OFFICIAL HOMELAND Thread | FINAL SEASON

[Master Zik]

Pretty clear she's secretly banging that Russian dude or maybe she herself is a secret Russian

Trying to manipulate Saul and Dar is gonna fail epically. Especially now that Carrie has contacted Saul.

 

[dmbrhs]

How on Earth does she think setting up Dar and Saul against each other is going to work lol

 

[Master Zik]

Well Dar is that shady and Saul will want to keep this stuff from Dar until he can fix it or at least come up with a solution.

That's still a reach assuming they just won't meet with each other and lay out all their info to each other.

Her main problem though is she thinks Carrie is dead. Thing is even if she was she doesn't even know Saul's assassin is Quinn and that's just as bad.

 

[youngwolf]

How on Earth does she think setting up Dar and Saul against each other is going to work lol

I mean, this just has to epically backfire on her, right?

It wouldn't surprise if Saul and Dar are already working her.

 

[dmbrhs]

I mean, this just has to epically backfire on her, right?

It wouldn't surprise if Saul and Dar are already working her.

Of course it's going to epically backfire. That's why the plot device is dumb. Now we just wait and see how it blows up in her face.

 

[Cashflow]

I don't think this girl really had a long term plan, she seems to be taking it day by day.

 

[hand2handking]

i think her jealousy of carrie led her to be impulsive

saul is gonna rip her a new one when he finds out what she been up to 

 

[Master Zik]

It's pretty clear she's a traitor. Highly doubt it was motivated by jealousy

When they find out she's either dead or imprisoned.

 

[hand2handking]

well when they introduced her she was pretty jealous of saul's relationship with carrie

and then we found out they are sleeping together

so i dont find it to be that far of a stretch that jealousy could be a major motivator

she is a traitor, but that doesnt have to be her primary motivation

 

[Master Zik]

I doubt Saul was spending all that time saying none of yall are as good as Carrie especially given the first ep and how he treated her when they met.

Plus it's not like Saul ever smashed Carrie.

She's obviously working with the Russians and have been for some time. The thing that she has with the Russian dude who got the hacked files was pretty blatant. Not to mention how she reacted when she thought she saw Carrie's dead body.

I highly doubt she was just jealous of Carrie and decided to turn. It's more like she's been working with them for a min.

If jealousy is a major motivator for her then this plot is more poorly written than it appears.

 

[Sinner]

I agree... I don't see jealousy as a primary motivator as well.  Judging by her reaction to seeing the dead-Carrie photo, to me, it felt like a "regretful, but necessary" action.  She probably did have a slight bit of jealousy towards her, but it was likely superficial.  If it turns out to be the main motivator, I'd be really disappointed. 

She obvs has a personal relationship w/ that Russian guy, but I don't see "passion" as a main motivator for siding with them as well.  Surely there's a lot more to it... I hope, anyway.

 

[Master Zik]

I think she's straight up one of them and sort of infiltrated the CIA. Like she's always had Russian sympathies.

I don't think it's like a Brody thing where at some point she got turned.

I guess there's also the long shot chance that they may have started off blackmailing her and she's just hoping it all works out so she doesn't get caught. That reminds me way more of 24 if it is that though.

 

[hand2handking]

i was under the impression that she had been in the cia for a while and saw how close carrie and saul were

and even despite them not smashing, they were still that close and saul respected her that much

i also saw her sleeping her with saul as her way of trying to close that gap in terms of closeness

she may have always been a russian sympathizer, but i think that the divorce of carrie and saul is what motivated her to act in this manner

i also think her reaction to the picture was one of not ever being faced with the reality of her order

 

[Cashflow]

Also don't forget how when Saul was going to throw her under the bus for the CIA leak her reaction was very telling. "Carrie doesn't work here anymore, show loyalty to those that stayed to follow you" or something to that effect. She's clearly jealous of Carrie.

 

[mr marcus]

Also don't forget how when Saul was going to throw her under the bus for the CIA leak her reaction was very telling. "Carrie doesn't work here anymore, show loyalty to those that stayed to follow you" or something to that effect. She's clearly jealous of Carrie.

Exactly...people saying it isn't true or trying to downplay it are coming off dumb as hell 

....that was literally the first thing they made noticeable this season. Obviously it takes other things to make someone turn heel but her jealousy towards Carrie is what got Carrie put on the hit list. Also Carrie is elite when it comes to that CIA stuff so you wouldn't want her around when **** goes down. Whether she moved on or not

 

[Master Zik]

Yall are mixing two different things.

It's not whether or not she is jealous of Carrie.

It's whether or not her jealousy of Carrie is a major motivator for why she's become a traitor.

Now I've already said I feel like she came in to the CIA dirty and probably been in bed with the Russians. If not that I still don't think it's she been around when Carrie was there and was jealous that Saul favored her and that it was led to her linking up with the Russians and making the decision to betray her country cuz of how Saul treated Carrie and that she doesn't get the same treatment.

That reasoning seems like plain bad writing. We talking about international incidents that can lead to war, economic chaos, etc. and it's gonna be based off one chick being jealous of another chick over a man?

Nah. The show aint fall that far.

Also where are yall getting Carrie ended up on the list cuz Allison was jealous of her? That flies in the face of her reaction to "Carrie's dead body" pic. Her reaction wasn't her being squeamish about the reality of getting ppl killed cuz she didn't flinch or react the same way when she saw the plane blow up and that was her doing (she had the general killed, his innocent kid and wife and like a few other innocent ppl).

For all the spy **** going on it has to be deeper than that.

 

[Cashflow]

So how would you go about explaining Carrie living her life free and in the clear for 2 years and then all of a sudden she's Public Enemy #1? The only two actions that happened Pre-Carrie assassination attempt was the document leak and Saul trying to throw his side piece under the bus. Why didn't the Russians try to take out Carrie in those 2 years she's been overseas?

I think you're trying to give the writers of Homeland too much credit right now. I think they've lost that leeway 2 seasons ago.

 

[Master Zik]

Well I was following what Carrie was doing when she was investigating her past with the CIA and every single person she wronged and had killed. That straight up got stopped so it didn't get anywhere far enough and then she got some real time answers while back on her meds.

There was one attempt on Carrie that was made to look like her boss was the target. Then the Russians co-opted Saul's kill list to put Carrie on it and clean it up by wiping out Quinn by using Allison.

This conspiracy and assassinations are much deeper than one chick is jealous over another one over a man.

I figure it's gonna be revealed that Carrie did something or knows something that has to do with the Russians end goal which is why they wanted her dead and want Saul and Dar to be at odds.

 

[a-friend]

Wow! Now Saul is on the run. Shady characters every where. What's on those damn documents, body dropping like flies concerning what's in them.

 

[cash money 1999]

Quinn :x too easy

 

[Cashflow]

For all of this I hope it's not something stupid in those files

 

[Master Zik]

I hate Quinn's situation. So stupid and too coincidental. Something like that would make sense in a war torn country. Now Germany just has kind doctors who happen to be associated with terror cells on the cusp/wannabe extremists? C'mon now. That whole trope is played out.

Saul is funny Son is all **** you Carrie, you picked the wrong side, you must be off your meds if you think I'm gonna give you the files. Goes to hotel room paranoid as **** I'm being followed Carrie must be right, argues with Dar randomly telling him it's the Russians now he believes Carrie even though Dar tells him he had him followed. Also for some reason that there is a traitor in their midst seems to not be communicated.

Hope they don't string this **** out and make Allison look like some master manipulator. I was hoping that Dar/Saul argument was an act.

The stuff in those files better be devastating. Like Brody is alive in a Russian gulag devastating

 

[mr marcus]

I love this cluster **** show

Good/bad writing that's entertaining

 

[polosanddunks]

There better be something serious in these files

 

[sfc415]

Is everyone here just watching Homeland since we've already invested too much time into the previous seasons? The fall off in quality isn't as bad as Dexter or Sons of Anarchy yet, so I can still watch it, but come on, there's some pure foolishness going on right now