If anyone watches Laker games on the regular, Kobe yells, "He can't guard me," all the time, not just to Shane Battier, Walton &LO do not back down are regularly jaw and talk to opponent. With the exception of DFish's elbow, there is nothing new to these Lakers in this series.
got shoes:
23ska909red02:
This dude is so dirty.
On the Kobe & Shane gif. Can't you see he was trying to get up. If Shane didn't rush to get up he wouldn't been hit. Ya'll be reaching
No dude.He clearly tried to give Shane a little nudge to the head with his forearm.
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
^ No dude.He clearly tried to give Shane a little nudge to the head with his forearm.
On the Kobe & Shane gif. Can't you see he was trying to get up. If Shane didn't rush to get up he wouldn't been hit. Ya'll be reachingOriginally Posted by 23ska909red02
got shoes:
23ska909red02:
This dude is so dirty.
Because it also takes an elbow to the head to get up right?Originally Posted by got shoes
On the Kobe & Shane gif. Can't you see he was trying to get up. If Shane didn't rush to get up he wouldn't been hit. Ya'll be reachingOriginally Posted by 23ska909red02
This dude is so dirty.
Originally Posted by sole searchin
Originally Posted by CP1708
Shuges, dirty?
2 plays right? We're talkin about two plays, Kobe bow, and the Fish TKO.
Cuz, everyone on this board calls us soft, now we're dirty? Can't have both people. It's one or the other.
Scola wants it with LO, then he moves on to Luke Walton of all people, then he wants some of Sasha, and then he gets his a^^ handed to him by the smallest Laker of all?Fish sent a message. Loud and clear.
It's the other way around if you were watching the game at all. LO was talking to Scola all game and Odom got in his face, then Scola turns and Walton is there to do absolutely nothing but start something as well as Vujusuck. Don't get it twisted, Scola ain't gonna back down if your coming at him, and that is what it was, there were coming at him not the other way around and it just so happened that Scola didn't back down like they thought he would.
How did he get his butt handed to him by D. Fish? Guy sets screen, Guy B lowers his shoulder and puts his elbow and weight into him. What'd you what Scola to do? Have telemorphic powers and and know that that was coming. It's all good. We got what we wanted at least a split in L.A. Ain't nothing, we play this way, with heart, with class.
Face it, we're in the Laker's heads and its effecting ya'll. Fakers changing up there play because they know what they been doing ain't getting it done therefore they using dirty tactics to try to get back into it and motivate themselves.
Craftsy21:
Even though I said 'dirty' a second ago, it wasn't really that they wanted to play dirty. It's that they realized they were worthless against a solid NBA defense, so they started trying to bully the Rockets around.
As I said in another post - and I hate doing this because I think Phil Jackson is a VERY overrated head coach... BUT - I believe his gameplan, after seeing how physical the Rockets were going to play them, was to force the refs hand in this second game. To get things very chippy out there so that the rest of the series would be called super tight, allowing the Lakers to play more their style.
This was a chess move by Phil and the Lakers - who saw that the Rockets were trying to make this series a measure of pure strength and toughness.. so the Lakers responded with their own style and outsmarted the Rockets a bit. Now you're going to see a finesse series so that we don't get a brawl, which the NBA will try it's hardest to prevent.
That's an interesting theory, and it makes perfect sense. Never thought of it that way. The Rockets play solid but physical defense, so Philtells the guys to get the refs involved in the game, and since the Rockets are by no means perfect in their physical play, they would maybe have to back off alittle bit if the refs stay involved in the game. That frees the Lakers up to play more finesse, and cripples the Rockets from relying on their main identity:smart, hard defense. They'd be reduced to smart defense, which the Lakers would definitely feel more comfortable against given that the alternative issmart, hard defense.
We'll see tomorrow night if you're right. If the Rockets have any success against us tomorrow night ad you're right, I would expect the Lakers tostart getting the refs back into the game by pulling off dirty stunts again.
Craftsy21:
To the rest of the kobe haters out there - i'm done for now, you guys are ridiculous... the guy who asked where Ron was supposed to put his hands if not on the back of a players neck?
It's so funny to me that out of the two guys you could support - Kobe or Ron.. you guys choose the one who is just a manic hothead... you defend him running over at Kobe and getting right in his face after the play and getting thrown out of the game. Imagine if Kobe pulled that against somebody else... the backlash that would take place here.
Do people no longer judge a persons actions anymore? They just check the name on your jersey and say pass or fail? You guys are a joke that let your emotions get that tied up on a person who doesn't even know you.
On the question 'A player isn't judged by his actions anymore?', I have a question: What's more telling about a person, theirprevious actions or their most recent actions?
Because Ron has been flying under the radar for quite some time now, and if you really look at what he did, you'll see it really wasn't that bad. Hegot elbowed in the neck area, that we know. He immediately went to a REF, not Kobe, that we know (watch the replay). Then after talking to the ref on thesideline OPPOSITE Kobe, Artest seems still frustrated with being elbowed in the throat, and the ref is apparently going to do nothing about it, that we know.Then he runs over to the other side of the court to Kobe, and according to him (Ron), he says something to the effect of 'Dude, you need to chill with allthis 'elbow to the face and neck' stuff. We can't be doing that to each other.' Me personally, I believe Ron when he says that's what hesaid.
So he gets elbowed in the neck area, goes to a ref, talks for a few seconds, sees that nothing is going to be done to stop Kobe from doing that again, goesover to Kobe to tell him himself 'Don't do that again', and he gets tossed.
Honestly, I feel bad for him. He handled it the right way the first time, and I don't have a problem with how he confronted Kobe... IF he's beingtruthful in telling us what was said. Now, if he's lying, and it were revealed that he said something confrontational, then I don't have a problem atall with him getting the boot.
Originally Posted by Chuck Finster
This proof is right *@+%@#% in front of you and people refuse to believe it. They were both dirty. I don't give a #%%@ were the elbow landed. Neck, chest, groin, it doesn't matter. He threw an elbow came down and gathered himself, then went up for the rebound.
There is absolutely no justification for the Shane play. If he didn't rush to get up? A knee and then an elbow might wanna make you get up.
A bunch of "mental gymnastics" goin on here.
Except you aren't even seeing the plays how they correctly happened..Originally Posted by Chuck Finster
This proof is right *@+%@#% in front of you and people refuse to believe it. They were both dirty. I don't give a #%%@ were the elbow landed. Neck, chest, groin, it doesn't matter. He threw an elbow came down and gathered himself, then went up for the rebound.
There is absolutely no justification for the Shane play. If he didn't rush to get up? A knee and then an elbow might wanna make you get up.
A bunch of "mental gymnastics" goin on here.
As I said in another post - and I hate doing this because I think Phil Jackson is a VERY overrated head coach... BUT - I believe his gameplan, after seeing how physical the Rockets were going to play them, was to force the refs hand in this second game. To get things very chippy out there so that the rest of the series would be called super tight, allowing the Lakers to play more their style.
Craftsy21:
To the rest of the kobe haters out there - i'm done for now, you guys are ridiculous... the guy who asked where Ron was supposed to put his hands if not on the back of a players neck?
It's so funny to me that out of the two guys you could support - Kobe or Ron.. you guys choose the one who is just a manic hothead... you defend him running over at Kobe and getting right in his face after the play and getting thrown out of the game. Imagine if Kobe pulled that against somebody else... the backlash that would take place here.
Do people no longer judge a persons actions anymore? They just check the name on your jersey and say pass or fail? You guys are a joke that let your emotions get that tied up on a person who doesn't even know you.
On the question 'A player isn't judged by his actions anymore?', I have a question: What's more telling about a person, their previous actions or their most recent actions?
Because Ron has been flying under the radar for quite some time now, and if you really look at what he did, you'll see it really wasn't that bad. He got elbowed in the neck area, that we know. He immediately went to a REF, not Kobe, that we know (watch the replay). Then after talking to the ref on the sideline OPPOSITE Kobe, Artest seems still frustrated with being elbowed in the throat, and the ref is apparently going to do nothing about it, that we know. Then he runs over to the other side of the court to Kobe, and according to him (Ron), he says something to the effect of 'Dude, you need to chill with all this 'elbow to the face and neck' stuff. We can't be doing that to each other.' Me personally, I believe Ron when he says that's what he said.
So he gets elbowed in the neck area, goes to a ref, talks for a few seconds, sees that nothing is going to be done to stop Kobe from doing that again, goes over to Kobe to tell him himself 'Don't do that again', and he gets tossed.
Honestly, I feel bad for him. He handled it the right way the first time, and I don't have a problem with how he confronted Kobe... IF he's being truthful in telling us what was said. Now, if he's lying, and it were revealed that he said something confrontational, then I don't have a problem at all with him getting the boot.
wrong. you must not have seen the proper camera angle to make a judgement. you are wrong, he lied to the refs, he was NOT hit in the neck or throad
imagine if Kobe would have lied like that to the refs and made up some story about getting elbowed in the throat after going over the back on someone. kobehaters would be killin him on NT
Craftsy21:
Think you're reaching a bit Ska - but you'd never do that against Kobe, right?
That's the thing, I don't think I've ever denied my biases.I know that my opinion of Kobe affects my interpretation of his actions, andthe same goes for Ron. I know that my opinion (fandom) of Ron is affecting my interpretation of what he did before getting tossed.
I just get irritated when I see other people deny their biases saying things like 'I know I'm a Kobe fan, but that has nothing to do with me thinkingthat he did nothing wrong, or my thinking that all of you are just haters getting your reach on.' I just laugh to myself and think 'Yes... yes, yourbias has EVERYTHING to do with your interpretation of the same play us 'haters' are seeing, and our bias has everything to do with what you'reseeing.'
D'ah well. What are you gonna do, right? As long as people keep their composure and don't resort to making personal comments, then it's all justshhh and giggles.
Lizaker4Lizife:
23ska909red02:
Craftsy21:
To the rest of the kobe haters out there - i'm done for now, you guys are ridiculous... the guy who asked where Ron was supposed to put his hands if not on the back of a players neck?
It's so funny to me that out of the two guys you could support - Kobe or Ron.. you guys choose the one who is just a manic hothead... you defend him running over at Kobe and getting right in his face after the play and getting thrown out of the game. Imagine if Kobe pulled that against somebody else... the backlash that would take place here.
Do people no longer judge a persons actions anymore? They just check the name on your jersey and say pass or fail? You guys are a joke that let your emotions get that tied up on a person who doesn't even know you.
On the question 'A player isn't judged by his actions anymore?', I have a question: What's more telling about a person, their previous actions or their most recent actions?
Because Ron has been flying under the radar for quite some time now, and if you really look at what he did, you'll see it really wasn't that bad. He got elbowed in the neck area, that we know. He immediately went to a REF, not Kobe, that we know (watch the replay). Then after talking to the ref on the sideline OPPOSITE Kobe, Artest seems still frustrated with being elbowed in the throat, and the ref is apparently going to do nothing about it, that we know. Then he runs over to the other side of the court to Kobe, and according to him (Ron), he says something to the effect of 'Dude, you need to chill with all this 'elbow to the face and neck' stuff. We can't be doing that to each other.' Me personally, I believe Ron when he says that's what he said.
So he gets elbowed in the neck area, goes to a ref, talks for a few seconds, sees that nothing is going to be done to stop Kobe from doing that again, goes over to Kobe to tell him himself 'Don't do that again', and he gets tossed.
Honestly, I feel bad for him. He handled it the right way the first time, and I don't have a problem with how he confronted Kobe... IF he's being truthful in telling us what was said. Now, if he's lying, and it were revealed that he said something confrontational, then I don't have a problem at all with him getting the boot.
wrong. you must not have seen the proper camera angle to make a judgement. you are wrong, he lied to the refs, he was NOT hit in the neck or throad
Show me. Otherwise, all I have is your word; all have is you telling me I was wrong.
Show me.
I know from the angle I posted before, it DEFINITELY looks like Kobe elbowed Ron in the NECK AREA. If I'm wrong about that, that's fine, but show me.
On the question 'A player isn't judged by his actions anymore?', I have a question: What's more telling about a person, their previous actions or their most recent actions?Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
Lizaker4Lizife:
23ska909red02:
Craftsy21:
To the rest of the kobe haters out there - i'm done for now, you guys are ridiculous... the guy who asked where Ron was supposed to put his hands if not on the back of a players neck?
It's so funny to me that out of the two guys you could support - Kobe or Ron.. you guys choose the one who is just a manic hothead... you defend him running over at Kobe and getting right in his face after the play and getting thrown out of the game. Imagine if Kobe pulled that against somebody else... the backlash that would take place here.
Do people no longer judge a persons actions anymore? They just check the name on your jersey and say pass or fail? You guys are a joke that let your emotions get that tied up on a person who doesn't even know you.
Originally Posted by CP1708
Originally Posted by sole searchin
Originally Posted by CP1708
Shuges, dirty?
2 plays right? We're talkin about two plays, Kobe bow, and the Fish TKO.
Cuz, everyone on this board calls us soft, now we're dirty? Can't have both people. It's one or the other.
Scola wants it with LO, then he moves on to Luke Walton of all people, then he wants some of Sasha, and then he gets his a^^ handed to him by the smallest Laker of all?Fish sent a message. Loud and clear.
It's the other way around if you were watching the game at all. LO was talking to Scola all game and Odom got in his face, then Scola turns and Walton is there to do absolutely nothing but start something as well as Vujusuck. Don't get it twisted, Scola ain't gonna back down if your coming at him, and that is what it was, there were coming at him not the other way around and it just so happened that Scola didn't back down like they thought he would.
How did he get his butt handed to him by D. Fish? Guy sets screen, Guy B lowers his shoulder and puts his elbow and weight into him. What'd you what Scola to do? Have telemorphic powers and and know that that was coming. It's all good. We got what we wanted at least a split in L.A. Ain't nothing, we play this way, with heart, with class.
Face it, we're in the Laker's heads and its effecting ya'll. Fakers changing up there play because they know what they been doing ain't getting it done therefore they using dirty tactics to try to get back into it and motivate themselves.
Listen to yourself.
Scola is some hero who doesn't back down, but the Lakers are clowns for standing up for themselves just the same?Did any of them back down? Or did they do EXACTLY what you are praising Scola for?
How about not flying 8 feet after the smallest Laker on the team bodies you. Would that be ok? Fish didn't hit him from behind, he could see Fish right there, he knew there would be at least some contact. He couldn't hold up to Fish? Come on. Scola ain't small, he got bodied. I don't know any other way to say it. Either bodied or he flopped, you pick.
You're in our heads and it's affecting us? You really beleive that? It was just a basketball game right? Lakers were up 10 when this all happened right? It got heated, words were said, that's it. Nothing more. Heat of battle. Cheap shots, dirty hits, whatever you feel is appropriate, but in our heads?????
Changing up their play = make adjustments correct? Oh. We're stupid for that.
Come on B, you're better then that.
Originally Posted by FrenchBlue23
I see what Fisher was doing there when he knocked down Scola.
No team wants to be called soft, but then when they try not to be soft they are called dirty.
I wish I had seen this intensity from the get go in Game 1.
