I don't know where you've been then
And to say that the forced transformations are out of context really comes off as not actually reading the stories the Inhumans have been appearing in all these years.
Show me the Inhumans that were forced to undergo terrigenesis.
This complaint is coming off as a misunderstanding of their culture and beliefs. Terrigenesis is seen as a rite of passage. Inhumans are not forced to do it unless you're referring to a specific story you've read that you're taking out of context to keep that as a valid example for ppl hating the Inhumans for a long time and having reason to do so.
If you're saying all Inhumans who've went through terrigenesis were forced well then you do not know what you're talking about and I question if you've ever read and comprehended their stories and the process and history of terrigenesis.
If you're just applying your values on to them then you're doing it wrong.
Their entire society is problematic, focusing around a monarchy
What's any more problematic about a monarchy than a democracy if we're using history as evidence.
steeped in eugenic practices
You do know what happens to certain Inhumans when they go through terrigenesis when they're not approved by the genetic council right? It can go all the way wrong or work too well.
with genetically engineered slaves
I already covered this.
with people then being placed into positions based on the powers they develop as a result of being exposed to the Terrigen Mists.
Guess you haven't kept up with this plot point eh?
But ignoring that Inhumans actually want to go through terrigenesis and even those who have some fears still choose to there still hasn't been anything that shows they were forced to do it.
Peep the Kirby run, the Lee/Jenkins run, and the early Lee/Kirby F4 Inhuman issues.
That throws a caste system into the mix as well.
The only caste system is the royals, the armed forces, the citizens, and the alpha primitives.
Its based on actual real life socities word to Kirby's inspirations for creating them.
What exactly are you hating? Is it that in real life humans have failed in execution of those systems and institutions where as the Inhumans have thrived?
That's at the core of their society, in the same way that a love of fighting is at the core of the Asgardians. It's one of the biggest things about them man.
Yeah man it seems to me you're not up to date on the Inhumans.
There is no more genetic council. BB did away with them a while ago. There never were forced transformations. Never. That's something you just made up based on a poor grasp of Inhuman culture. BB freed those alpha primitives a while ago too. You know what happened? They cease to function, began to die off, and ran to Maximus to serve him, others ran back to the last king of the Inhumans, the Unspoken.
So these things you claim are at the core of Inhuman society either never existed, no longer exist or have changed radically.
I really don't see how anyone could have known about them all these years and not come across this. Heck, you could have a brief discussion on a message board and have this come up if you didn't know about it.
Come across what? Are you under the impression I'm unaware of these things?
I'm still waiting for you to show how any of this translates to ppl always hating the Inhumans because of it.
I'm wondering how you're telling me what's the core of the Inhumans and don't even realize you're wrong about things and don't even know they've been done away with.
I don't recall Odin ever forcing Asgardians to go through transformations they didn't want to in the hopes they'd gain a power that was useful to him
I don't recall Black Bolt doing it either.
It really just seems to me you read a wiki pg on the Inhumans and not the comics.
Biggest trait he shares with the Inhumans is a general disdain for humanity, which is why Odin has his share of haters as well. Though both also share a tendency to not admit their screwups, which adds to the hate i'm sure. Now, if you find any of this to be petty stuff to hate on then that's on you and goes to everyone having his or her own preferences.
Whether they're petty or not it doesn't prove that this alleged hate you're bringing up is happening or has happened on a bigger scale.
You're claiming this hate has existed since the 80s.
I'm just not seeing it. Seems mostly made up.
There was an entire storyline that featured the Alpha Primitives, which was based around an Inhuman not wanting to go through the Mists. It featured her falling in love with an Alpha Primitive and seeking the Fantastic 4 for help. To make a long story short, her father wanted her to go through the Mists in order to develop powers from it, took her from the 4, and put her through the Mists regardless
So no, it goes beyond some 3 year thing and Inhumans have been forced to transform previously.
So you just proved you took what you initally said out of context like I rightfully assumed once you said it.
A girl's father forced her to do something she didn't want to do cuz he thought it would serve some better purpose/greater good. Hmm sounds like a story I've heard before.
Before you were saying Inhumans were forced to go through terrigenesis. Like it's some military state having them march in to gas chambers. Then the example you provide is a father, a father not the genetic council or somebody in the royal family, making her do it.
The Alpha Primitives in turn have still often been featured as existing beneath the various Inhumans in Attilan as well. That was directly confronted in a later issue in fact, where it was mentioned that Black Bolt had freed them and attempting to do so had failed.
So then you know the story. Why start off with a lie?
BB freed the slaves. They then began to die off en masse. They then returned to former masters looking to serve again (Maximus, the Unspoken), Black Bolt not being one of them since he banned it..
Perhaps you can get a better grasp on what an alpha primitive is.
Only way I could see someone not knowing about the Inhumans hate is if they simply didn't know the group existed.
Or the hate doesn't exist
I mean listen to this logic. The only way to know about the hate is if you read the books. If you don't know about the hate then you didn't read the books. You gotta see the flaws in that thinking right?
Like we ain't talking about a bad movie or something.
You encounter someone who has read the books from a time span from the 90s to the 2000s, catching up on older stories from the 60s to 80s and you're basically accusing me of not reading them cuz I don't know about this alleged massive hatred for the Inhumans that seemingly existed since the 80s
That's like saying if I don't know about ppl who hate the Fantastic 4 comics it's cuz I must've never read a F4 comic. That is some bull **** logic
It doesn't work for anybody you insert in to the variables.
That makes sense, because they're not a casual reader thing like the X-Men. Or at least they haven't been until now. If you read about them and spoke to people that did though, all of this should have come up years ago
That's another thing. You would think there would be some internet evidence of such multiple decade hate.
Been in the comic shops for like 15 years and I've encountered more indifference for the Inhumans than dislike and never have come across hatred or haters.
Whether people have ever called Black Bolt a slave master or not isn't really relevant, since it's a fact that the Alpha Primitives were created as slaves and that they operated as such during his tenure as king
It is relevant. Its one of the things that's only relevant.
I am not disputing the fact Inhumans used the alpha primitives as their slave race. That is not what this is about. No need to pretend it's about something it's not.
You are claiming the Inhumans have always had haters. You're claiming that one reason for the hate is because they had the alpha primitives.
But plenty of readers have called the group out on this **** over the years, since it's something fairly notable that sets them apart from other groups.
Yeah recent years when they got their push and the X-Men began to get rolled back even more and X-fans realized what was happening.
I'll totally agree on salty fans hating the Inhumans due to what's happened to the X-Men.
I don't personally know that i've ever seen Black Bolt singled out as being responsible for any of this however
Black Bolt, Medusa, Triton, Maximus it doesn't really matter who.
You claim there is hate for the group. The group consists of individuals. Main targets being the royal family that sanctioned it.
I guess it's more of a tame laid back hatred eh? No zeal and enthusiasm on the message board compared to the **** storm started if you bring up One More Day or Hank Pym being a wife beater.
I don't see why you'd be confused. I used the word criticizers lol call people that dislike them whatever you want.
Criticizers, hate, and mass dislike are not interchangeable.
The people are still there.
Where Sway?
I haven't seen it alter popularity that much
So something you haven't seen that's there. Okay.
Well I'd direct you towards the present. Peep the cbr x-forums, Bendis forum, comicvine, bleedingcool, etc. Just all the comic book forums.
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