Tdogg - you are attributing way more noble motives to Stannis than is justified by anything depicted on the show. He was going after the throne because he thought he was the rightful heir and because Mel was in his ear telling him he should be king. He wasn't out to be some savior or particularly benevolent ruler. If he was willing to have his own Daughter burned alive just to get power, what would he do keep power? And your "for the greater good" justification for Stannis' actions is real hypocritical considering how you **** on Jon Snow for being a "turn cloak", etc. Jon's actions, at least in the last 3 Seasons, have been about giving people a chance against the White Wlakers and he hasn't done anything nearly as egregious as signing off on his own Brother and Daughter getting murdered. If you're going to give Stannis a pass for his actions using your "train" analogy, you definitely should be giving Jon one too.
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1. there is no thinking he is the rightful heir....he is the rightful heir. the lannister children are not Roberts. all of roberts bastards are not recognized....next in the line of succession is Stannis; there is no denying that.
2. Stannis said (paraphrasing) I am what this realm needs to return to it's greatness. so yes he was purely doing it to be the savior of the 7 kingdoms, which had been in turmoil (but at peace) with Robert there.
3. My hate for jon isn't hate because of his actions. my hate for Jon comes from the fact yall praise him still for constantly ******* up.
1. runs to the nights watch because step mommy don't love him and he'll never be a stark.... yet ned loved him the same as the rest, he didnt get to eat at the table...why was he so upset??? because he always had aspirations of one day ruling winterfell
2. then runs away from the night watch (which is punishable as we saw ned slicing off a head) why. because he should have never went to the nights watch in the first place. now his "father" is dead and his brother is goign in to war.
3. he slips up with not killing ygrette, they have to go to plan B which is let him become turncloak. to get closer to the enemy. (that's fine) but then he falls in love with the chick. are the wildlings bad people.. no ofcourse not. but he turned away from his duties at the nights watch. and screwed over the wildlings. it was a double edged sword.
4. Sam is the one who found the Dragon glass in the show. and he's the one who was forced to study about it. so to say jon spent 3 seasons trying to give the people a chance against white walkers is a little false.
he was never particularly setting up war against them, just saw them and was preparing defense for them. ..
and Jon picked the one he loved. she just didn't pick him.
Chose her by not killing her at first.
chose her when she got wind of him about to make his move to leave the wildlings.
and chose her by trying to find her and not kill her. he only cared for her. .more so than the nights watch or the realm.
she just chose to be with the wildings.
he chose to involve himself with the 7 kingdoms which they're sworn not to do. was going to take the nights watch with him and the wildings. for his Sister (chose 1 over the many)
They're not comparable.
yet yall still super cape for himlike he's the best thing since the microwave. I dont get it.
