OFFICIAL COMIC BOOK THREAD

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm just ignoring all of this X-men, Inhumans stuff and it's worked out swimmingly.

 

[KingParappa]

Where was Zik hours ago? Could have saved me time reading that.

 

[tdogg2k]

Thank you zik

 

[dat dude chris]

So what NON-Marvel & DC comics ppl reading in here?

 

[shottadru]

So what NON-Marvel & DC comics ppl reading in here?

Black Monday Murders

 

[shottadru]

I'm really interested where they will go with this new black girl iron man Riri. First edition was cool, storyline kinda basic but I feel Closer with it I guess because she's black

 

[dat dude chris]

Black Monday Murders

This series is fire. Gotta read #4 later on

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

I'm just ignoring all of this X-men, Inhumans stuff and it's worked out swimmingly.

Word

And based on the synopsis above its your typical "Marvel hands the X-Men a hilarious amount of Ls"

Yawn

 

[shuges]

All you need to know:

Spoiler

- Cyclops dies in issue #1 from the terrigen mists
- Jamie Madrox a.k.a. Multiple Man dies from the mists along with hundreds of his dupes
- Emma Frost uses a psychic projection to fool ppl in to thinking Cyclops is still alive and he broadcasts to the world that the Inhumans purposely released the mists (lie) that kills mutants (he didn't know this) and maybe humans (it doesn't)
- There's an Inhuman team led by Crystal tracking one terrigen cloud to Madrid. Terrorist group attacks trying to capture new inhumans, Storm's X-Men show up, no way to stop madness so Crystal uses an Inhuman that can put everyone asleep except Inhumans.
- Emma and Cyclops' X-Men see this thinking the Inhumans are attacking mutants. Emma sends Magneto to delay them while they to get rid of one of the terrigen clouds. Magik takes the inhuman that makes ppl fall asleep and transports him to limbo (he gets released in the end).
- Emmaclops recruits Alchemy who has transmutation powers. Crystal calls Medusa who shows up with Black Bolt and others. They try to stop dude and then deliberate with themselves how to approach Emmaclops and end this peacefully.
- Alchemy turns the cloud in to red harmless mists and dies in the process. Inhumans are pissed. Emmaclops says he still has work to do to get the other cloud and prepared to attack. Medusa gives the word and Black Bolt skills the Cyclops projection in front of all the X-Men and Inhumans in Madrid.
- Cyclops funeral. Havok learns his brother been dead. Emma looks insane, like she's finally snapped from all of this mutant death and losing Scott.

I don't collect anymore. But I remember reading a while back that Marvel was/is doing everything in their power to bury any Fox owned properties in the comics.

FF
Wolverine
Spider Man

That spoiler though...

 

[shuges]

Eh, X-fans did that same kind of anticpating for every event he was involved in. Didn't really go down in AvX, doubt it'll go down now.

Never really happened. Just kept revealing what a lousy person he was though

Don't see them making him as villanous as possible. He'll just be wrong and die. Like this first jssue, wasn't villainous at all.

When I say I'm wondering, I'm talking about the storytelling irony. Attempting to stop or prevent something bad only to make it worse. Especially given Black Bolt wasn't planning on detonating the T-bomb when he did, Thanos came at him and he said **** it, this is for my ppl.

If anything this is the best opportunity to give mutants a leader they need and deserve though. Hope Magneto doesn't just swoop in for the same old same old.

 

[Master Zik]

Where was Zik hours ago? Could have saved me time reading that.

I had only just read the last issue yesterday.

Thank you zik

No problem

So what NON-Marvel & DC comics ppl reading in here?

Its published under DC but it's the Hanna-Barbera Actionverse book Future Quest by Jeff Parker and art by Doc Shaner.

Its some nostalgic fun involving Jonny Quest, Birdman, Space Ghost, Blue Falcon, etc.

Also Archie comics Black Circle books: Black Hood, The Shield, and The Hangman.

Also been meaning to check out Aftershock comics recent launch.

BLACK

I don't collect anymore. But I remember reading a while back that Marvel was/is doing everything in their power to bury any Fox owned properties in the comics.

FF
Wolverine
Spider Man

That spoiler though...

To be fair, not at any point has Marvel comics appeared to bury Spidey. Quite the opposite. Nor have they tried with Deadpool either.

If the rumors are to be believed something happened in negotiations with FOX studios like 2 or 3 years ago that made Ike, President of marvel ent. to just put F4 and X-Men on his **** list. Then there's the gross assumption Inhumans were propped up to replace mutants in comics. Thing is X-Men got scaled back before and Inhumans were being pushed even further back.

From a rational view, the F4 simply isn't selling good enough. Even after putting Hickman on it. Plus not all creative are all that good. Marvel has been trying to make F4 a hit all of the 2000s, even through Millar on the book for a while. Similar to what they did with Thor in the 2000s they're putting the book to rest.

As for X-Men, they've been deprioritized since Morrison left. Avengers became their cash cow. This led to the snowballing of the creative bankruptcy in the 12 or so X books being released in any given year. They still had some great and good stories but not comparable to their heyday. You could see it in Wolverine, the x-villains being lackluster or becoming X-Men, and the growing glaring fact they can't really sustain more than 2 solo books. So recently they scaled their books back to a manageable 5 books (more if you count DP). The pattern of using them in conflicts with other marvel groups continued though (first Avengers now Inhumans. I bet by 2018 they'll be fighting the Guardians of the Galaxy).

With ResurreXion though, Marvel has bumped the book count to like 8 or more. Possibly a new strategy.

People do think changes in the studio side reflects that. Again, if you believe in the rumors.

Eh, X-fans did that same kind of anticpating for every event he was involved in. Didn't really go down in AvX, doubt it'll go down now.

Never really happened. Just kept revealing what a lousy person he was though

Don't see them making him as villanous as possible. He'll just be wrong and die.

Forgot this. I was pretty much right.

 

[shuges]

To be fair, not at any point has Marvel comics appeared to bury Spidey. Quote the opposite. Nor have they tried with Deadpool either.

My apologies. Sony owns Spidey. Fox has FF, Galactus, Surfer, mutants, X-Men, Deadpool.

Apparently, Marvel has a much better redistribution deal with Sony.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/7...which-movie-studios-own-marvel-characters.htm

And from the comments section of one of these sites:

This really comes down to merchandising rights. I don't think Marvel/ Disney was going to bury Spider-Man as much since they had a much more lucrative deal with Sony than they did with Fox, which was done at a time when Marvel was financially very unstable and they were not in a position to dictate terms or conditions, and had to agree to share the profits on their licensing ventures. They had a far more profitable deal with Sony, which is why you saw more Spider-Man merchandise, such as toys, clothing, video games and the like.

Also:

“If you had two things, and on one you earned 100% of the revenues from the efforts that you put into making it, and the other you earned a much smaller percentage for the same amount of time and effort, you’d be more likely to concentrate more heavily on the first, wouldn’t you?”

- Marvel Senior Vice President of Publishing Tom Breevort

So it's not like Marvel is hiding the "bury".

It just sucks for the consumer that politics is playing a role in what we're getting with the X-Men franchise in recent years. Wolverine definitely needed to be scaled back a bit. But to "kill" him? I mean, I get it. Fox has been making terrible movies with these characters compared to the quality Marvel has been putting out. So they deserve what Marvel is doing to their characters in the comics. But it still sucks for us.

 

[Master Zik]

To me that Brevoort quote which I read way back on his formspring is the definition of sound business sense.

So hard for me to see it as "burying". As opposed to what it is in the present. Marvel is no longer the publishing company that almost went under and had to sell movie rights at a disadvantage to stay afloat. The guy that took the reins and saved the company turned it in to a straight up flourishing media entertainment establishment in several mediums and isn't fond of the movie deals that were made before he got there. Especially when the studio side isn't just respectable but arguably the best.

Marvel comics has thousands of ip's, they'll make use of them if they have to.

 

[orsrt8]

I guess i'm in the minority in saying that I enjoyed Death of X. My only problem is that I feel like these writers feel like they always have to kill off characters in order to give off a big story feel. Especially with the X-men lately. At this rate they will be no OG X-men. Jean, Prof X,Wolverine, Cyclops all dead. I want to see the X-men back on top at Marvel. Send the teen X-men back already and make some better stories.

 

[Master Zik]

Gonna wait a while for that.

The OGs are still there. As the time displaced X-Men and an alt-universe Wolverine.

For the most part I can agree/see the argument that the X-Men have outgrown Prof. X. He was useless most of the 2000s and last useful during Morisson's meh run. After that it's just been good stories with reveals of what a scumbag he can be. They honestly never gave the concept of him running a school long legs though. Gave that to Wolverine.

I do admit I think given how much FOX studios sucks they realize they don't even know what stories to adapt. So in the comics now they're not even giving them stories they can adapt. You want to adapt a Wolverine story? Well he's old now so you'll have to make him old or try to change the story to fit him in his prime. Same for the young O5. Cyclops and co. can't be young in the movies forever. Not to mention the main story heavily involves a group you can't use at all.

FOX shook off exploring the Shi'Ar, Brood, Savage Land, Genosha, Onslaught, Morlocks, Mojo, future Bishop and Cable stuff, Phoenix done right, legacy virus, etc.

 

[jays25]

I guess i'm in the minority in saying that I enjoyed Death of X. My only problem is that I feel like these writers feel like they always have to kill off characters in order to give off a big story feel. Especially with the X-men lately. At this rate they will be no OG X-men. Jean, Prof X,Wolverine, Cyclops all dead. I want to see the X-men back on top at Marvel. Send the teen X-men back already and make some better stories.

If we're specifically referring to the original X-Men as the OG's and not via the classic or most well-known lineups, then half of the OG's are dead as it is: Cyclops, dead. Jean Grey, long dead. Professor X, dead. That only leaves Angel and Iceman, and Beast. Technically, Angel is also dead, since his original soul and personality were destroyed at the conclusion of the Dark Angel storyline, with a new personality existing in his body (Haven't been following his storyline too closely, so this may have been overwritten/retconned or something). So, only 2 of the first X-men are currently still alive as they have been since their creations, minus changes such as Iceman now being gay and the different mutations Beast has gone through over the years.

They definitely need to get some better talent on the X-books however.

 

[tdogg2k]

I think when people refer to the og popular. Were talking jim Lee's run. Chris claremont. Xmen gold x men blue

 

[Master Zik]

The new personality for Angel is dead now too Something happened. Hear he's referred to as a "drone" now.

Out of the O5, it's crazy to me how Angel got the short end of the stick. Barely any personality, not the strongest ties,and just easily shelved. They had something when he was running and down with X-Force on that killing steez and even more so when it was killing Apocalypse's ppl but that went bad for him. Then Cyclops became a killer anyway. So he couldn't even be the edgy killer among the O5.

As far as OGs, they still don't need Wolverine, Jean, Prof. X or Cyclops. There's dope X-Men teams that can consist of Rogue, Storm, and Psylocke as the core 3. Then throw in Cable, Gambit, Nightcrawler, etc.

 

[jays25]

The entire bit as Archangel did wonders for Warren's character in terms of making him interesting to me.

I think when people refer to the og popular. Were talking jim Lee's run. Chris claremont. Xmen gold x men blue

Fair enough, since those are typically the ones being adapted into other media anyways lol in that case Wolverine's also dead. Nightcrawler was actually dead for a hot minute, but came back to life. Same with Cable in fact. Death, of course, is just a revolving door in DC and Marvel.

 

[Fozz]

So what NON-Marvel & DC comics ppl reading in here?

Saga and Descender.

 

[Fozz]

The entire bit as Archangel did wonders for Warren's character in terms of making him interesting to me.
Fair enough, since those are typically the ones being adapted into other media anyways lol in that case Wolverine's also dead. Nightcrawler was actually dead for a hot minute, but came back to life. Same with Cable in fact. Death, of course, is just a revolving door in DC and Marvel.

Yeah, how did Nightcrawler return?

I know AoA Nightcrawler came to 616, but I believe, went back? Was he resurrected?

But more importantly, what the hell happened to Hope?! I thought she was going to be the main character?!!

 

[dat dude chris]

Saga and Descender.

Never heard of Descender but i always see Saga & Fables comics but have no idea what theyre bout lol. They seem interesting tho

And Master Zik whats Black about? Saw that when it first came out & it looked cool too

 

[Master Zik]

The entire bit as Archangel did wonders for Warren's character in terms of making him interesting to me.

Fair enough, since those are typically the ones being adapted into other media anyways lol in that case Wolverine's also dead. Nightcrawler was actually dead for a hot minute, but came back to life. Same with Cable in fact. Death, of course, is just a revolving door in DC and Marvel.

Yeah, how did Nightcrawler return?

I know AoA Nightcrawler came to 616, but I believe, went back? Was he resurrected?

But more importantly, what the hell happened to Hope?! I thought she was going to be the main character?!!

In Amazing X-Men by Aaron and McGuiness after AvX, the little bamfs in the school (memba those? They looked like baby Nightcrawlers) led a X-Men team through a portal to some dimension that was one of the afterlife heaven ones and as they thought they were bringing back Prof. X they brought back Nightcrawler from the dead so they could fight his father Azazel as he was in some pirate motif raiding the dimension.

Key thing to remember here is in coming back to life Nightcrawler no longer has his soul. That plays in to his religious character and looking like a demon. This was covered in his solo book by Chris Claremont.

The AOA version was around for a while in one of the X-Force books but then went back. He ended up dying with the rest of the AoA world before the incursions

As for Hope, she was last seen in Spurrier's X-Force. First as this A.I in some drone thing called Meme. She got gravely injured, in a coma and projected her mind in to it. After some wild revelations like Cable clones and dying everyday Hope got her body back and retired Cable and was intending to lead her own X-Force team at the end of the book.

Then she wasn't seen again. Next we see Cable showing up in a few places, now Uncanny Avengers and I don't think he or anybody else in a X book has mentioned Hope since.

To me you just wrote a good events that kills her off. I would've done that in AvX.

And Master Zik whats Black about? Saw that when it first came out & it looked cool too

BLACK

Synopsis

In a world that already hates and fears them – what if only Black people had superpowers?

After miraculously surviving being gunned down by police, a young man learns that he is part of the biggest lie in history. Now he must decide whether it’s safer to keep it a secret or if the truth will set him free.

X-Men meets The Wire, BLACK’s Kickstarter blazed through Black History Month 2016 earning $91,973, more than three time its funding goal.

BLACK
writer: Kwanza Osajyefo
co-creator/designer: Tim Smith 3
artist: Jamal Igle
covers: Khary Randolph

DEBUTS SEPTEMBER 2016


“A young black person gets shot by police. This time, he gets up, discovering that he’s more powerful than he ever could have imagined.
In a time when the African-American community’s fraught relationship with the police is making headlines across the world, BLACK is shaping up to be a superhero comic ripped right out of some of modern America’s biggest social issues.”
-io9

“BLACK follows Kareem Jenkins, a young black teenager who gets racially profiled and gunned down by police only to discover that he is one of many black people with superpowers.”
-Comics Alliance

“A story like BLACK is still important, and necessary… It may attract one demographic more than others, but it parallels current events – so it is a universal story.”
-The Washington Post

“There is, unfortunately, no better time for a comic book like BLACK to be announced and created than right now, because the visual of the young Black man wearing a hoodie and being confronted by the gun(s) of police officers is burned into our collective conscience. It is the image of one of the most prevalent and gross generalizations of our times.”
-Comic Book Resources

EXCLUSIVE FIVE PAGE PREVIEW

 

[dat dude chris]

Thanks Master Zik Sounds really good. Whats your thoughts on it so far tho? Without giving any spoilers away of course lol

 

[jays25]

The entire bit as Archangel did wonders for Warren's character in terms of making him interesting to me.

Fair enough, since those are typically the ones being adapted into other media anyways lol in that case Wolverine's also dead. Nightcrawler was actually dead for a hot minute, but came back to life. Same with Cable in fact. Death, of course, is just a revolving door in DC and Marvel.

Yeah, how did Nightcrawler return?

I know AoA Nightcrawler came to 616, but I believe, went back? Was he resurrected?

But more importantly, what the hell happened to Hope?! I thought she was going to be the main character?!!

Even more importantly, does anybody really care? Do you? I thought Hope's character was terribly boring to follow, though the intro storyline where Cable was running through time from Bishop (Messiah Complex?) was great.