OFFICIAL COMIC BOOK THREAD

[everysingletime]

Out of all three, I'd rather engage with Ska to tell you the truth.

I've engaged with all three at some point on this board.

Meth is a ghost. I haven't seen him in an argument with anyone in a very long time lol

He doesn't even do public bans anymore. Ppl get banned all the time and I never know who they are.

 

[tdogg2k]

Oh cmon. They were so far from A team. You can't keep pointing to comic book Fandom because they're a niche group. More ppl watch movies buy merchandise watch cartoons than read comics.
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Pick an argument and stick with it Papi, you reiterated that this was based on the 90s.
then you pull in your BS merchandise chart from 2009-2014 potential growth sales...
now you're still saying people arent A list or no one knew who iron man was or his enemies before the movie????
It's time to stop posting.
If you wanna bring enemies in to it. Batman is probably the only hero where most people can name more than 5 villians off the top of their head.
hell even spiderman's enemies outside of Venom (not counting the movies) people will have a hard time naming.
(so I sort of don't get your point)

Either you're going to count cartoons and comics they were on or your not.. again pick an argument and stick with it, you're all over the place in here.

regardless of everyone going against you.....

Zik likes to discombobulate your posts in an argument. Break apart every sentence and make you look silly got damb Zik lol

This is where the Love hate is of Zik is for me. if he just answered a big quote i'd be like ok.
but yes he breaks it out in to sections. so knowing he takes the time to do every individual statement he wants to address is what pisses me off getting in any argument with him.

 

[jays25]

But if you ask someone to name Spidey villains, batman villains, superman villains, xmen villains, he'll even Hulk villains, more ppl can do it guaranteed.

Yeah, I don't know about that Again, I consider Hulk to be A-List, but even then I don't think people know about his villains like that anymore than they do Iron Man's.

EDIT: In fact, I don't even know that people can name X-Men villains like that. Magneto and Mystique are the two standouts as far as popular culture goes, Mystique especially due to her not being a straight up villain, but still a major player in recent films. Then there are the Sentinels as a whole and maybe Apocalypse. You could probably throw Sabretooth in there as well. But Stryfe? Nimrod? Vulcan? Onslaught? Mr. Sinister? Naah. Again, just like with Hulk i'd still rate them as A-List, but the average person on the street doesn't know those villains

He loves to argue. Which is why what better way to win a bet than to make the man who loves to argue agree with you on every. Single. Post.

I was watching when that bet was happening and man you boxed yourself into a corner by making that **** hyper-specific for no reason You're not winning that bet.

 

[everysingletime]

Tdogg I don't know what you're reading but I've never once changed my argument.

So there's no reason for you to tell me to stick with one argument

You're mixing arguments. The argument about Hulk was based on the 90s. The sales numbers I brought up from 2014 was for the Flash argument. so I'm not contradicting myself at all

 

[Fresh Like Will]

I doubt the general audience knows Hulk villains outside of General Ross, Abomination, or Avengers villains. To be fair though. A lot of the Hulk is a fugitive story where he wants to be left alone or Bruce trying to cure the transformation.

 

[jays25]

I doubt the general audience knows Hulk villains outside of General Ross, Abomination, or Avengers villains. To be fair though. A lot of the Hulk is a fugitive story where he wants to be left alone or Bruce trying to cure the transformation.

And see that stuff i'm sure people know. Gamma bomb, turns green when he gets angry, wants to be left alone, chased by the military, etc. The basics. Same goes for many of the other heroes that have been mentioned today. Hulk's villains however just aren't prominent like that, in the way Batman's are. I don't even know that Superman's villains are all that prominent. There's Lex Luthor of course, who is probably well known enough to pick up the slack of everyone else, General Zod, and Doomsday. Who else does the average joe really know? There's still Braniac and Darkseid, but I don't think much else.

 

[everysingletime]

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't argue that Hulk is A team but then say that the average person doesn't know his villains.

I was actually trying to throw you a bone there but you're just throwing it back.

 

[jays25]

When did I say that knowing all of the character's villains was required to be A-List? Again, I don't think people know many Superman or X-Men villains either, but there's no questioning going on about them being A-List. The average person knows the Hulk, his basic story, and various things about him. I don't think they then have to know all about his villains for him to be an A-Lister. Sure it could help, in the way it does for Batman, but it isn't necessary, since those villains are not actually the character in question.

 

[Fresh Like Will]

FTR. Knowing villains wasn't a requirement for me either. I'm just trying to point out that the character himself is A-list even with a smaller amount of popular villains. Just like Iron Man.

 

[tdogg2k]

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't argue that Hulk is A team but then say that the average person doesn't know his villains.

I was actually trying to throw you a bone there but you're just throwing it back.

you are literally the worst.

By your Definition Batman is the only A list comic book character. Hell by your definition... only Fictional character that's A list.

I can only name Shredder, rock steady and bepop for the turtles.
I can only name Rita and Lord Zed for Power rangers.
I can only name megatron and starscream for transformers.
I can only name Mummra for the Thundercats
I can only name Skeletor for He man.
I can only name Tdogg2k for Amel223.


Your parameter is stupid.


If we're going to use Based measure of A list (which is much better) than yes all that were mentioned.
You know X-men are mutants led by Prof X
you know Ironman wears a suit
you know Cap was hit with the serum and is an old vet.
you know hulks gamma story
you know superman is an alien
you know wonder woman is an amazon

Thor you may actually have trouble with, just he's a Gawd.
Flash you may have trouble with but you at least know their powers and their good.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Knowledge of a character's villains should in no way dictate their A-List status. That's silly.

I'm talking about the character him/herself--whether or not his logo/brand/costume/name/image/powers/whatever and/or some aspect of his identity are immediately recognizable

Batman and Superman are really the only characters whose villains are just that popular. Not even Spidey has that level of a rouges gallery IMO

 

[Based Jesus]

The average person should be able to name one. Don't need some in depth knowledge, just a name.

 

[kvsm23vs24]

Definitely agree Hulk is A-lister. Along with bats, Supes, wolverine, and Spidey well and Xmen as a whole.

No problem saying Ironman, cap flash are B.

If those guys aren't B, then who is? Having them as A means that you're B must be pretty impressive as well. Being B is no slouch.

 

[everysingletime]

You guys can't have it both ways. You can't argue that Hulk is A team but then say that the average person doesn't know his villains.

I was actually trying to throw you a bone there but you're just throwing it back.

you are literally the worst.

By your Definition Batman is the only A list comic book character. Hell by your definition... only Fictional character that's A list.

I can only name Shredder, rock steady and bepop for the turtles.
I can only name Rita and Lord Zed for Power rangers.
I can only name megatron and starscream for transformers.
I can only name Mummra for the Thundercats
I can only name Skeletor for He man.
I can only name Tdogg2k for Amel223.

Outside of Power Rangers and Transformers and me .. I'm like

 

[everysingletime]

I just went by 3 cuz I felt 2 might've been easy

But now that I think about it. 2 might be enough.

I'm as casual a DC fan as they come. I can name you you 3 for Bats and Supes

Flash I can name you two...but that's because of the tv show

Cyborg. Blank.

WW. Blank.

GL. Blank.

Damn. DC top heavy, b's.

 

[Master Zik]

I abaolutely cant stand when they fill the thread (atleast put that stuff in spoiler tags damn lol)
But its fun to see zik being disputed against. Luv ya zik but damn

Zik likes to discombobulate your posts in an argument. Break apart every sentence and make you look silly got damb Zik lol

I like to break down larger posts so that I can reply and/or address statements and opinions and each point being made in the argument/discussion.

I abaolutely cant stand when they fill the thread (atleast put that stuff in spoiler tags damn lol)
But its fun to see zik being disputed against. Luv ya zik but damn

Its cool cuz I'm usually right.

This is where the Love hate is of Zik is for me. if he just answered a big quote i'd be like ok.
but yes he breaks it out in to sections. so knowing he takes the time to do every individual statement he wants to address is what pisses me off getting in any argument with him.

But some posts just have so much wrong with it you can't let it all slide. If I just quoted it and still addressed everything I disagreed with it'd still be just as long.

He loves to argue. Which is why what better way to win a bet than to make the man who loves to argue agree with you on every. Single. Post.

You better go bribe the Russo bros right now man.

Zik
Meth
Ska

All on my do not engage list. Posts too damn long and they'll never say they're wrong. They'll just wear you down with essay after essay 

Exactly gotta pick your battles wisely

If I was actually wrong I would

I address my disagreements wisely as well. Aint gonna find me arguing for something incredibly srupid.

 

[tdogg2k]

Flash, Wonder Woman, are still highly recognizable. and A list whether you could name their villians or not.

I'm not a DC fan at all. haven't read anything comic wise outside of The Dark Knight and a little bit of Identity Crisis and I can still name a few of their villians and a couple of heroes.
DC B list: (all my opinion of course) Heroes and villians.
Aquaman, Lex Luthor, Cyborg, Super boy Robin, night wing, Super girl

C list
power girl, etc etc.


Marvel B list (I'll stick with heroes)
Hawkeye, Thor (is actually sitting on that thin line.. possibly B+)
Cable, (thanks to a little of X men and a lot of Deadpool)
Some X men Characters that aren't apart of that original Jim Lee Focus.
DareDevil.
Punisher. (although Punisher has been highly recognizable for years)


not a complete list just naming a few.

 

[jays25]

I just went by 3 cuz I felt 2 might've been easy

But now that I think about it. 2 might be enough.

I'm as casual a DC fan as they come. I can name you you 3 for Bats and Supes

Flash I can name you two...but that's because of the tv show

Cyborg. Blank.

WW. Blank.

GL. Blank.

Damn. DC top heavy, b's.

What kind of silliness is this? Cyborg villains? **** outta here. No matter what you rank the other members of the Justice League, Cyborg is a level below them.

 

[Grine]

Amel, you cannot name one villain for green lantern? Srsly?

The most popular one?

 

[ninjahood]

most ppl prior to the IM movie in 2008 was like, 'IM? Would a movie of him seriously work?'

only from a technological standpoint in terms of transitioning well into da big screen.

B list is Iron Fist, X-force, da OG White Nick Fury. Silver Surfer, Namor, etc

u know who's A-list that none of ya mentioned yet?

 

[tdogg2k]

u know who's A-list that none of ya mentioned yet?

I think he is where Thor is for me. Teeters on that line of A/B
he's like A- or B +

Very popular....... he was just way too all over the place.
But you're right, people know his Background. His Emblem is easily top 5 most recognized

 

[Master Zik]

Amel, you cannot name one villain for green lantern? Srsly?

The most popular one?

On the mainstream casual fan level, Sinestro is not coming to mind as easily as Lex, Joker, etc.

While the JL members are paragons it's not like they all have the most stellar rogues gallery.

GL probably really should've had Darkseid as a villain given settings.

Its harder for a speedster like Flash. Another speedster is natural but ******* gorillas and dudes throwing boomerang and shooting ice from guns?

WW isn't much excuse. Hers is other GODs like Ares and some cheetah/tiger chick. Its disappointing. I mean just watch how Xena and Hercules flourished. Marvel missed a chance to show them how it's done (but overall I been disappointed in Marvel not having a flagship female hero until the X-Men really).

It keeps going for Aquamam and MM.

@ Cyborg even being listed.

 

[everysingletime]

Amel, you cannot name one villain for green lantern? Srsly?

The most popular one?

Nooope. I just remember the cloud in GL. His name is Fear?

And the only reason why I listed Cyborg is because I remember him from the JL trailer. So I assumed he was a big shot but I guess not.

 

[jays25]

We also have to think about how villains actually become popular enough in their own right to the point you could say they're well known or A-List like the Joker or Lex Luthor. You've got television shows, films, video games, and cartoons where some of these characters have been appearing on a regular basis for over a decade. Wonder Woman villains don't have that. Neither do any of the other Justice Leaguers villains. Of course, villains not being known says nothing about the superheroes. More people can name Green Lantern than they can any of his villains and that's fine.

Amel, you cannot name one villain for green lantern? Srsly?

The most popular one?

Nooope. I just remember the cloud in GL. His name is Fear?

And the only reason why I listed Cyborg is because I remember him from the JL trailer. So I assumed he was a big shot but I guess not.

Parallax, the fear entity.

Among a group of A and B-listers Cyborg is C level on his best day and that's probably being generous, with him still riding that leftover popularity from the Teen Titans show and Teen Titans Go.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Flash has the most awesome villains that would be completely ridiculous in any other fictional context

And I never enjoyed Punisher, or even thought of him as a "superhero" for that matter.