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[IATT]

But the only thing he really accomplished with that move was turning cersei against the boltons.. And he said he would deal with them without the crown's help

And getting the boltons on his side by giving them Sansa





But Stannis was going their anyways.. And cersei was screwing herself and the crown with the tyrells anyways.. My point is, he could have chilled then decided how to play the Sansa card, since those things were happening anyways

 

[rolaholic]

He couldn't have played the Sansa card with Stannis since he was at the Wall when he got summoned by Cersei. Turning her against the Boltons is a big power play, though. That's the only way he could ever have a shot at Winterfell. 

 

[tdogg2k]

He knows stannis will save/spare sansa because sansa is needed to win over the north.. he saves sansa.. sansa is thankful.. he gets the north on his side for the war. She tells him about little finger....who no one has knowledge of his real deeds ( just assumes hes a snake..) he gets pardoned by stannis. Stannis makes him warden.. bam. (Since sansa will probably want nothing to do with warden)

 

[HNL HI]

But the only thing he really accomplished with that move was turning cersei against the boltons.. And he said he would deal with them without the crown's help

And getting the boltons on his side by giving them Sansa





But Stannis was going their anyways.. And cersei was screwing herself and the crown with the tyrells anyways.. My point is, he could have chilled then decided how to play the Sansa card, since those things were happening anyways

And if Stannis rolls the Boltons? He's going to give the north to little finger? If he took Salsa to Cercei she wouldnt be able to go back on the deal with the Boltons. From what we've seen so far this puts him in the best position to become warden. Let them fight each other, send in the bannerman from the vale and roll in later after the dust settles.

 

[HNL HI]

He knows stannis will save/spare sansa because sansa is needed to win over the north.. he saves sansa.. sansa is thankful.. he gets the north on his side for the war. She tells him about little finger....who no one has knowledge of his real deeds ( just assumes hes a snake..) he gets pardoned by stannis. Stannis makes him warden.. bam. (Since sansa will probably want nothing to do with warden)

Sansa could die during the battle, then what?

 

[rolaholic]

 

He knows stannis will save/spare sansa because sansa is needed to win over the north.. he saves sansa.. sansa is thankful.. he gets the north on his side for the war. She tells him about little finger....who no one has knowledge of his real deeds ( just assumes hes a snake..) he gets pardoned by stannis. Stannis makes him warden.. bam. (Since sansa will probably want nothing to do with warden)

Sansa could die during the battle, then what?

Not as long as she's around...

 

[IATT]

Yall are making my point.. He has multiple ways to play the Sansa card.. He had no real need to make that move now

He can play that card with 3/4 of the families about to fight each other..



1) Stannis wins, he takes a stark to Stannis (who is pro Starks and wants the north with him).. Which gets littlefinger in with him

2) boltons win, he can do exactly what he did

3) if cersei, somehow makes it out of everything alive and well.. Littlefinger can just take her head differently to her (as he agreed to do)


With the tyrells, the Sansa card holds weight if Stannis wins.. Then you strengthen your alliance with them.. So you, tyrells and Stannis basically take down the cersei

 

[Barbados Slim]

Please stop trying to make Rickon a thing, it ain't gonna happen.

 Bruh he's gonna take back the north on the back of shaggy dog.

On a serious note, 

@Rusty Shackelford  is't completely wrong. Rickon being alive throws wrench into little fingers plan. Rickon has a better claim to the north than Sansa so really he is the key to the north that nobody knows about. Technically Bran has the best claim, but we all know he isn't going anywhere. All Rickon has to do is show up and not die and the north will rally behind him. 

 

[IATT]

He couldn't have played the Sansa card with Stannis since he was at the Wall when he got summoned by Cersei. Turning her against the Boltons is a big power play, though. That's the only way he could ever have a shot at Winterfell. 

Remember my point is he should have stayed in the vale where he was basically untouchable.. Let everyone else play their cards and remove players from the board


Then you strike

 

[HNL HI]

 

 

He knows stannis will save/spare sansa because sansa is needed to win over the north.. he saves sansa.. sansa is thankful.. he gets the north on his side for the war. She tells him about little finger....who no one has knowledge of his real deeds ( just assumes hes a snake..) he gets pardoned by stannis. Stannis makes him warden.. bam. (Since sansa will probably want nothing to do with warden)

Sansa could die during the battle, then what?

Not as long as she's around...

Her last name is Stark, she could die inbetween episodes.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Little Finger seems to be ten steps ahead of even RR Martin

Dude's scheme game is seriously off the charts, and got the audible game of Peyton Manning. Dude will find a way.

 

[geministar93]

Speaking of Rickon,I miss Osha's ratchet *** 

Yes lawd!

Them yambs looked like they smelt ripe.

 

[rolaholic]

I have a feeling that the remaining Stark kids are here for the long haul...I hope 

As of now Rickon isn't even on the map in the current scheme of things but should he show up, things will definitely get real interesting fast 

 

He couldn't have played the Sansa card with Stannis since he was at the Wall when he got summoned by Cersei. Turning her against the Boltons is a big power play, though. That's the only way he could ever have a shot at Winterfell. 

Remember my point is he should have stayed in the vale where he was basically untouchable.. Let everyone else play their cards and remove players from the board


Then you strike

Most of the main players have already played their cards. Cersei by allowing the faith to take over KL and arrest Loras basically ending her alliance with the Tyrells and Stannis by marching on Winterfell. He basically decided to make his move quickly before all hell breaks loose and events become unpredictable and fall out of his control. Now he has a lot more say in the outcome than he would have had had he stayed on the sidelines like Lysa always did.

His pragmatism is what's gotten him this far and it's what's gonna get him that much closer to his goal imo. 

 

[HNL HI]

Yall are making my point.. He has multiple ways to play the Sansa card.. He had no real need to make that move now

He can play that card with 3/4 of the families about to fight each other..



1) Stannis wins, he takes a stark to Stannis (who is pro Starks and wants the north with him).. Which gets littlefinger in with him

2) boltons win, he can do exactly what he did

3) if cersei, somehow makes it out of everything alive and well.. Littlefinger can just take her head differently to her (as he agreed to do)


With the tyrells, the Sansa card holds weight if Stannis wins.. Then you strengthen your alliance with them.. So you, tyrells and Stannis basically take down the cersei

lots of variables.

1) is not a sure thing, stannis will offer him warden? he's not even on the iron throne

2) youre forced to go against the boltons full steam

3) you deliver salsa to cercei but what does she give you? not the north. the crown is still in good terms with the boltons.

 

[IATT]

Or get himself killed.. As much as he would like to think he can control cersei and/or the boltons he can't..

He can get reactions out of them.. He can get some desired results.. But he can't possibly hope or dream of controlling them (as shown by cersei' stupidity with the tyrells given the crowns situation and dependency on them)

This did happen:

 

[rolaholic]

He doesn't have to control them to get what he wants,all he needs to do is sit back tight and let them self destruct. They're well on their way 

,he can maybe even help accelerate the process.

 

[IATT]

Most of the main players have already played their cards. Cersei by allowing the faith to take over KL and arrest Loras basically ending her alliance with the Tyrells and Stannis by marching on Winterfell. He basically decided to make his move quickly before all hell breaks loose and events become unpredictable and fall out of his control. Now he has a lot more say in the outcome than he would have had had he stayed on the sidelines like Lysa always did.

His pragmatism is what's gotten him this far and it's what's gonna get him that much closer to his goal imo. 

All hell breaking loose is exactly why you want to stay above the fray.. And the unpredictable is coming

So you stay out of the way in the vale.. But stay informed.. When when things become more predictable, that is when you strike.. Which is what Tywin did

 

[geministar93]

Cersai dumb*** don't even realize that everything she is doing might come to fall back horribly on Tommen. Then she going to be crying about how another one of her children were killed.

Every time she gets pressed she say some **** like "it twas the king's wish". Everybody knows it's her pulling the strings but the goons still might get at Tommen just to let her know what time it is. In westeros women and children can get it.

Ol dumb ***.

 

[IATT]

He doesn't have to control them to get what he wants,all he needs to do is sit back tight and let them self destruct. They're well on their way  ,he can maybe even help accelerate the process.

And this was going to happen anyways.. Cersei is digging her own grave.. And Stannis is going to winterfell

Ramsay has shown previously he doesn't know/care of the true worth of assets.. As he father had to explain with the whole theon thing

 

[elpablo21]

Cersai dumb*** don't even realize that everything she is doing might come to fall back horribly on Tommen. Then she going to be crying about how another one of her children were killed.

Every time she gets pressed she say some **** like "it twas the king's wish". Everybody knows it's her pulling the strings but the goons still might get at Tommen just to let her know what time it is. In westeros women and children can get it.

Ol dumb ***.

Her slow minded self has yet to realize she has been undermining her own son the whole time

 

[IATT]

As has been mentioned cersei is burning bridges with the last thing that is truly saving her and her family (the tyrells)

She has shown she has no appreciation/understanding for the iron bank.. And she has empowered some religious fanatics, who she only knows about because of her cousin who she was also sleeping with and is currently one of their order




Just as a reference point.. Cersei on the iron bank and also her father clearly outlines the importance of the tyrells to their house:

 

[rolaholic]

 

He doesn't have to control them to get what he wants,all he needs to do is sit back tight and let them self destruct. They're well on their way 

,he can maybe even help accelerate the process.

And this was going to happen anyways.. Cersei is digging her own grave.. And Stannis is going to winterfell

Ramsay has shown previously he doesn't know/care of the true worth of assets.. As he father had to explain with the whole theon thing

He would've never been able to get Cersei to offer him the North without doing what he did. He's in a much more stable situation now heading into the battle. If Stannis wins he can easily join his cause and the combined forces of his army with the knights of the Vale would probably be enough to take down any Lannister defence of KL. Not to mention the Tyrells and Martells 

 

[rolaholic]

Cersei is like the female version of the mad king but without his sadism although Joffery definitely had it 

 

[geministar93]

Random thought:

Wherever they're at, do y'all think Osha and Hodor are smashing?

Homie was like 10 inches on soft. She think she tough but I'm not too sure she want them problems. Dude might have her cervix looking like a chewed up fruit rollup by the time he done ramming her on full power.

She gonna be pushing him back with her hand telling him to chill out but the only reaction she might get is "Hodor!, Hodor!, HODOOOOOOOOORRRR!!!".

 

[IATT]

He would've never been able to get Cersei to offer him the North without doing what he did. He's in a much more stable situation now heading into the battle. If Stannis wins he can easily join his cause and the combined forces of his army with the knights of the Vale would probably be enough to take down any Lannister defence of KL. Not to mention the Tyrells and Martells 

Cersei just wants vengeance on Sansa.. He can play that card at anytime, she is the simplest one of the group.. literally

The boltons want to legitimize their claim/ties to the north

And Stannis thinks he is doing the honorable thing by restoring a stark


All things and emotions littlefinger is or should be aware of