OFFICIAL COMIC BOOK THREAD

[Master Zik]

If he wasn't already during the 8 month gap.

 

[tdogg2k]

im still trying to figure out when the inhumans became more popular than the x men.



(sidenote)
bring JIM LEE back to marvel.

 

[jays25]

Yeah. Schism and all the Utopia stuff is when Cyclops started becoming more of an extremist, but he nosedived into full on Magneclops after that.

Even then, the seeds for Cyclops heading down that path go all the way back to Decimation and the decline of the Mutants from then on, with writer after writer setting Cyke up as the leader of the Mutant population. Everything since has just been him sliding down the slippery slope.

im still trying to figure out when the inhumans became more popular than the x men.

Never. That's the funny thing. Even with the push Marvel's been giving them in the last few years the Inhumans still aren't as popular as the X-Men They probably never will be.

 

[Fresh Like Will]

The Inhumans are the GoBots to the X-Men's Transformers.

 

[Master Zik]

im still trying to figure out when the inhumans became more popular than the x men.

When Fox wouldn't give back the movie rights to F4 and pissed off Ike and Feige (or at least that's been the prevalent rumor, granted I'm repeating it despite not buying in to all the details).

Marvel decided its time to push another property based on a group/team. If it wasn't Inhumans it'd be the Eternals & the Deviants. Both works of Kirby that don't have a deep back log. If not them some other group would've been pushed. Just has to start in comics first to nuture new ideas and stories.

I believe even if they didn't have another group to push they would've created one from scratch.

This was all given the green light due to the confidence they have in Marvel studios. The Inhumans movie will eventually come out in phase 4/2020 and beyond, it'll do huge #s (like most Marvel movies, doesn't need to do a billi but that'd be a plus) and then you'll see the real push for the Inhumans in comics, cartoon, etc.

Then you can be fearful of the X-Men books disappearing.

(sidenote)
bring JIM LEE back to marvel.

You do know Jim Lee is like the co-publisher or holds some other high position in DC comics right?

He even sold his independent Image property WILDSTORM comics to DC just so they could be within reach.

He's not going back to Marvel until maybe he's old and not working for either publisher and some anniversary for the X-Men come around.

Besides that Jim Lee is one of the most inconsistent slow A-list artists out there. When's the last time he's finished a complete project? Or had one come out on time?

 

[ninjahood]

The Inhumans are the GoBots to the X-Men's Transformers.

X-men is still wildly more popular than da inhumans...da general public cant even name what da hell that is.

 

[tdogg2k]

yes I know about Jim lee still my fav artist.

 

[Master Zik]

[quote name="Jays25" url="/t/329014/official-comic-book-thread/3600_100#post]

im still trying to figure out when the inhumans became more popular than the x men.

Never. That's the funny thing. Even with the push Marvel's been giving them in the last few years the Inhumans still aren't as popular as the X-Men They probably never will be.

The Inhumans are the GoBots to the X-Men's Transformers.

The Inhumans are the GoBots to the X-Men's Transformers.

X-men is still wildly more popular than da inhumans...da general public cant even name what da hell that is.

[/quote]
Rome was not built in a day.

There was a time the X-Men were cancelled cuz it wasn't doing as good as the F4 and Spider-Man. They bounced back and it took most of the late 70s and early 80s for them to establish themselves before they became really popular and by the late 80s next to Spider-Man they were #1.

I mean before the mid 2000s the Avengers were nowhere near the X-Men in popularity. Now they are far more popular in several mediums and have been for a decade now. Add on to ****tty FOX-men movies and the X-Men probably won't be more popular than the Avengers again. The X-Men keep their popularity due to out current generation for the most part. That won't last a whole lot longer. This generation of kids are getting a whole lot of Avengers and GotG thrown at them (along with the usual Spidey, Hulk, etc. stuff), something we did not get any or a whole lot of. Inhumans are around the corner.

Like I don't think the trends are hard to see in comics at least and it's probably easier for tv. Things started up with Dissasembled then we got House of M where the mutants were used and abused then the Avengers flourished on their own with Civil War and didn't look back.

Look at the past few years for the Inhumans; first we got Infinity/Inhumanity where the Avengers were used along with Marvel cosmic, now the mutants are being used and abused with m-pox/Death of X. We also have Civil War II with an Inhuman being a key plot device making the Inhumans a major 3rd party player in another hero vs hero event.

IvX is either gonna have the Inhumans winning for the most part or they both take losses and the Inhumans basically take over the X-Men and that'll be shown in Resurrexion. I can easily see things turning out where the royal family declare all mutants are now also under their protection and they sort of team up and aid the X-Men more directly. Then more popular X-Men end up in other books.

Or they just beat X-Men down and the mutants continue to take Ls for another 3-5 years.

After that, either summer of next year or 2018 there's gonna be some huge Inhuman focused event where they'll all be flourishing. Then all Marvel will be pushing is Avengers, Spidey, Inhumans, and GotG.

 

[jays25]

Mutants could take L's for the next decade and the Inhumans still wouldn't be more popular They could focus on the Inhumans more than any other property in the Marvel Universe and they still wouldn't be more popular, because people just plain don't like them like that

Also, X-Fans sometimes exaggerate or give the wrong idea concerning their property. The X-Men and Mutants haven't been receiving the best treatment in terms of events, but the point is that they're still having plenty of events, from House of M into today, with multiple Mutants having their own solo titles. Despite the fact that they're not exactly the kings of the Marvel Universe, they have certainly not been forgotten or shoved into some alternate reality to rot.

 

[tdogg2k]

exactly it's going to take an entirely new generation in order to do that. so yea rome wasn't built in a day. but marvel will get the X men before inhumans ever become popular

 

[everysingletime]

The future is unpredictable. Prior to 2014 no one would've dreamed GotG would've been mainstream popular..

Don't make any predictions regarding Inhumans till the movie comes out.

Xmen has been popular for a long time, but if you continue to stand still in a race long enough others will overtake you, no matter how much your lead is. That is where xmen is at.

 

[jays25]

Eh. I think that most of DC and Marvel's properties can become mainstream popular if given the chance. I don't however think that some of them are going to dethrone certain others.

 

[everysingletime]

Anyone can be dethroned. No one stays at the top for too long lol.

 

[tdogg2k]

Gotg had a small following already. And like antman. It wasnt meant to be super serious. A lot more family friendly and thats how they both won.
In humans will not be that way. Especially if theyre going off anything AOS has shown us

 

[jays25]

Not necessarily talking about being at the top, because X-Men aren't at the top and haven't been for a long time. Wolverine in turn isn't at the top, but a character like Daredevil or Blue Beetle is never going to be more popular than him in my opinion. Same goes for the X-Men and Inhumans thing and numerous other characters and teams. I never had any trouble believing the Avengers could become more popular than the X-Men, because they're basically the Justice League of the Marvel Universe. They're THE super team. That makes sense and they were always popular to begin with. The Inhumans though? The New Warriors? The Defenders? Naah. Some teams and characters might dip in popularity, but that only goes so far. Avengers, X-Men, Justice League, Batman, Superman, etc. Some propertiers are always going to be what they are and that's major contenders in their respective fields.

 

[tdogg2k]

Also gotg were never trying to beat out any other marvel space galaxy team.

Unlike inhumans trying to take the mantle from x men

 

[Master Zik]

Mutants could take L's for the next decade and the Inhumans still wouldn't be more popular They could focus on the Inhumans more than any other property in the Marvel Universe and they still wouldn't be more popular, because people just plain don't like them like that

Gonna disagree with this.

Pretending like its already a done deal on ppl disliking the In humans as if there is some mass dislike for them is a lie.

To me this is no different than the Avengers situation. They were the b team for decades now they're flourishing.

So saying now the Inhumans will never be popular/more popular is like somebody in the 90s saying the Avengers will never be more popular.

You don't need to aim to be more popular. Just be popular. The X-Men are already diminshed. I guess it'll take a while to realize y'all aint really getting the best work possible in the X-books.

Its like it's not even a question if Guardians of the Galaxy is more popular than the X-Men. Doesn't matter. GotG is whats popular now. Its getting all the attention. It got the cartoon. It got the a-list talent on its books. Its getting the chances for spin-off books. The same is happening for the Inhumans right now.

Once Black Bolt, Medusa and co. line up next to IM, Hulk, Spidey, etc. in some MCU movie it's over for that nobody likes the Inhumans talk. Then you'll start seeing that stuff bleed in to the Netflix shows and what not.

Also, X-Fans sometimes exaggerate or give the wrong idea concerning their property. The X-Men and Mutants haven't been receiving the best treatment in terms of events, but the point is that they're still having plenty of events, from House of M into today, with multiple Mutants having their own solo titles. Despite the fact that they're not exactly the kings of the Marvel Universe, they have certainly not been forgotten or shoved into some alternate reality to rot.

I'm not saying they're forgotten but their brand is no longer at the big boys table. The properties Marvel fully owns or have made a deal for are getting top priority.

Right now there's only 2 solo X-Men titles and they're both basically Wolverine. Rest is team books. Then there's Deadpool.

Scattering the X-Men on other team books and titles is probably gonna be the best you get for a long time.

Its the Inhumans turn now and it's only roughly been 3 years now So far of them getting a push in the comics.

yes I know about Jim lee still my fav artist.

Yeah well, I'd like Geoff Johns to come back to Marvel but I know that ain't happening for decades if ever.

Gotg had a small following already. And like antman. It wasnt meant to be super serious. A lot more family friendly and thats how they both won.
In humans will not be that way. Especially if theyre going off anything AOS has shown us

I wouldn't go in thinking the movie or any other project on screen (big or small) will be going off what was done in AoS.

exactly it's going to take an entirely new generation in order to do that. so yea rome wasn't built in a day. but marvel will get the X men before inhumans ever become popular

What makes you think that?

If anything this is the key time. Singer won't be directing the next scrappy X movie and the rights for F4 will run out in like 2 or 3 years. Thing is X-Men rights don't run out any time soon. So you're assuming a deal would be made? Only other option is FOX just gives it back.

Either way they'd have to do that before the In humans movie goes in to production. Unless they (or even a few) show up in Infinity War and the sequel. Then there's no walking it back.

Also gotg were never trying to beat out any other marvel space galaxy team.

Unlike inhumans trying to take the mantle from x men

That's where you're wrong. As far as comic purposes go they're in direct conflict but when it comes to.function the In humans do not deal with anyt of the problems the X-Men face.

They're not hated or feared. They're already an established nation and world power recognized by other governments. They don't have giant robots trying to hunt them down. They face prejudice on a much smaller scale in comparison. The metaphor they're going for isn't the mutant one at all.

The only real similarity are the new Inhumans BB caused to be and that's dealing with a future plot. Which is why on AoS the whole discovering you have powers/are different thing. Although you don't have to wait for puberty as an Inhuman.

 

[everysingletime]

Lol the Inhumans movie is likely going to completely ignore anything about Inhumans in AoS

Which is unfortunate.

 

[jays25]

Mutants could take L's for the next decade and the Inhumans still wouldn't be more popular They could focus on the Inhumans more than any other property in the Marvel Universe and they still wouldn't be more popular, because people just plain don't like them like that

Gonna disagree with this.

Pretending like its already a done deal on ppl disliking the In humans as if there is some mass dislike for them is a lie.

To me this is no different than the Avengers situation. They were the b team for decades now they're flourishing.

So saying now the Inhumans will never be popular/more popular is like somebody in the 90s saying the Avengers will never be more popular.

You don't need to aim to be more popular. Just be popular. The X-Men are already diminshed. I guess it'll take a while to realize y'all aint really getting the best work possible in the X-books.

Its like it's not even a question if Guardians of the Galaxy is more popular than the X-Men. Doesn't matter. GotG is whats popular now. Its getting all the attention. It got the cartoon. It got the a-list talent on its books. Its getting the chances for spin-off books. The same is happening for the Inhumans right now.

Once Black Bolt, Medusa and co. line up next to IM, Hulk, Spidey, etc. in some MCU movie it's over for that nobody likes the Inhumans talk. Then you'll start seeing that stuff bleed in to the Netflix shows and what not.

There is a mass dislike for the Inhumans Didn't say that nobody likes them at all, but the hate is most definitely there and always has been. That's only one of the reasons I think it'll never happen though. Unlike the Avengers who, as I mentioned before, I could always see becoming more popular than the X-Men. Also, i'd hardly say that the GotG is getting all the attention Similar to the Inhumans, they're getting more attention, but they're not even getting all of it in terms of the MCU, because of how many other properties there are. And they're certainly not getting all of it in the comics. Between all of the X-Men the Mutants currently have 7 different titles and that's titles where they make up the main cast and not counting their appearances in other places. In comparison, the Inhumans have 2 titles, which is why I say some X-Fans exaggerate the current situation. Yeah, Mutants in general are being treated like crap in terms of what's happening to them, such as characters dying and going through rough times, but they're still getting a ton of coverage and are even directly connected to the current Inhumans events going on The Inhumans aren't going to become more popular then the Mutants.

Now if we're saying, taking your line about the GotG being popular now, whether or not the Inhumans will get more coverage and increase in popularity then i'd say that's a guarantee. No one said that wouldn't happen though.

 

[Master Zik]

[quote name="Jays25" url="/t/329014/official-comic-book-thread/3600_100#post_2]
There is a mass dislike for the Inhumans [/quote]
Where Sway?

Mass dislike? How could you even go about proving this?

There's a better argument for the masses still don't have a good idea who the Inhumans are.

I know you ain't relying on that vocal minority of irrational angry X-Men fans that need somebody to blame cuz they don't like the current direction of X-Men comics.

Didn't say that nobody likes them at all, but the hate is most definitely there and always has been.

This is news to me Find it hard to believe. So you're saying since they've been created in Fantastic Four back in the 60s there's always been hate for the Inhumans for 50 years and counting now?

Who else has this ongoing hate in comics?

That's only one of the reasons I think it'll never happen though.

If what you say is true it'd be the only reason needed for Marvel to not even attempt to try and elevate them. A property that many hate and apparently it's well known? Like I know fans dislike the Sentry and Red Hulk but the Inhumans simply were never that prevalent to be hated. Now you're telling me there was a mass dislike/hate for them this whole time? To me this is like saying Moon Knight or Alpha Flight was always hated.

I don't recall any disdain for them when Realm and War of Kings came out or Silent War.

Between all of the X-Men the Mutants currently have 7 different titles and that's titles where they make up the main cast and not counting their appearances in other places.

What are these books? I count 5, 6 if X-Men '92 is still coming out. Remember Deadpool is not a mutant or part of the X-Men.

In comparison, the Inhumans have 2 titles, which is why I say some X-Fans exaggerate the current situation.

Ms. Marvel
Karnak
Moongirl & Devil Dinosaur
Uncanny Inhumans
All-New Inhumans (about to be finished/cancelled)
Mosiac (coming next month or Nov.)

I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting at least one more.

If we go to appearances well then it's obviously more.

Yeah, Mutants in general are being treated like crap in terms of what's happening to them, such as characters dying and going through rough times, but they're still getting a ton of coverage and are even directly connected to the current Inhumans events going on

I'm not even talking about the current state of stories but the quality of them. That's been the problem for X-books.

The Inhumans aren't going to become more popular then the Mutants.

I mean repeating the same thing doesn't make it true especially when we're talking about what will or won't happen.

But hey I'm more interested in this ongoing hatred for Inhumans that apparently has existed this entire time.

Now if we're saying, taking your line about the GotG being popular now, whether or not the Inhumans will get more coverage and increase in popularity then i'd say that's a guarantee. No one said that wouldn't happen though.

I'm saying when that happens expect the X-Men to be diminished even more. They'll be scattered farther out with less focus barring a creative team that surprised everybody.

I mean the way I see it they're already being treated like the b team.

 

[everysingletime]

I wouldn't say mass dislike. I would say most ppl are indifferent to Inhumans or are just unaware. The only ones with a real strong dislike to Inhumans are really salty xmen fans our age.

 

[Master Zik]

Exactly Indifference and that's mostly due to lack of an ongoing.

Mass dislike? Not in the 90s. Not in the 2000s.

 

[jays25]

Master Zik

I'm talking amongst comic book fans and/or people who are actually aware of the Inhumans. In the grand scheme of the entire world, Damian Wayne isn't a hated character, among the Batman fandom however he most definitely is. Obviously none of this applies to the who don't even know these characters exist. I wouldn't even keep it in just the X-Men fanbase either. The Inhumans have been around for a long time and have consistently had their criticizers.

I'll amend that. Not always, but from the 80s on, when they started to recieve more development. I'd say the modern era has then increased the hate, as they've been given a number of negative qualities that are then just consistently brought up again whenever they show up. And really I find it surprising that hate for the Inhumans is something people think is just popping up. That sounds like something that people who aren't actually familiar with the characters think, since they are a group filled with members that force transformations on others, look down on various people that aren't inhumans, and have their own slave caste Yeah, them being disliked isn't something new by any means. You'd really have to just not be aware of the group to come to that conclusion.

I'd say the Inhumans were certainly more prevalent than the Sentry and have certainly appeared enough to earn their share of hate. I think the entire War of Kings business was actually a highpoint for them, since it removed them from their typical setting, which is where most of their negative qualities shine. Also helped that they were going up against Vulcan, who may very well have been even more hated.

All New Wolverine, All New X-Men, Extraordinary X-Men, Old Man Logan, Scarlet Witch, Uncanny X-Men, X-Men 92. Didn't even know about Moon Girl or realize Ms. Marvel was an Inhuman. I stand corrected then.

Quality isn't a matter of popularity, which is what i'm talking about. That really only applies to you and what you think of them in terms of how they're written. I could say the same thing for All-New Inhumans and various other books. Hell, I could say that for some books that people think are phenomonal or even older comics that a massive number of people like, like Batman Hush.

I'm just saying what I think will happen, which is that the Inhumans won't become more popular than the X-Men.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

**** a Inhuman

Mutant 4Lyfe

 

[ninjahood]

exactly it's going to take an entirely new generation in order to do that. so yea rome wasn't built in a day. but marvel will get the X men before inhumans ever become popular

X-men also came out during da Golden era of everything between da 70's-90's... NOTHING dies off from that era anymore.

thats like Nike trying to kill off Jordans and force feed Kyries & Durants down our throats... Nostalgia >>>>*