Official 2016-2017 NBA Season Thread - NBA rules Chris Bosh has a career ending injury

[statis22]

What does that have to do with saying there weren't more great defenders back then? What is Kawhi going to do with MJ? Gobert with Hakeem? Draymond with Shaq? Not a gaddamn thing.

Exactly. That small ball stuff wouldn't work back then. People think GS is getting killed in the paint now. It would be 10 times worse if they tried this in that era.

The Bulls used to close games with a frontcourt of Pippen/Kukoc/Rodman doe

 

[wavycrocket]

Who are the truly great defenders of today?
Kawhi
Dray
Gobert


Good
Klay
Giannis (just this season)
PG13
Jimmy B
Bradley
Tony Allen

Greats from yesteryear:
Pippen
MJ
Payton
Hakeem
Stockton
Rodman
Artest

Good
Robinson
Dumars
Mutumbo
Duncan
KG
Kidd
Big Ben

I mean c'mon man.

You listed an entire era vs like 2 yrs.

List is invalid without Dwight and Cp3

 

[Proposition Joe]

I always admire the fascination with the 90's. that era is teflon.

 

[ill steelo]

That's because of the NBA telling refs to call fouls more strictly.
I'm sure the elite point guards of today would adapt to the 90s refs just fine. They would probably get hurt more, but there isn't really a basis to a performance dip.

James Harden EATS at the line. If he's not getting the calls it's not a stretch to say his scoring would take a hit.

Most of Harden's attempts come from goading you into reaching and then he brings the ball up.

That's a foul in any era.

 

[MVP]

I don't believe all those guys were great at the same time.

They're all from the same iso ball era that spanned the 90s-mid 2000s.

 

[mister friendly]

Who are the truly great defenders of today?
Kawhi
Dray
Gobert


Good
Klay
Giannis (just this season)
PG13
Jimmy B
Bradley
Tony Allen

Greats from yesteryear:
Pippen
MJ
Payton
Hakeem
Stockton
Rodman
Artest

Good
Robinson
Dumars
Mutumbo
Duncan
KG
Kidd
Big Ben

I mean c'mon man.

You listed an entire era vs like 2 yrs.

List is invalid without Dwight and Cp3

Yep.

 

[mister friendly]

He needs to do to the list in eras.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I don't believe all those guys were great at the same time.

Comparing 1 season to decades like KG, Wallace, Bowen, CP, Dwight and likes of them were in a different era

 

[the collector]

So like his points per game would just drop 1 or 2 ppg if he gets fouled "a little less", big whoop.
Players adapt to the rules. The good ones will find the best way to get points even if it's not flashy.

Here's the overall point I'm tryna make. These players wouldn't be the same. You just said Harden would have to adjust. Is he capable of adjusting while maintaining the same production?

You can't simply say Harden averages 25 plus now and expect him to be plugged in while being just as effective. Jordan got to the line 8-12 times a game. He's the greatest player of all time. Harden and others wouldn't get MJ treatment. I doubt they'd get to the line as much.

 

[JD617]

 

You realize MJ was averaging 8-12 free throw attempts a game, right?

How many free throws would you average bro?

Depends. If it was someone like Iguodala guarding me, I'd just back him down easily and give him a little head fake. 8+ FTAs easy.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

How would y'all feel if everybody played like harden? League would be unwatchable

 

[MVP]

He needs to do to the list in eras.

All those guys from yesteryear played in the same era, iso ball, handchecking, etc. Added CP0 and Dwert.

 

[Proposition Joe]

Here's the overall point I'm tryna make. These players wouldn't be the same. You just said Harden would have to adjust. Is he capable of adjusting while maintaining the same production?

You can't simply say Harden averages 25 plus now and expect him to be plugged in while being just as effective. Jordan got to the line 8-12 times a game. He's the greatest player of all time. Harden and others wouldn't get MJ treatment. I doubt they'd get to the line as much.

Lebron James would absolutely be the same

 

[noblekane]

if you aint never been in that era dont ever talk about that era. cuz you wouldnt understand that era. so stay the **** out of that convo

 

[MVP]

Comparing 1 season to decades like KG, Wallace, Bowen, CP, Dwight and likes of them were in a different era

Who's comparing one season? The only qualifier was Giannis. Everyone else has been a good too great defender for at least a few seasons.

 

[carver]

Not having cp3 on that list smh

 

[the collector]

Lebron James would absolutely be the same

LeBron is a top 10 all time great who's 6'7 and built like a weight lifter with speed and high basketball IQ. I agree he'd eat off being a freak of nature.

 

[noblekane]

Lebron James would absolutely be the same

lebron would still be indestructable cuz that ***** on steroids

 

[MVP]

Not having cp3 on that list smh

I forgot him it's been corrected.

 

[EddieDoyers]

So like his points per game would just drop 1 or 2 ppg if he gets fouled "a little less", big whoop.
Players adapt to the rules. The good ones will find the best way to get points even if it's not flashy.

Here's the overall point I'm tryna make. These players wouldn't be the same. You just said Harden would have to adjust. Is he capable of adjusting while maintaining the same production?

You can't simply say Harden averages 25 plus now and expect him to be plugged in while being just as effective. Jordan got to the line 8-12 times a game. He's the greatest player of all time. Harden and others wouldn't get MJ treatment. I doubt they'd get to the line as much.

Given how defenses were less intricate in the 90s compared to now, I think Harden would be shooting at a similar rate of efficiency even with fouls being called more loosely

 

[Quincy McCall]

Who's comparing one season? The only qualifier was Giannis. Everyone else has been a good too great defender for at least a few seasons.

 That's like 30 years to 3-4 maybe, little unfair tbh

 

[tyevvyotcu]

harden would feast in older eras
dudes would be on an island with him without being able to help
he's probably one of the best iso players ever and he's playing against way more conplex team defenses than mj did
cmon now

 

[nick.]

How would y'all feel if everybody played like harden? League would be unwatchable

League would be crazy if everyone was an elite scorer & playmaker

 

[wavycrocket]

No Josh Smith or AK47

Criminal

 

[carver]

Every game would take 3x longer with all the freethrows they gonna be shooting