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Just finished Spider-Man 2099 and damn.

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There have been 2 different series for the character so far. The original from the 90s and the second one from 2014. The one I just finished was the original, which spanned 46 issues. This has actually been on my list for years, but I just never got around to reading it (Like a lot of other things). I just happened to find the entire series online a few days ago and decided why not? Funnily enough, I just read Batman Beyond 2.0 like a week ago as well. I really do think the two concepts are mirror images of each other, for Spider-Man and Batman respectively or Marvel and DC. Makes even more sense that these two series happened for two of the most popular fictional characters of all time, arguably the most popular characters for each company in fact.

Details

I'll say that this series really didn't disappoint at all. I knew bits and pieces from stuff i'd read on the internet over the years and I had experience with the main character through the video game Spider-Man Edge of Time, but none of that can really compare to actually reading a series with him. I've always seen Marvel's 2099 imprint as an earlier, somewhat less successful version of what they'd later do with their Ultimate line of comics. Funnily enough, Spider-Man was the most successful character both times around :lol That being said though, I kind of like the 2099 universe more than I do the Ultimate one. This is because the writers really tried to make a different universe, whereas the Ultimate Universe, while different, was still set in the modern day in all. 2099 being set in the future therefore allowed for a completely different type of world to be built, similar to what Batman Beyond did with Neo Gotham. And really it's just all in the details. You've got a lot of classic future elements, such as floating cars and building, massive cities that have built on top of one another with upper and lower levels, mega corporations basically running the world, etc. Even then however I never found myself bored.

The Main Character
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Of course, besides a good setting, every good series needs an interesting main character and Miguel O'Hara fits the bill. I remember that Peter David once said that where Stan Lee "zigged" with Peter Parker he "zagged" with Miguel, and it really does show. Peter went through high school, then college, then stuggled as an adult and often still lived with his aunt. Miguel starts out the series as a fully grown adult, with a prominent career at the mega corporation of Alchemax. Peter's often having trouble with multiple different girls, while Miguel, for the most part, is in a steady relationship and is even engaged at the start of the series. Peter began as this shy kid in his everyday life and needed the spider powers to boost his confidence, whereas Miguel (No doubt to being half Irish and half Spanish) is already outspoken and confrontational and will then often be fairly silent as Spider-Man. Peter never had parents, but had a solid support structure provided by his aunt and uncle. Miguel had an abusive father, a mother who favored his younger brother over him, and his younger brother in turn resented him on occasion. All these differences, along with slight differences in the actual powers each character has, allow for Miguel to be different enough than Peter so that the series itself doesn't feel redundant. You never feel like "This is something that would happen to Peter Parker" or "That's how Peter would react", and you'll never confuse one character for the other. So I think that Peter David did an excellent job when creating this guy. What's more, he actually goes through a good deal of personal growth as the series progresses. Really there's no better way to describe him at the start of the series than by noting his reaction to hearing Peter's classic motto

What was Gabe saying? With great power comes great responsibility? Wrong. Completely wrong. With great power comes great guilt.

Similar to Peter he gains his powers in an accident, after which he originally wants to get rid of them entirely. He has little interest in helping the common man and in general is often noted to be a bit of a jerk who talks down to other people. He is then dragged into more and more heroic actions as he see's situations that he has the ability to stop and eventually he makes the transition into a full blown hero, going out of his way to help others and to specifically defend the common man from the big bad corporations. The same message ends up coming across by the time the series wraps up, but it's not beaten into your head or anything, which I enjoyed. It's also interesting seeing Miguel deal with wanting to help people, but also being a part of the system that keeps them down. His character journey from selfish corporate stooge to selfless hero is genuinely interesting to see, with the change not happening overnight.

Other Characters
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Spider-Man wasn't the only hero or character to have someone take up his name in 2099 or to get his own series, so other characters like Punisher and Doom drift in and out of the story. And because there were actual crossover events you'll get a little thrown at times when these characters suddenly pop up and Spider-Man talks as if they've been hanging out for a while. It's nothing too hard to get over however and it helps to give us a further look at the 2099 universe. What also helps is that Miguel constantly travels between a variety of different settings. The majority of the series is spent in New York of course, but he freely travels between the upper and lower levels. You then have a story that takes place in Cyberspace, one in the floating city of Valhalla, many more when Miguel goes on a cross country trip to clear his head, etc. You never get stuck in one setting, but a home type of setting is still established and I appreciate that. And because everything is so far in the future you're constantly learning new things about the world. So, again, boredom is never an issue here.
Conclusion
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You don't really get any old villains showing up here. The most you get is stuff like the above, Venom 2099. An old take on a villain in a new form, similar to our hero. Though unlike the other villains that IS actually the original Venom Symbiote, just having been mutated over the decades. Overall, the cast of villains is interesting, unique, and they all fit the setting and what's going on in the story. None ever manage to really reach the level of the Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus, but they all serve their purpose and provide credible threats. The supporting cast is just as interesting and in this area I will say that a few manage to become as integral/important to the story as some of the original Spider-Man's are to his. Honestly, this series reminds me of the benefit of having one writer work on a project for so long, because he gets to present and reinforce different themes and ideas and build up various characters. It's that much better of course when it's not in the main universe, because the writer then has a lot more freedom. I'm someone who has a massive amount of respect for Ultimate Spider-Man and really consider it to be an essential Spider-Man story as a whole. I probably wouldn't say that Spider-Man 2099 is better than it, but I do think it manages to do some things better, such as the setting, and really has a harder job since it's dealing with completely new characters, a new setting, and really just had to work its way from the ground up. It's really a testament to what Peter David did here that, of all the 2099 characters and concepts, his is the one that's continued to appear again and again over the years, even getting a brand new series over a decade after the original ended. If there's one complaint I have with this series it's that it ends on kind of a cliffhanger. David stopped writing at issue #44, because of a big upheavel that was going on with the Marvel 2099 imprint at the time, so the last 2 issues just have a fairly obvious disconnect from the ones that came right before (Like Reed Richards suddenly shows up out of nowhere) and then it just randomly ends noting that the events will be concluded in another series. And they are, but it sucks that to get the actual finale you've got to check somewhere else. Everything that came before is still great though and doesn't suffer for it.

Definitely recommend it to anyone who enjoys Spider-Man or alternate universe stories.
 
Nice write up :smokin

Peter David definitely did his thing and this was clearly the best 2099 series with arguably only Doom 2099 challenging it. I really dug the 2099 books the first time around.

Going back to David the current Spidey 2099 series is pretty good as well. He's what I feel is a timeless writer. Props to Priest in discovering and pushing him in this direction. I'm currently reading the OG New Universe books; got done with Starbrand, Nightmask, Codename: Spitfire, Mask Hazzard, Kickers Inc, and DP7 so far (bit of a chore depending on the creative team). Currently on Justice and it finally got interesting once David took over. Like a breath of fresh air :lol :{

Anyway Spidey 2099, hooked me like regular Spidey with his costume. Of course I interpreted his suit as a mash up of the Punisher skull and the spider :lol which I thought was an awesome mix. Either way the stories were just really good once I got in to it given at the time I was reading the Clone Saga (which I personally like but have to admit has some rough patches).

A side thing about the 2099 world was it really was well connected and really had a solid and established view of the future with the corporations running things. It also had what I think was the last new Marvel hero co-created by Stan Lee; Ravage 2099 (which is pictured above in between Doom and Spidey). I don't know what the **** Lee was thinking. The themes and everything matches that 2099 era and it's not like the stories were awful but I don't know how he okayed that look for a superhero. Son don't even look monstrous like the Hulk or Thing. Straight up look like a super villain :lol and not even a great design. I forget the artist (who is good and not sure he designed the character) but for a come back to Marvel in the early 90s I still wanted something great with a new hero not a 2099 version.
 
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Just finished Spider-Man 2099 and damn.
Definitely recommend it to anyone who enjoys Spider-Man or alternate universe stories.

appreciate the write up,
I have alays been a big fan of 2099's design but never read ,guess i;ll give it a chance now.
 
Is it only me or has the double shipping on both marvel and dc has made more difficult to follow comics week to week?


also it means shorter runs and more art changes.


For me it feels like too much. I feel like issues pile up and it feels daunting to get through them...
 
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Good stuff jays25 jays25 . You've convinced me to add Spidey 2099 to my backlog.




Is it only me or has the double shipping on both marvel and dc has made more difficult to follow comics week to week?


also it means shorter runs and more art changes.


For me it feels like too much. I feel like issues pile up and it feels daunting to get through them...

It's been overwhelming some weeks, but I'm dropping some titles too. The art changes are real though. One of the recent issues of Green Lanterns had like 4 different art teams in the one book. I'm gonna finish this first arc and drop it. It's pretty bad and I can't stand Simon and Jessica.
 
Is it only me or has the double shipping on both marvel and dc has made more difficult to follow comics week to week?


also it means shorter runs and more art changes.


For me it feels like too much. I feel like issues pile up and it feels daunting to get through them...
My problem with double shipping has always been when it was unorganized and it stopped. Once the delays and multiple art changes. The monthly wait just isn't feasible for certain titles anymore.

Dunno about DC but Marvel tends to have the art teams and changes planned out well for the books I'm reading.

I get through the books easier since they're usually still only 20-22 pgs so getting through 40+ aint much. I prefer it. Marvel has committed to the seasonal model so if the run is selling well you're getting 12 issues and if it's really good as you go along you'll get a 2 year run of 24 issues for the most part.

Of all the books that were cancelled I noticed all of them were monthly and just never got the legs to continue.

I loved the era when Amazing Spider-Man was coming out 3 times a month.

Only real problem after that is price.


What tier is ghost Rider? ??

He was pooular at one point
There was a time he was A-list. Just off visuals alone.

Once the 90s ended he really fell back to c-list, b at best. He had books during the 2000s but they rarely lasted long or were praised. Marvel hasn't abandoned the property obviously but not as committed as they were to Moon Knight, Punisher or Black Panther. Every few years a writer tries it out and it did not last.

The most recent push with Reyes has been praised due to the different take and new GR. Getting a bigger push and they clearly have plans to make Reyes THE main Ghost Rider in marvel.
 
I just went by 3 cuz I felt 2 might've been easy

But now that I think about it. 2 might be enough.

I'm as casual a DC fan as they come. I can name you you 3 for Bats and Supes

Flash I can name you two...but that's because of the tv show

Cyborg. Blank.

WW. Blank.

GL. Blank.

Damn. DC top heavy, b's.

You can't name one Green Lantern villain?
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Nice write up :smokin

Peter David definitely did his thing and this was clearly the best 2099 series with arguably only Doom 2099 challenging it. I really dug the 2099 books the first time around.

Going back to David the current Spidey 2099 series is pretty good as well. He's what I feel is a timeless writer. Props to Priest in discovering and pushing him in this direction. I'm currently reading the OG New Universe books; got done with Starbrand, Nightmask, Codename: Spitfire, Mask Hazzard, Kickers Inc, and DP7 so far (bit of a chore depending on the creative team). Currently on Justice and it finally got interesting once David took over. Like a breath of fresh air :lol :{

Anyway Spidey 2099, hooked me like regular Spidey with his costume. Of course I interpreted his suit as a mash up of the Punisher skull and the spider :lol which I thought was an awesome mix. Either way the stories were just really good once I got in to it given at the time I was reading the Clone Saga (which I personally like but have to admit has some rough patches).

A side thing about the 2099 world was it really was well connected and really had a solid and established view of the future with the corporations running things. It also had what I think was the last new Marvel hero co-created by Stan Lee; Ravage 2099 (which is pictured above in between Doom and Spidey). I don't know what the **** Lee was thinking. The themes and everything matches that 2099 era and it's not like the stories were awful but I don't know how he okayed that look for a superhero. Son don't even look monstrous like the Hulk or Thing. Straight up look like a super villain :lol and not even a great design. I forget the artist (who is good and not sure he designed the character) but for a come back to Marvel in the early 90s I still wanted something great with a new hero not a 2099 version.

Been meaning to check out the New Universe for a while too. That's another interesting side project that Marvel invested in, similar to the 2099 and Ultimate line of comics. I've read up on it though and unlike the other 2 only one property from it has really captured my attention: Starbrand. I just checked Amazon earlier today and saw that they've released new volumes that collect all the issues from his original series, plus a few extras, so i'll probably go ahead and pick those up when I can. Always good to have series that take a step back from the major events going on in the primary universes.

I've wanted to read Doom 2099 for a while too, because i've only ever heard good things. There's one collected volume for Warren Ellis run on the series that I picked up a year ago or so, but haven't read yet since it only covers the last year of a 3-year series. Thinking I might just go ahead and track down the issues from the first two years and get them bound myself. Been planning to do the same for Peter David's Aquaman run for a while as well. If I were to go through writers Peter David would probably be near the top for me. At both DC and Marvel he's got excellent runs on a variety of different characters.

Is that the comic version of Parallex?

Stop it :lol That's Sinestro, Hal Jordan's (And maybe the Green Lantern Corps in general) greatest enemy. He wields the yellow light of fear in the same way that Green Lantern's wield the green light of will. Parallax is then the embodiment of all fear in the universe, basically being the mascot for the Sinestro Corps, Sinestro's answer to the Green Lanterns.
 
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Sinestro telling Kyle Rayner that he was responsible for his mom's death :eek

Then calling his dead mother a sow :eek

Got dayum Geoff murked with his GL epic

I wish Geoff was writing the Green Lanterns book instead of Humphries. He created those characters and Humphries is not doing them any favors. :{

Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps has been fire though. :smokin
 
Y'all tearing a part amel :lol I told yall the name Sinestro is not that recognizable. Gotta be a bit more familiar.

jays25 jays25 When you do start any New Universe book keep in mind the whole concept and premise of the line was to be like the real world where super abilities are being introduced for the first time. Not many of the books are superhero books

Think an 80s era version of Heroes with everyone making their way with new powers, some being pursued, etc.
 
Nope. Sinestro doesn't even ring a bell.

Can't really blame a casual DC fan not to know these things.

Feel like DC is just super top heavy and after Bats and Supes there's just a steep decline in familiarity.
 
Man yall ****** gotta watch more cartoons

TT, YJ and JLU got the DCU pretty much covered

There was an entire season of JLU where the focus was on damm near every DC villain just chillin in the cut
 
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Amel is Trolling again..
please dont believe him
I'm more than positive i've read//watched way less DC stuff than him and I still know who Sinestero is.
 
I don't read DC anything.


The Adventures of Lois and Clark show
The 90s Superman cartoons
The Batman 90s cartoons
Every Batman movie since 89.
Superman Returns in 2006 (?), MoS in 2013 (?)
Smallville show
Flash show
Arrow show
Supergirl show
Maybe two episodes of Teen Titans
One issue I had from when I was a kid that had Spiderman and Batman in it together

If it's not featured on those listed, I'm not going to know about it :lol

As casual a DC fan as they come

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Forgot the Green Lantern movie. Only reason I knew about Parallex.

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Five episodes of Young Justice.
 
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I amended the list. I did watch Green Lantern. I also forgot about Young Justice. Ive watched like 5 episodes of that and then I stopped lol.
 
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