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^ The only time Hope really mattered in X books to me. That Cable book was great even though I wasn't that happy with how Bishop was handled after that book.


Thanks Master Zik Master Zik Sounds really good. Whats your thoughts on it so far tho? Without giving any spoilers away of course lol
It's good and interesting so far with how it's setting up the concept and world. Only 2 issues out so far.
 
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^ The only time Hope really mattered in X books to me. That Cable book was great even though I wasn't that happy with how Bishop was handled after that book.

I pretty much knew once the story kicked off, with Bishop accidentally shooting Professor X and then chasing Cable, that Bishop's character probably wouldn't go anywhere great after the story was over.
 
i feel like bishop was always one of the best character design and power set x men to be created, i felt he was never truly utilized right.
 
Even more importantly, does anybody really care? Do you? I thought Hope's character was terribly boring to follow, though the intro storyline where Cable was running through time from Bishop (Messiah Complex?) was great.
Well, I agree. Her story following Complex was really bland. I guess, since that was the book that re-started my interest in comics, I figured that she was going to be a key character for Marvel and X-Men moving forward.

But yeah, I guess it really isn't a big deal? I mean, where did her storyline end up? Just doing some random things like Gambit? lol
 
i feel like bishop was always one of the best character design and power set x men to be created, i felt he was never truly utilized right.
I agree on both parts but I'm not surprised at not being used right given his editorial origins; Marvel at the time in the late 80s in to the 90s had no clue of the huge African-American fan base the X-Men had until a convention. The E-i-C then decides there needs to be a new African-American mutant to join the X-Men (he may have even specified it be a guy). They had Portacio and Lee create Bishop, two Asian guys (nothing wrong with that) but Portacio and Lee ended up making Bishop vaguely black. No doubt most fans assumed he was but it wasn't clear right away and he easily could've been a dark skinned Filipino with hair to match as opposed to a black guy with a jerri curl :lol No help with his sister being blonde. At the least speculation began that he was half Filipino maybe quarter that and quarter Korean.

Took years until an appearance change made it clear Bishop was black (dreadhead era) and heavy hinting that Storm was related to him.

To compound all that Bishop was from the future and not in the way Cable was raised in the future so he could've been sent back at any time, making his presence possibly temporary. Plus the future he was from did not make it clear he was even African-American :lol Sure he worked in the XSE in some future New York but nothing concrete more than that.

Other than Storm under Claremont and a few other writers it's been weak on repress ration given they made such use of the racism metaphor until they went to closer mirror the lbgt metaphor. The lack of black mutants always disturbed me but I did that rant already.
^ The only time Hope really mattered in X books to me. That Cable book was great even though I wasn't that happy with how Bishop was handled after that book.

I pretty much knew once the story kicked off, with Bishop accidentally shooting Professor X and then chasing Cable, that Bishop's character probably wouldn't go anywhere great after the story was over.
Yeah. In my head with the whole Bishop is a villain issue. I would've blamed the whole thing on Fitzroy. Back in Bishop: The Last X-Man he "died" and got dispersed through the time stream. I would've just said he possessed Bishop the entire time waiting and plotting revenge.

Cuz when you think about Bishop's motives during that event and that Cable book its revealed that the whole mutants in a prison camp cuz Hope grows up to kill ppl and make the world hate all mutants while possessed by the Phoenix. That **** came out of nowhere. While reason he came to the past was to find the traitor in the X-Men. First thought it was Gambit, then Prof. X, then he basically gave up (detective with Sage in Mutant town, joining the X-Men full time after his team was long dead) cuz he changed the past so much it was no longer in the path to his time.

Just blame Fitzroy, I say. Then you got Bishop as a good guy again.

Even more importantly, does anybody really care? Do you? I thought Hope's character was terribly boring to follow, though the intro storyline where Cable was running through time from Bishop (Messiah Complex?) was great.
Well, I agree. Her story following Complex was really bland. I guess, since that was the book that re-started my interest in comics, I figured that she was going to be a key character for Marvel and X-Men moving forward.

But yeah, I guess it really isn't a big deal? I mean, where did her storyline end up? Just doing some random things like Gambit? lol
:lol She did some things but nothing that ever lived up to her alleged and forced on importance.

While creating an important character, they never created a popular character. Word to Generation Hope.

Even worse after she served her purpose.
 
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"While creating an important character, they never created a popular character."

And really there's no better way to put it than that. So many people hated Hope and her attitude :lol That Mutant Messiah angle really wasn't built up properly, they never really made her a main character in her own right, and after AvX there was no more purpose to her. Heck, Idie was leagues more interesting (Though Marvel also didn't necessarily make her into a huge success either) and she was supposed to be one of Hope's good little soldiers :lol How are you gonna be raised by Cable and end up as trash man? **** kind of sense does that make?

Mine is Gambit. Dude can control Sentinels.

Cable>Bishop

Agreed, though Bishop isn't a bad character by any means. Cable's story was just far more epic in comparison, with the techno orgaic virus, being destined to kill Apocalypse, his evil clone, Scott and Jean travelling to the future to raise him, etc. There was a good deal of building there, through a lot of solid stories. It's always interesting to look back on certain eras of Marvel and how different things were then in comparison to now.

Cable, Nate Grey, Rachel Summers, Scott Summers may be dull as dirt a lot of the time, but his children consistently have interesting storylines attached to them. Crazy.
 
im still a bit confuesed with cable and nate and rachel, whose biological child are they
 
im still a bit confuesed with cable and nate and rachel, whose biological child are they

Technically, Scott Summers and Jean Grey.

Cable, Nathan Christopher Charles "Dayspring" "Askani'Son" Summers, is the biological child of Scott Summers and Madelyne Pryor-Summers, a woman who was a genetic clone of Jean Grey.

Nathaniel "Nate" Grey is a pod child/test tube baby, who was created by Mr. Sinister in the Age of Apocalypse via the combination of Scott Summers and Jean Grey's DNA.

Rachel Anne "Ray" Summers, also known as Mother Askani or Rachel Grey, is the biological child of Scott Summers and Jean Grey from the Days of Future Past.

So, all of them are Summers/Grey children, just from different timelines. Cable is from the main timeline, was taken into a future timeline and raised there (Due to being infected with a virus that was beyond the capability of modern medicine to treat). Hence him being physically older than either of his parents. Nate was born in an alternate timeline and travelled to the main timeline right as his was being destroyed. Rachel was born in an alternate future timeline, separate from Cable's, and then travelled to the past.
 
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so Rachel is Cables's sister/ foster mom?

Yes, ALL of them are siblings by blood/genetics, but of the 3, Rachel and Cable by far have had the closest bond over the years. This is because, at the height of her powers, she displayed the ability to travel through time/send people's minds through time to both the past and the future. Part of this involved her getting sent into the future from the main timeline to the future timeline that Cable had been sent to. There, she founded the Askani Clan and directly took part in the events that led to Cable coming to that future to begin with, eventually becoming Mother Askani. During this time she brought the minds of both Scott and Jean to the future, in new bodies, to raise Cable. She then died in this timeline. However, time travel being what it is, this timeline became it's own separate reality and Cable, on a later mission to rescue Rachel, managed to save a version of Rachel from before she became Mother Askani. So, Rachel is Cable's sister, but the Mother Askani version that she grew up into played a role in raising him as well. So technically, there have been 2 Rachel Summers'.

Time travel man :lol
 
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For all theoretical purposes, Nate Grey is just an alternate reality version of Cable.
 
Yes

1000


Nate is Cable, had he not been infected with the techno organic virus and his powers been allowed to fully develop.
 
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So what NON-Marvel & DC comics ppl reading in here?

Very late with this reply but I never really pop in here much since the thread is heavy marvel and DC

Current reading list:

Saga
Invincible
Walking dead
Nail bitter
Copperhead
Empress
Postal (this is probably my favorite newer series)

I always try to sneak in some vintage vertigo as well.
Finally got around to finishing up preacher a couple months ago. Gonna finally finish fables over the holidays.
 
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i never ran into nate comics what powers exactly?

Whoo boy, lets see, off the top of my head:

Telekinesis
Telepathy
Precog
Dimensional Travel
Psychometry
Immortality, as he gained the ability to exist as living energy and to remake his body
Possession
Energy Absorption
Energy Manipualtion
Psychic Energy Weapons
Astral Projection
Technopathy/Cyberpathy (Communicate with computers)
Power Manipulation
Intangibility
Healing
Matter Manipulation
Gravity Manipulation
Teleportation
Time Manipulation
Reality Warping


And the Telekinesis and Telepathy really can't be underestimated, because, as an Omega Level Mutant and as the person who was created to be the ultimate Mutant, he can use both for a variety of things beyond just moving objects and reading minds. Before he even reached the height of his powers he was compared to the Phoenix in terms of ability.
 
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As far as limits for Nate though, since Sinister made him in a lab as a test tube baby every now and then there's talk about him burning out his powers or his life force and dying.

But as aforementioned, he gained/learned he could manipulate energy and remake his body. This is around the time he became the Mutant Shaman.

He's been ghost for some time now. Last time I saw him he was in a New Mutants book or I think it a book with those characters with a different title. They had found some reason to nerf his powers.
 
Very late with this reply but I never really pop in here much since the thread is heavy marvel and DC

Current reading list:

Saga
Invincible
Walking dead
Nail bitter
Copperhead
Empress
Postal (this is probably my favorite newer series)

I always try to sneak in some vintage vertigo as well.
Finally got around to finishing up preacher a couple months ago. Gonna finally finish fables over the holidays.

Hmmm i never heard of Nail Biter, Copperhead or Empress. And its funny u brought up Postal. Think i found the #1 to that comic recently for super cheap along with the #1 to Spawn :hat And im on like issue 31 for Preacher. 90s Vertigo stuff is fire. I love how dark most of it is lol

Right now the non DC & Marvel stuff im reading is...

Black Monday Murders
Snotgirl (jawn is funny, dont judge me haha)
Eclipse
Frostbite

There some others that i cant remember right now
 
As far as limits for Nate though, since Sinister made him in a lab as a test tube baby every now and then there's talk about him burning out his powers or his life force and dying.

But as aforementioned, he gained/learned he could manipulate energy and remake his body. This is around the time he became the Mutant Shaman.

He's been ghost for some time now. Last time I saw him he was in a New Mutants book or I think it a book with those characters with a different title. They had found some reason to nerf his powers.

Yeah, he burned his powers out during a conflict with Sugar Man in order to send him home. Afterwards he's then been with the New Mutants and not doing much. Now that I think about it though, all of Scott's children have had their powers fluctuate over the years for various reasons. Cable do to the virus, Rachel due to the Phoenix, and Nate, at first, because he was still learning to control them. Hate when that happens and I wouldn't mind him, or any of his siblings, getting a new solo title.
 
Hmmm i never heard of Nail Biter, Copperhead or Empress. And its funny u brought up Postal. Think i found the #1 to that comic recently for super cheap along with the #1 to Spawn :hat And im on like issue 31 for Preacher. 90s Vertigo stuff is fire. I love how dark most of it is lol

Right now the non DC & Marvel stuff im reading is...

Black Monday Murders
Snotgirl (jawn is funny, dont judge me haha)
Eclipse
Frostbite

There some others that i cant remember right now


My girl absolutely loves snotgirl lol. I do want to read it.

Outside of marvel/DC

Everything TMNT
Southern Bastards
Kill or Be Killed
5 Ghosts
Art Ops (super behind on that)
TWD
Usagi Yojimbo
 
My girl absolutely loves snotgirl lol. I do want to read it.

Outside of marvel/DC

Everything TMNT
Southern Bastards
Kill or Be Killed
5 Ghosts
Art Ops (super behind on that)
TWD
Usagi Yojimbo

Yea its actually pretty interesting & funny

And man idk how i forgot Kill Or Be Killed :x

Thats prob my fav comic right now. I wish Image made t shirts for their comics
 
I am trying to get into Old Man Logan but I am a bit confused.

I read a bit of Oldman Logan Vol. 1 (Berserker) but then realized after that there was a Vol. 0?? When I started reading that, I realized that the original old man Logan was released in 2010 but Vol 0 and Vol 1 were released in 2015 and 2016.

I am so confused and don't know where to start. Some help will be appreciated 8o

Side note: This is only the second comic I've ever read. I am currently just on Saga.
 
I am trying to get into Old Man Logan but I am a bit confused.

I read a bit of Oldman Logan Vol. 1 (Berserker) but then realized after that there was a Vol. 0?? When I started reading that, I realized that the original old man Logan was released in 2010 but Vol 0 and Vol 1 were released in 2015 and 2016.

I am so confused and don't know where to start. Some help will be appreciated 8o

Side note: This is only the second comic I've ever read. I am currently just on Saga.

Well, there are 3 Old Man Logan series/mini-series.

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The above is the original, released in 2010. It was an alternate universe story that created the Old Man Logan concept. This is where you should always start to famliarize yourself with things.

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Then there's Volume 0. This is something of a follow-up to the previous one, while also tying the Old Man Logan character into the recent (2015) Secret War event that was running throughout the Marvel Universe. It's really just a tie-in/side story to the main event itself, featuring a specific area of the universe that was created during Secret War, specifically Old Man Logan's part of it.

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Then you want Volume 1, which follows after the conclusion of Secret War, where Old Man Logan has been transported to the main Marvel Universe.
 
I see. I wasn't sure if one was the prequel to the other so thanks for the direction!
 
Any Judge Dredd fans in here? If so, what's a good place to start in the comics?

Watching the Stallone film on Netflix right now and it's pretty good.
 
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