wish on Monday … Ricky Rubio in their gym. Unfortunately for Rubio and the Kings, he was playing one-on-none after going a month without picking up a basketball. The results shouldn't be much of a surprise to anyone. Several sources surrounding the Kings said Rubio didn't blow anyone away. Of course he didn't. Rubio is a pass-first point guard who makes everyone around him better in a five-on-five game. In a one-on-none I wouldn't expect him to be great. He's not going to shoot the lights out. He's not going to put up highlight-reel dunks. He's just not that type of player. But they did get to see him live. They got his measurements (6-foot-5 in shoes with a 6-foot-7 wingspan). They got to check out his body language and English skills. Most importantly, the Kings got word that Rubio was making progress on a deal with his club in Spain, DKV Joventut, that will lower his buyout to roughly $4 million. When you factor in that Rubio will be allowed to make his payments over several years, there is no longer a huge financial impediment for Rubio to come to the draft. The question on everyone's mind right now? What will the Kings do? The answer? It depends. First there's a chance Rubio might not be there at No. 4. The word on Monday night is that it looks like Hasheem Thabeet will be the Grizzlies' pick at No. 2 if they don't trade the pick. With Thabeet gone, Thunder GM Sam Presti will decide between Rubio, James Harden and Stephen Curry. If they take Rubio, then the Kings will likely draft either Tyreke Evans or Jonny Flynn. If Rubio is on the board, it will be a pretty tough decision. As we've written previously, this is a debate about upside versus present value. Evans and Flynn are ready to play now. No question. Rubio? It may take him a while to adjust (though some in the league think he's actually more ready to play in the NBA after years of experience playing pro ball in Spain). I don't think there's any question that Rubio has the most upside of the group. Given the fact that the Kings are so dreadful at the moment, wouldn't they choose the best player for the long-term health of the franchise? It depends. Most members of the Kings' front office staff are in the last year of their contracts. Do they want to stick their necks out for Rubio when they could take a safer pick like Evans or Flynn? You get the picture. If the Kings pass, a number of teams are trying to get Washington's pick at No. 5. Presumably Rubio is the target of at least some of the Wizards' suitors. The Timberwolves at No. 6 are also high on Rubio. So are the Knicks at No. 8.
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Holiday​
POSTED: June 22 -- 7:55 p.m. ET Chad Ford: UCLA's Jrue Holiday was feeling the pressure. He was in New York today for a callback with the Knicks -- a team he would love to go to at No. 8. His first audition wasn't all that it should've been. He was overshadowed by more experienced players like Stephen Curry and Gerald Henderson. He struggled to shut down Curry defensively. He got frustrated. A little down. And then those old feelings of self-doubt, the ones that were on display all season at UCLA, started creeping up. The Knicks were down on his first workout, but recognized that he could do better and invited him back to New York on Monday -- this time against Miami's Jack McClinton. The result? "He was much, much better today," one Knicks source told ESPN.com. "He shot the ball better, played with confidence -- he's a special player." The question is … is he special enough to overtake Brandon Jennings on the Knicks' draft board? As of Sunday night, the Knicks had Jennings ranked slightly ahead. Jennings' workout in New York was full of sizzle and bravado and surprised the Knicks' brass, who thought he'd be less polished. Basketball guru Sonny Vaccaro, who orchestrated Jennings' year in Italy this past season, began telling people that Jennings was going to prove everyone wrong on draft night -- alluding to New York as a possible destination, according to sources who talked to Vaccaro. Is Sonny speaking too soon? The word I got out of New York on Monday was mixed. On the one hand, the Knicks had originally had Holiday ranked higher and were persuaded that his size and versatility made him a better pick. On the other, Jennings seems to have the makeup to be a star in the NBA. Sources said Knicks president Donnie Walsh will gather his staff on Tuesday to go over the draft one more time so that they can settle on a player. Two things could still put a stop to Jennings' or Holiday's dreams of playing in New York. First, the Knicks do have other players higher on their board. If Curry, Ricky Rubio, Tyreke Evans or Jordan Hill were on the board, I think they'd take them over Jennings or Holiday. Second, the Knicks have had talks with the Wizards about acquiring the No. 5 pick. If the Knicks draft a point guard there, they'd likely go in another direction with their second first-round pick. Their offer was Larry Hughes for Etan Thomas and Mike James and the fifth pick. The Wizards were once high on Hughes and are in the market for a veteran player who can propel the team to a championship right now. They'd save some money in the deal, get a player who could help them … but is that enough for the No. 5 pick? The Wizards are entertaining lots of other offers right now and the Knicks' offer of Hughes may not be enough. • The word around the league is that Hasheem Thabeet canceled his workout in Memphis on Sunday in part because he's confident that the Thunder will take him with the No. 3 pick in the draft. How confident is a subject of debate. A few sources say Thabeet got a promise from the Thunder over the weekend. However a source close to Thabeet says he doesn't have a promise and feels there's still a good chance that Memphis takes him at No. 2 -- despite Thabeet's objections. • There's been a lot of speculation the past few weeks that the Pistons may trade their pick at 15. Not true, according to Detroit sources. "We're in a position to add two to three players through free agency and to add a couple of players through the draft," the source said. "No need for us to move our pick for an extra $1.4 million of cap space." As for all the talk that the Pistons promised everyone from B.J. Mullens to Earl Clark at No. 15. "It's totally B.S.," the source said. "Why would we promise someone in this draft? So many scenarios are still playing themselves out. Anything could happen. We're just going to be content to let whoever falls to us fall." • The Rockets are actively hunting for a team willing to trade its lottery pick. Their offer? Carl Landry. I love Landry, but not sure he's worth a lottery pick. Then again, in this draft … maybe.
 
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