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Ware+Ellis>>>>>>>>>>KGB, Kampman
Packer fan talk about how good there pass rushers are but cowboys rushers are as or better then the packers rushers
Packer fan talk about how good there pass rushers are but cowboys rushers are as or better then the packers rushers
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Ware+Ellis>>>>>>>>>>KGB, Kampman
Packer fan talk about how good there pass rushers are but cowboys rushers are as or better then the packers rushers
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^^^ dont forget greg didnt play for 5 weeks i believe ... and he not only gets sacks his damns elf but opens it up for demarcus ... and our starting NT is outfor the year but I forgot injuries dont count for the cowboys ... lets see how many sacks kgb and kamp get if they arent able to play this week ... know yourfootball
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What's worse than Cowboys and Packer fans arguing back and forth?
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Jason Witten > Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Robinson
Witten is great, no doubt, but that is a joke. Donald Lee is playing pretty damn well right now too...
Originally Posted by isaxSJthebay08
Ware+Ellis>>>>>>>>>>KGB, Kampman
Packer fan talk about how good there pass rushers are but cowboys rushers are as or better then the packers rushers
fraij's post said it all
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I don't think you can get sacks without playing?
If you want to play the out for 5 weeks card, go ahead. Just know that KGB plays 1 out of every 5 downs (defensively) and still gets those numbers. What thehell do you mean with know your football? Our defensive line has THREE sack league leaders, who total 6 FF.
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... ... ... what do you think my point is? add the sacks that ellis and ware and others would have had if ellis was HEALTHY all year and we would be looking at ware probably in the teens right now and ellis with a few more along with spencer and spears increasing their totals ...
If you want to play the out for 5 weeks card, go ahead. Just know that KGB plays 1 out of every 5 downs (defensively) and still gets those numbers. What the hell do you mean with know your football? Our defensive line has THREE sack league leaders, who total 6 FF.
... ... ... ... ... lets see, kgb only plays 20% of the time on D ... ... ... I'm guessing even if that is the case (which i doubt is true, but I'm not sure so I don't really know) he comes in on passing downs where his only job is to rush the passer ... thank you for proving my point as ware and ellis have to play the run all game and still rush the passer and still get those numbers ... there is no breathers for ware he plays every down and is a beast better than kgb will ever be ... know your footbal in reference to comparing peoples stats who havent even played and being all giddy because you have two shutdown corners who allow you to blitz more on d whereas we have been playing soft and dropping coverage all year ... put your secondary on our team and ware and ellis have more sacks easily, but because we have 2 holes in our secondary damn near every play (reeves and williams in coverage) we cant let loose like we want to ...
" I'm glad you have access to a parallel universe where you can see possible results, stats, etc. of if's and but's" - Some NT'er
The KGB thing is true, and you're right about the passing downs... Still you're comparing a DE to a LB. If you don't even know how KGB plays,how can you say Ware is better than he will ever be? I mean, I'm a homer, but you're a homer who has smoked one to many with Marley. I'd also liketo add Fraij didn't COMPARE stats, he simply showed the leaderboard. The fact that 3 of them are Packers is simply coincidental.
P.S. You know nothing about the Packers defense if you think our secondary allows us to "blitz more". What actually happens is our DL is so good,we don't have to blitz, and still bring crazy pressure. Look at the Lions and Carolina game sacks, only 1 or 2 of them involved 5+ man rushes. We get sackswith 2-3 (4 if KGB is in) man rushes.
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yeah and in that parallel universe i live in, its obvious that if a person who is one of the leaders in sacks so far this year played in 4 or 5 more gameshealthy than he has, he probably would have more sacks ... i dont know that might be reaching a little ... ... ...
and i do stand corrected, you are right about your front four getting pressure, but what i meant to say was your secondary shuts down opposing receivers towhere you can get coverage sacks ... If the Cowboys have ONE coverage sack this year, I would be surprised ... Dont underestimate the job your secondary does,having good cover corners and safeties makes your d line look a lot better than it really is even though they are good ... and ware>kgb bottom line dontmake that argument please
and i do stand corrected, you are right about your front four getting pressure, but what i meant to say was your secondary shuts down opposing receivers towhere you can get coverage sacks ... If the Cowboys have ONE coverage sack this year, I would be surprised ... Dont underestimate the job your secondary does,having good cover corners and safeties makes your d line look a lot better than it really is even though they are good ... and ware>kgb bottom line dontmake that argument please
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Greg Ellis production is impressive .. helps Ware out a lot
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I was going to make the coverage sacks argument, but was lazy
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really? you are the ultimate homer. lets see, ware is in his third season and has a total of 28.5 sacks. kampman at the end of his third year was at 7 sacks. since 2005 kampman has a total of 33 sacks, compared to wares total of 28.5. yes kampman is a good player, but easily better than ware? you should really just stop posting. you look like a fool.
I wish I had access to film of Kampman on every single down. He NEVER stops, he makes whoever is assigned to him (double team or not) look silly, etc.I'm talking about right now, even then, yes I reached a bit, but the idea of saying that was to be just as ignorant as saying one player is better thananother when you don't even know the player you're comparing with nor do they play the same position.
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I was just about to respond to another one of your posts regarding the pass rush until I saw this...
Guaranteed you are one of the VERY few people that would make that argument, so I'm not gonna bother.
I reached, and I maintain that you can't compare a DE to a LB in different defensive systems. Which is contradictory...
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youre confusing even yourself lol ... but on the real Cowboys > Packers ... but I wouldnt be surprised if the packers win, but I'm not worried becausein the playoffs lambeau aint too tuff word to mike vick in jail
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... Freedom of speech isn't always a good luck apparently.
Did you just say it's easy to play in Lambeau? Do you have any idea how different playing inside an Arena is compared to playing out doors infreakin' Wisconsin? If you think the Cowboys are a better team, fine, but by that statement I can tell you're just safeguarding so that if the Packerswin, you can say you predicted it but Cowboys are still the better team.
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youre going back to '02 on that one pal, lots changed since then... you displayed that fact best, word to mike vick in jail