Official 2023 Boxing Thread:Benavidez vs Andrade 11/25 Showtime PPV

It would have been nice if ESPN stepped in and in doing so could have a strong hold on the boxing scene having both Top Rank and PBC under their umbrella. Arum and Haymon wouldn't be able to run away from each other 😂. Fights could get made easily and they could bring back Friday Night Fights.
 
Brosizzlew30.23 said:
Imagining a freak of nature like Pacquiao was "sauced to the gills" is hilarious yet he never failed a PEDS test his whole career.

But I'll play along...

Since everybody in boxing juices amd enhancements are commonplace in boxing like the fans say they are, then how come it was ONLY Pacquiao who accomplished what he accomplished?

That's a rhetorical question.

The disrespect and discrediting of Pacman's accomplishments, skills and talent that still surfaces to this day is even more laughable than what it was 10 years ago.

20-50 years from now, Pacman will be held in much higher regard than anything Floyd ever accomplished. Mark my words, bookmark this post and we'll revisit this thread in 2043. :rofl:
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We def won’t forget about this pic in 50 years. Mind you he got put to sleep by a dude that Floyd beat easily.
 

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Haven't been a huge fan of Amazon sports productions thus far (One FC and NFL TNF being my only references) so hopefully they are able to improve upon things if/when they do start airing live fights.
 
DonCigaro said:
We def won’t forget about this pic in 50 years. Mind you he got put to sleep by a dude that Floyd beat easily.
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Lmaooooo for bringing that up. Did you know Pacquiao been knocked out more than once?

How long you been watching boxing? Did you know Leonard and Chavez Sr been KTFO too?

Good one though buddy. Nice try

I guess Marquez was on PEDS during that fight too, right?

Hahahahahaha
 
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Brosizzlew30.23 said:
Lmaooooo for bringing that up. Did you know Pacquiao been knocked out more than once?

How long you been watching boxing? Did you know Leonard and Chavez Sr been KTFO too?

Good one though buddy. Nice try

I guess Marquez was on PEDS during that fight too, right?

Hahahahahaha
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Did Marquez knock out Floyd ?
 
DonCigaro said:
Did Marquez knock out Floyd ?
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Ever heard of the saying "Styles makes fights?"

But since you wanna play that childish game with common opponents (clearly you aint been watching the sport too long)...

Pacquiao beat Cotto to a bloody pulp. Floyd barely touched Cotto. In fact, Cotto gave Floyd a bloody nose.

Pacquiao made Mosley taste the canvas. Floyd couldn't do it.

Pacquiao beat the crap out of Delahoya. Floyd barely beat him

Pacquiao put Hatton to sleep in 2. It took Floyd like 10 rounds to figure him out LOL

Welcome to my conversation with Floyd nuthuggers circa 2012

We can argue til we blue in the face big dog, you ain't gonna win cause all of Floyd's die hard fans can only resort to these 3 things when discrediting Pacquiao's legacy vis a vis Floyd's:

1. The photo you posted of Pac getting ktfo, and

2. Floyd's protected "0", and

3. Accusing Pac of PEDS with zero evidence

That's all you got and you know it
 
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Both Floyd and Pac are legends in their own right. I'd say Pacquiao will be more revered than Floyd as time passes. Pac took more risks in his career. Plus, he just brought so many memorable moments to his fights even when he lost, especially to Morales (1st fight) and JmmIV/KTFO6. Those lighter weights is where he made his name and climbing 8 divisions is insane! I don't think that will ever happen again. Not for a long time at least! He didn't have to operate at welterweight and probably could have stayed at lightweight and dominated. He definitely overachieved in his career.

People generally side with the fan friendly fighter and Pacquiao really encompassed that role really well.

With Floyd, as skilled and dominant as he was, he took to the business side of boxing and pretty much formulated the path of low risk/high reward fights, that's prevalent today in the sport. And so he mastered the art of fighting the right opponent at the right time, in the right situation that favors him, but not exactly in their primes, and made a bunch of money off of that formula. Plus, he took on the villain role, and that obviously won't win the hearts of the fans, which I know Floyd could care less about.

And he won money wise, living up to his name. Great. Triumphant! But people don't care how much money you made, but moreso who you fought, if you took risks and challenged yourself, how you responded to adversity, etc. Pac did that more often than Floyd, who on the other hand played it safe.

But again, both are legends and this debate will last a lifetime and you can poke holes in each fighter's resume. I actually think both in their primes are head and shoulders above today's welterweights, barring Crawford/Spence.

I say Prime Floyd beats Spence. And I see him struggle with Crawford depending on what weight they fight at. At the lighter weights Floyd was more offensively inclined, which works in Bud's favor. But at welterweight, Bud would have to come forward and try and engage with Floyd. And so Bud would need to turn up the IQ on his end to make something happen.

As for Pacquiao, it's up in the air with both fights as he is undersized, but he has made a career of beating the bigger man and so you can't count him out. I can see him winning a close split decision against Spence. Pac's speed, volume punching, weird angles, and footwork could overwhelm Spence's one speed fighting style. But Spence at his best is a dog and could wear Pac. The Spence that lost to Crawford, loses to Pacquiao as well IMO.

He'll have a tougher time with Crawford, who's punches are dynamic and otherworldly and is stronger and has the longer reach and is fast as well. Pac would have to work extra hard and maximize his speed, footwork, angles just to hang in there with Crawford. I favor Crawford heavily in this one. Pac at his worst could get reckless and get caught with something, and Crawford's something is not to be played with.

Anyway, just my two cents on both of these legends.
 
Brosizzlew30.23 said:
Ever heard of the saying "Styles makes fights?"

But since you wanna play that childish game with common opponents (clearly you aint been watching the sport too long)...

Pacquiao beat Cotto to a bloody pulp. Floyd barely touched Cotto. In fact, Cotto gave Floyd a bloody nose.

Pacquiao made Mosley taste the canvas. Floyd couldn't do it.

Pacquiao beat the crap out of Delahoya. Floyd barely beat him

Pacquiao put Hatton to sleep in 2. It took Floyd like 10 rounds to figure him out LOL

Welcome to my conversation with Floyd nuthuggers circa 2012

We can argue til we blue in the face big dog, you ain't gonna win cause all of Floyd's die hard fans can only resort to these 3 things when discrediting Pacquiao's legacy vis a vis Floyd's:

1. The photo you posted of Pac getting ktfo, and

2. Floyd's protected "0", and

3. Accusing Pac of PEDS with zero evidence

That's all you got and you know it
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Still haven’t answered my question. Did Marquez make Floyd go night night like Manny?
 
Brosizzlew30.23 said:
Ever heard of the saying "Styles makes fights?"

But since you wanna play that childish game with common opponents (clearly you aint been watching the sport too long)...

Pacquiao beat Cotto to a bloody pulp. Floyd barely touched Cotto. In fact, Cotto gave Floyd a bloody nose.

Pacquiao made Mosley taste the canvas. Floyd couldn't do it.

Pacquiao beat the crap out of Delahoya. Floyd barely beat him

Pacquiao put Hatton to sleep in 2. It took Floyd like 10 rounds to figure him out LOL

Welcome to my conversation with Floyd nuthuggers circa 2012

We can argue til we blue in the face big dog, you ain't gonna win cause all of Floyd's die hard fans can only resort to these 3 things when discrediting Pacquiao's legacy vis a vis Floyd's:

1. The photo you posted of Pac getting ktfo, and

2. Floyd's protected "0", and

3. Accusing Pac of PEDS with zero evidence

That's all you got and you know it
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Styles do make fights and Floyd is a defensive specialist first . You can't compare the puching damage between the two
 
water runs dry said:
Both Floyd and Pac are legends in their own right. I'd say Pacquiao will be more revered than Floyd as time passes. Pac took more risks in his career. Plus, he just brought so many memorable moments to his fights even when he lost, especially to Morales (1st fight) and JmmIV/KTFO6. Those lighter weights is where he made his name and climbing 8 divisions is insane! I don't think that will ever happen again. Not for a long time at least! He didn't have to operate at welterweight and probably could have stayed at lightweight and dominated. He definitely overachieved in his career.

People generally side with the fan friendly fighter and Pacquiao really encompassed that role really well.

With Floyd, as skilled and dominant as he was, he took to the business side of boxing and pretty much formulated the path of low risk/high reward fights, that's prevalent today in the sport. And so he mastered the art of fighting the right opponent at the right time, in the right situation that favors him, but not exactly in their primes, and made a bunch of money off of that formula. Plus, he took on the villain role, and that obviously won't win the hearts of the fans, which I know Floyd could care less about.

And he won money wise, living up to his name. Great. Triumphant! But people don't care how much money you made, but moreso who you fought, if you took risks and challenged yourself, how you responded to adversity, etc. Pac did that more often than Floyd, who on the other hand played it safe.

But again, both are legends and this debate will last a lifetime and you can poke holes in each fighter's resume. I actually think both in their primes are head and shoulders above today's welterweights, barring Crawford/Spence.

I say Prime Floyd beats Spence. And I see him struggle with Crawford depending on what weight they fight at. At the lighter weights Floyd was more offensively inclined, which works in Bud's favor. But at welterweight, Bud would have to come forward and try and engage with Floyd. And so Bud would need to turn up the IQ on his end to make something happen.

As for Pacquiao, it's up in the air with both fights as he is undersized, but he has made a career of beating the bigger man and so you can't count him out. I can see him winning a close split decision against Spence. Pac's speed, volume punching, weird angles, and footwork could overwhelm Spence's one speed fighting style. But Spence at his best is a dog and could wear Pac. The Spence that lost to Crawford, loses to Pacquiao as well IMO.

He'll have a tougher time with Crawford, who's punches are dynamic and otherworldly and is stronger and has the longer reach and is fast as well. Pac would have to work extra hard and maximize his speed, footwork, angles just to hang in there with Crawford. I favor Crawford heavily in this one. Pac at his worst could get reckless and get caught with something, and Crawford's something is not to be played with.

Anyway, just my two cents on both of these legends.
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Floyd fans will say "TLDR"

Fight fans will read what you wrote and I say you pretty darn accurate
 
DonCigaro said:
Styles makes fights is an excuse for overrated fighters like pac man. Styles didn’t matter for Floyd, he beat every style in front of him and never touch the canvas like pac man.
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Like I said "Protected 0" and the greatest moneymaker, cherrypicker, marketer, and promoter of fights in the history of boxing.

That's your boy.

If "Styles make fights" is an excuse for overrated fighters like you be claiming (LMAOOOO), then how come every fighter, trainer, boxing expert, historian, etc has been uttering those words since the dawn of mankind?

It's crystal clear your ignorance proves you barely started watching boxing in 2010.
 
Brosizzlew30.23 said:
Like I said "Protected 0" and the greatest moneymaker, cherrypicker, marketer, and promoter of fights in the history of boxing.

That's your boy.

If "Styles make fights" is an excuse for overrated fighters like you be claiming (LMAOOOO), then how come every fighter, trainer, boxing expert, historian, etc has been uttering those words since the dawn of mankind?

It's crystal clear your ignorance proves you barely started watching boxing in 2010.
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Floyd is the greatest ever. 48 men attempted but 48 failed. Styles don’t matter to the Goat.
 
water runs dry said:
Both Floyd and Pac are legends in their own right. I'd say Pacquiao will be more revered than Floyd as time passes. Pac took more risks in his career. Plus, he just brought so many memorable moments to his fights even when he lost, especially to Morales (1st fight) and JmmIV/KTFO6. Those lighter weights is where he made his name and climbing 8 divisions is insane! I don't think that will ever happen again. Not for a long time at least! He didn't have to operate at welterweight and probably could have stayed at lightweight and dominated. He definitely overachieved in his career.

People generally side with the fan friendly fighter and Pacquiao really encompassed that role really well.

With Floyd, as skilled and dominant as he was, he took to the business side of boxing and pretty much formulated the path of low risk/high reward fights, that's prevalent today in the sport. And so he mastered the art of fighting the right opponent at the right time, in the right situation that favors him, but not exactly in their primes, and made a bunch of money off of that formula. Plus, he took on the villain role, and that obviously won't win the hearts of the fans, which I know Floyd could care less about.

And he won money wise, living up to his name. Great. Triumphant! But people don't care how much money you made, but moreso who you fought, if you took risks and challenged yourself, how you responded to adversity, etc. Pac did that more often than Floyd, who on the other hand played it safe.

But again, both are legends and this debate will last a lifetime and you can poke holes in each fighter's resume. I actually think both in their primes are head and shoulders above today's welterweights, barring Crawford/Spence.

I say Prime Floyd beats Spence. And I see him struggle with Crawford depending on what weight they fight at. At the lighter weights Floyd was more offensively inclined, which works in Bud's favor. But at welterweight, Bud would have to come forward and try and engage with Floyd. And so Bud would need to turn up the IQ on his end to make something happen.

As for Pacquiao, it's up in the air with both fights as he is undersized, but he has made a career of beating the bigger man and so you can't count him out. I can see him winning a close split decision against Spence. Pac's speed, volume punching, weird angles, and footwork could overwhelm Spence's one speed fighting style. But Spence at his best is a dog and could wear Pac. The Spence that lost to Crawford, loses to Pacquiao as well IMO.

He'll have a tougher time with Crawford, who's punches are dynamic and otherworldly and is stronger and has the longer reach and is fast as well. Pac would have to work extra hard and maximize his speed, footwork, angles just to hang in there with Crawford. I favor Crawford heavily in this one. Pac at his worst could get reckless and get caught with something, and Crawford's something is not to be played with.

Anyway, just my two cents on both of these legends.
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Good read. Unbiased, excellent analysis.
 
DonCigaro said:
Floyd is the greatest ever. 48 men attempted but 48 failed. Styles don’t matter to the Goat.
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Did you know Chavez was 89-0 before he lost his first fight?

Imagine.....had Chavez retired in '93 at 89-0 he would've been "TBE" in your eyes by virtue of his "0"

89-0 vs 50-0. Do the math.

You know darn well that "0" is the ONLY thing Floyd can lay claim to.

But the real boxing fans and experts know that the Best of the Best of all time all had losses, no matter how you wanna slice it.

The fact that Mayweather constantly has to say he's the greatest PROVES he ain't the greatest because......
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And oh btw.....Floyd fought 50 times not 48 LOL

Remind me again, when did you start watching boxing? :lol:
 
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