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[rolaholic]

 

 

dude should have pumped the brakes and chilled out and watched from the sidelines.. and if he's making moves it's with little to no danger, send ravens.. go speak with the tyrells

but that doesn't make for good tv

Thing is he doesn't put himself in position to potentialy become warden of the north by chilling in the vale. He needs to make those moves.

If I'm him.. I let the Stannis Bolton thing go down..

And if the boltons win, then you play the Sansa card.. Stannis wins you go to the tyrells and get them to side with Stannis (which they happily do with what cersei has done)

I feel like that's where he's headed. He tends to strike while the iron is hot to make his moves. He's played things pretty flawlessly so far imo. Like you said,no matter the outcome,he's gonna win in some way

 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Little Finger's maneuver game is off the charts. Only Rickon will be able to stop dude from stealing the Iron Throne right under everyone's noises

 

[sfc415]

That goes back to my point of people think the scene was unnecessary. It was just there for shock value

I mean the scene really didn't accomplish anything yet. Maybe it will serves some purpose in the future and can be judge better in the future.

But as of right now. It seems pretty pointless

I mean True Detective drove on the stomach turning feeling of child molestation without ever having showing it

The producer made a creative choice people didn't like. I don't think it is unreasonable or not understandable for people to voice their displeasure

I agree that people can be upset, but this GOT we're talking about. Where was the widespread outrage when Cersei had Robert's bastards murdered? I vividly remember babies being stabbed, kids being drowned, etc. They could've implied that, right?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

People don't like rape scenes. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Especially one that seems pointless.

Unless it is the thing the makes Theon finally turn on Ramsey, that scene was pointless.

It didn't advance the plot, it did add to character development. It just seemed there to shock people

How many other outrageous violence/maiming was necessary in prior seasons?

This scene in particular wasn't pointless at all to me. It signaled the grim transition from innocence to real world of Westeros. Previously she had witnessed horrible things for sure, murder, death, to her family in particular-- but SHE was never specifically harmed, at least physically. Even being married to a psycho path like Joffery, she escaped harm. Now that her storyline has been building towards this "darker" Sansa, the event pretty much clinched the whole thing.. now her character will evolve accordingly 

Not pointless at all IMO

 

[obeahmyal7]

 
While I agree that this season seems to be dragging, you have to keep in mind that the show has pretty long story arcs which are touched upon during the course of the season.   They made a point several time this season that the crown aka Lannisters owes the Iron Bank a ton of money - so much so that they can only afford to pay less than 25% if I recall correctly.  Cersei used that as an opportunity to send Mace Tyrell away from Kings Landing to negotiate with the bank of the crown's debt.  With him out of the way, Cersei was able to hatch her plot against his children -  Loras and Margaery Tyrell.

Lady Olenna Tyrell, their grandmother, then points out to Cersei that the Tyrells provide their kingdom with money and food, which supplies are inevitably going to be pulled after what just happened to Loras and Margaery.  Without  the Tyrells' funding, the Lannisters are going to have more difficulties repaying their debt to the Iron Bank - which I'm expecting to have dire consequences against them...something Cersei hasn't looked far enough ahead to consider.

This. And the Iron Bank already lent to Stannis to hedge their bets. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

That goes back to my point of people think the scene was unnecessary. It was just there for shock value

I mean the scene really didn't accomplish anything yet. Maybe it will serves some purpose in the future and can be judge better in the future.

But as of right now. It seems pretty pointless

I mean True Detective drove on the stomach turning feeling of child molestation without ever having showing it

The producer made a creative choice people didn't like. I don't think it is unreasonable or not understandable for people to voice their displeasure

I agree that people can be upset...IF this was any other show. Where was the widespread outrage when Cersei had Robert's bastards murdered? I vividly remember babies being stabbed, kids being drowned, etc.

They brah, i don't think you can arbitrary set the rules of which emotions people feel for which shows

Regarding the baby thing. I wasn't watching the show back then, but I assume it was getting far less attention back then. But the few people that convinced me to get into the show all have voice displeasure at that being one of the things they choose to show. But I can't answer that question definitely so I'm not even going to try even fake the funk

 

[wavycrocket]

Do we forget so suddenly what the Knights watch did at Krasters keep? These dudes literally had a "rape party". The thing with the "Rape of Sansa" is that she's a major character, and someone the viewer wants to see succeed. Although she's had some terribly selfish moments that led directly to the death of others, even though she could have prevented it.

Sanaa's virginity is something that has been dangling on this show. One of Joffreys Kings Guards tried to rape her before the hound saved her. From Cersei asking her in season 1 if she's bled yet, to her marriage to Tyrion, to this rape....her virginity and beauty were essentially her power that she still retained thru all the messed up things that have happened to her and her family.

It was definitely a tough scene to watch, but if this is what turns some viewers off of Thrones, then they never really watched the series.

 

[RustyShackleford]

People don't like rape scenes. Why is that so hard to grasp?


Especially one that seems pointless.


Unless it is the thing the makes Theon finally turn on Ramsey, that scene was pointless.


It didn't advance the plot, it did add to character development. It just seemed there to shock people

How many other outrageous violence/maiming was necessary in prior seasons?

This scene in particular wasn't pointless at all to me. It signaled the grim transition from innocence to real world of Westeros. Previously she had witnessed horrible things for sure, murder, death, to her family in particular-- but SHE was never specifically harmed, at least physically. Even being married to a psycho path like Joffery, she escaped harm. Now that her storyline has been building towards this "darker" Sansa, the event pretty much clinched the whole thing.. now her character will evolve accordingly 

Not pointless at all IMO

I have already conceded that the pointless argument might change with future episodes brah

But your point only really works if it really does make Sansa a different person. But I dunno, she seems pretty different to me already.

And I won't call having you entire family killed as never being harmed. She hadn't been harmed physically, yes. But she was emotionally, a lot

 

[rolaholic]

I'm half expecting Brienne to take out Ramsay by the end of the season

 

[tdogg2k]

As SFC this show is built on stuff were not "suppose " to show or like. And by rusty definition they may as well cut out every blood and murder scene there is and just imply it....
Even if they just implied she was raped... people would still be upset. Why.......
Because its sansa...PeRIoD

This show has had rape. Murder, molestation.
The man theon we saw his entire manhood....no human(ism) be completely stripped down...no one said a thing.... we saw everything...even ramsay eating a sausage to taunt him (which i bet yall laughed about, possibly after cringing )
You telling me those scenes were more acceptable ???? To see a human being broken down to less than that... ?


And dont blame the book because us book readers didnt get that sort of detail.
But yall enjoyed the fictional television that was going on then (wait let me guess that was hard for you too and you were fighting against the show for doing it. )
Stop it.

People thought sansa was about to start winning out here. Then she got broughr back down.....period

 

[change the name Snyder]

Ramsay rides Drogon during his conquest of westeros

the Sith Lords become his council

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm half expecting Brienne to take out Ramsay by the end of the season

Ole girl can throw dem palmbs

Just ask Da Hound, that's right you can't. Brienne Tarthwitzki washed ole boy

 

[tdogg2k]

Season 2 she was beat by jofferys knight repeatedly.....did the internet shut down from that??

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I have already conceded that the pointless argument might change with future episodes brah

But your point only really works if it really does make Sansa a different person. But I dunno, she seems pretty different to me already.

And I won't call having you entire family killed as never being harmed. She hadn't been harmed physically, yes. But she was emotionally, a lot

Which is exactly why I said "physically". She was definitely starting to learn some things, but she was still pretty naive. Little Finger was having to break stuff down to her in obvious terms (and perhaps was playing her like a puppet, but none the less was teaching her the game)

This moment was literally her coming of age transition, IMO

To me the scene served a definite purpose 

 

[lawdog1]

Yeah, I really struggle with the whole "the scene was unnecessary" argument. One could argue that no scene depicting rape is ever "necessary" in anything. But not all of them get the same level of outrage. I didn't enjoy the scene. It made me uncomfortable and angry. But whether it was necessary or not is pretty subjective.

 

[rolaholic]

 

I'm half expecting Brienne to take out Ramsay by the end of the season

^^^ Ole girl can throw dem palmbs

Just ask Da Hound, that's right you can't. Brienne Tarthwitzki washed ole boy

Yea she's a beast 

,looking forward to seeing her in the new Star Wars.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I have already conceded that the pointless argument might change with future episodes brah


But your point only really works if it really does make Sansa a different person. But I dunno, she seems pretty different to me already.


And I won't call having you entire family killed as never being harmed. She hadn't been harmed physically, yes. But she was emotionally, a lot

Which is exactly why I said "physically". She was definitely starting to learn some things, but she was still pretty naive. Little Finger was having to break stuff down to her in obvious terms (and perhaps was playing her like a puppet, but none the less was teaching her the game)

This moment was literally her coming of age transition, IMO

To me the scene served a definite purpose 

We'll see. I think the verdict is still out

But I trust the writers

 

[calibeebee]

@Brienne Tarthwinzski

 

[rolaholic]

Brienne's given Jamie that work as well while he still had both hands

 

[geministar93]

Little Finger's maneuver game is off the charts. Only Rickon will be able to stop dude from stealing the Iron Throne right under everyone's noises

Please stop trying to make Rickon a thing, it ain't gonna happen.

 

[rolaholic]

Speaking of Rickon,I miss Osha's ratchet *** 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Little Finger's maneuver game is off the charts. Only Rickon will be able to stop dude from stealing the Iron Throne right under everyone's noises

Please stop trying to make Rickon a thing, it ain't gonna happen.

Brah the Young Gawd is outchea plotting his big move

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[macbk]

I can mess with Brienne being the one to off Ramsay.

 

[IATT]

 

 

dude should have pumped the brakes and chilled out and watched from the sidelines.. and if he's making moves it's with little to no danger, send ravens.. go speak with the tyrells


but that doesn't make for good tv

Thing is he doesn't put himself in position to potentialy become warden of the north by chilling in the vale. He needs to make those moves.

If I'm him.. I let the Stannis Bolton thing go down..


And if the boltons win, then you play the Sansa card.. Stannis wins you go to the tyrells and get them to side with Stannis (which they happily do with what cersei has done)

I feel like that's where he's headed. He tends to strike while the iron is hot to make his moves. He's played things pretty flawlessly so far imo. Like you said,no matter the outcome,he's gonna win in some way  

See I don't agree.. I think he should have chilled and laid low for this part.. Then make those moves once things happen with those groups

Like he could have played the Sansa card with Stannis, since he still wants a stark in winterfell.. Or he could take Sansa to cersei himself

 

[rolaholic]

The way he's playing things,all his enemies will be too busy fighting with each other to realize that he's amassing power and influence right under their noses. By the time they realize what he's been up to, they'll be greatly weakened enough for him to be a force to be reckoned with.