**OFFICIAL 2019 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD**

[freeze]

Seriously . But even if that was the case, a bunch of people were saying it's perfectly fine for a team to shutdown a player. It's bad for the league if the player shuts himself down tho

It is. These are two different scenarios. They're not equal.

 

[moe200069]

What's the difference between what AD did as a player and what the Clippers did to Blake?

one party makes the contract, the other party signs it and is bound to it. unless blake demanded a no-trade clause, clippers' front office could've traded him to the shanghai sharks if they wanted to.

 

[IATT]

i'd argue, that a bigger issue for the league is what happened with boston and their ability to take a flyer on AD because they had kyrie under contract at that particular distinction

boston had the assets and may have been willing to pull a PG/kawhi type gamble with AD.. and then maybe they could convince kyrie AND AD to stick around if things go well

new orleans also suffered because they couldnt play the celtics and lakers against each other and get the better deal, since celtics had to wait til the offseason.. which added other aspects for celtics to consider, plus they dont get the extra postseason run with dude

 

[MVP]

one party makes the contract, the other party signs it and is bound to it. unless blake demanded a no-trade clause, clippers' front office could've traded him to the shanghai sharks if they wanted to.

I follow.

So basically y'all trying to argue that it's ok for a team to trade a player under any circumstance, regardless of how soon after they signed their contract and in dubious circumstances (ie Harrison Barnes).

And it's only ok for a player to ask to be traded in the offseason and he has to have only a year left on his contract at most. Except for PG of course who asked for one after signing a new deal last summer.

Yea this is all about just *****ing about the Lakers and nothing else.

 

[freeze]

I follow.

So basically y'all trying to argue that it's ok for a team to trade a player under any circumstance, regardless of how soon after they signed their contract and in dubious circumstances (ie Harrison Barnes).

And it's only ok for a player to ask to be traded in the offseason and he has to have only a year left on his contract at most. Except for PG of course who asked for one after signing a new deal last summer.

Yea this is all about just *****ing about the Lakers and nothing else.

lol this has nothing to do with the lakers g.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

It is. These are two different scenarios. They're not equal.

So like what Kawhi did when he shut himself down even tho he was cleared to play?

 

[wavycrocket]

What's the difference between what AD did as a player and what the Clippers did to Blake?

Teams been cut throat. I get that. Once again, not fully agreeing with Kerr.

I see what he was saying as speaking to the larger issue and potential this could be if it “becomes a trend”. Like, what’s stopping a dude from signing a 5 year deal with his team...and in year 2.5 of 5....looks at a destination where the grass looks greener and demands a trade or threaten to shut it down etc.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Teams been cut throat. I get that. Once again, not fully agreeing with Kerr.

I see what he was saying as speaking to the larger issue and potential this could be if it “becomes a trend”. Like, what’s stopping a dude from signing a 5 year deal with his team...and in year 2.5 of 5....looks at a destination where the grass looks greener and demands a trade or threaten to shut it down etc.

On the other hand what's stopping teams from convincing players that they're committed to them long term when the whole time they have every intention of trading them to Detroit to fast track their rebuild?

 

[D StaXX]

lol this has nothing to do with the lakers g.

Come on now. Has anyone even criticized PG for making the move?

Teams been cut throat. I get that. Once again, not fully agreeing with Kerr.

I see what he was saying as speaking to the larger issue and potential this could be if it “becomes a trend”. Like, what’s stopping a dude from signing a 5 year deal with his team...and in year 2.5 of 5....looks at a destination where the grass looks greener and demands a trade or threaten to shut it down etc.

Ehh.. this won't become a trend because it only works for elite players. Most mid to low level guys don't have the leverage to make these kind of moves.

 

[MVP]

Teams been cut throat. I get that. Once again, not fully agreeing with Kerr.

I see what he was saying as speaking to the larger issue and potential this could be if it “becomes a trend”. Like, what’s stopping a dude from signing a 5 year deal with his team...and in year 2.5 of 5....looks at a destination where the grass looks greener and demands a trade or threaten to shut it down etc.

Nothing PG just did it. But it wasn't a trade demand to the Lakers. That's what it boils down to. You can demand a trade and nobody will have outrage in the league, unless it's to the Lakers. Then all hell breaks loose.

I thought y'all were all about player empowerment. This whole time y'all been backing 'THE MAN' smh.

 

[freeze]

So like what Kawhi did when he shut himself down even tho he was cleared to play?

his personal doctors didnt clear him to play though.

 

[SpittaJetLife]

MVP is the typical salty Laker fan. Must hurt to watch his team trade their future away for one year with Always Damaged.

 

[wavycrocket]

at this. But proof we need more of “us” in these places.



Blog boyz ok with me...but it’s largley the white hipster crew. Marcus Thompson kinda touched on this, in a pod on warriors world a while back.

**** it. I’m Bout to start a pod .

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Bottom line is unless the governors are ready to make no trade clauses commonplace, they have no right to complain about players demanding trades for any reason. Blake got traded while playing the best ball of his life and had dudes calling him an MVP candidate. He did his part and still got traded because there was never any intention to build around him. There's no real way to rationalize that governors should have that power but players can't. There is no explanation.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

his personal doctors didnt clear him to play though.

Exactly. He went outside the team and shut himself down. The Spurs cleared him and were trying to pressure him to play. That's what's bad for the league. A KD situation where players damage their careers. The league is probably gonna have its best ratings, attendance, revenue etc this season. The governors are gonna be richer than ever. I don't get what's bad for the league. If anything it puts pressure on front offices to get their **** together before guys want out

 

[moe200069]

I follow.

So basically y'all trying to argue that it's ok for a team to trade a player under any circumstance, regardless of how soon after they signed their contract and in dubious circumstances (ie Harrison Barnes).

And it's only ok for a player to ask to be traded in the offseason and he has to have only a year left on his contract at most. Except for PG of course who asked for one after signing a new deal last summer.

Yea this is all about just *****ing about the Lakers and nothing else.

contrary to the unfounded belief of "big lakers thread," this got nothing to do with the lakers bro. long term, both the pels and okc won: they got huge returns in exchange for a player who didn't want to be there anymore. but from an optics standpoint, AD and PG left their former teams in entirely different fashion.

pelicans were halfway thru the season, in the hunt for a playoff seed, and then clutch sports drops the guillotine. you can't sit there and tell me that Pels organization didn't look like a chicken with its head cut off thereafter. the way stuff played out was embarrassing for both parties.

with the way PG demanded a trade and left, there was no media circus around it. maybe not an amicable decision, but didn't seem like there was a lot of spite on display

 

[freeze]

Bottom line is unless the governors are ready to make no trade clauses commonplace, they have no right to complain about players demanding trades for any reason. Blake got traded while playing the best ball of his life and had dudes calling him an MVP candidate. He did his part and still got traded because there was never any intention to build around him. There's no real way to rationalize that governors should have that power but players can't. There is no explanation.

You should be able to request a trade. Agreed. You should be able to be traded. Agreed.

 

[HIM]

Wahh wahhh wahhh wahhh

 

[MVP]

Bottom line is unless the governors are ready to make no trade clauses commonplace, they have no right to complain about players demanding trades for any reason. Blake got traded while playing the best ball of his life and had dudes calling him an MVP candidate. He did his part and still got traded because there was never any intention to build around him. There's no real way to rationalize that governors should have that power but players can't. There is no explanation.

I want to ask wavycrocket and his legion. Y'all think Blake would have resigned with LA if he knew they were going to send him to the Night's Watch instead of the false pretenses they presented to him in that ridiculous free agent pitch with MLK and the whole Jersey retirement thing?

 

[trynafeelmink]

Nothing PG just did it. But it wasn't a trade demand to the Lakers. That's what it boils down to. You can demand a trade and nobody will have outrage in the league, unless it's to the Lakers. Then all hell breaks loose.

I thought y'all were all about player empowerment. This whole time y'all been backing 'THE MAN' smh.

Both PG & Kawhi did it... but it's AD who people have the problem with. Teams had deals DONE prior to the start of FA nobody says a word... Magic says a players name & teams are calling for an investigation

We've seen it over & over again since the CP3 Debacle, team owners/employees really dislike the Lakers and they ***** and whine every time the Lakers benefit from things they over look for every other franchise

 

[moe200069]

Wahh wahhh wahhh wahhh

KD A SNAKE!

KAWHI A SNAKE!

PG A SNAKE!

AD...

at the end of the day, i don't fully agree with Kerr. players demanding trades isn't bad for the brand. granted, if the warriors were terrible and players were leaving in droves i might feel differently, but the formation of these teams is making basketball even more of must-see TV and bringing parity. what i fully don't agree with is folks refusing to see the difference between AD and PG's trade demands

 

[wavycrocket]

I want to ask wavycrocket and his legion. Y'all think Blake would have resigned with LA if he knew they were going to send him to the Night's Watch instead of the false pretenses they presented to him in that ridiculous free agent pitch with MLK and the whole Jersey retirement thing?

Clips were cruddy. Again, I’m not pretending like the FO has never historically been on some cruddy ****. I said that 10 times already.

What I’m saying is....the context Kerr was speaking in....isn’t the context Perk and them was going at him for.

They on that whole, “now he gotta coach”...”he don’t got 5 all stars no more”....”73-9...and KD joined”....blah blah blah.

Kerr is speaking about potential and trends....and what a “contract” ultimately means. It’s a larger conversation than it’s been reduced to.

 

[N41D]

The AD situation was a train wreck. No two ways about it. It was handled poorly on both ends and it is what it is.

Comparing that to the PG situation is silly.

Either way, there does need to be protection for guys like Blake who sign a mega-deal to stay somewhere and then get dumped into obscurity without any repercussion at all.

If that's no-trade clauses, so be it, whether that's full or partial or whatever. Trades could trigger some sort of option or whatever. But the CEOs aren't giving that up without something coming back.

 

[Lizakers]

The nerve of Kerr after all the Lakers gave up for AD

He got KD for nothin, at least the Pels were very handsomely compensated

 

[MVP]

Clips were cruddy. Again, I’m not pretending like the FO has never historically been on some cruddy ****. I said that 10 times already.

What I’m saying is....the context Kerr was speaking in....isn’t the context Perk and them was going at him for.

They on that whole, “now he gotta coach”...”he don’t got 5 all stars no more”....”73-9...and KD joined”....blah blah blah.

Kerr is speaking about potential and trends....and what a “contract” ultimately means. It’s a larger conversation than it’s been reduced to.

What it boils down to if that's the case is a contract doesn't mean a damn thing except you're getting paid x amount and you'll play. If a team don't gotta honor the 'spirit' of it and can drop you as quick as the ink dries then the elite players especially should have the right to get out whenever they want. Especially since their is always going to be demand for their services above all else. Kerr should have never opened his mouth.