OFFICIAL LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS 2023-2024 SEASON THREAD

[P C H]

Don’t disagree with any of this, but even assuming guys get closer to shooting their normal percentages, I still don’t like that our offense outside is PG getting his own is basically 3 or nothing.

I think this is the product of a domino effect. As more players make 3's, more guys have to be guarded more honestly, which will allow for things to open up a bit as far as downhill driving lanes are concerned.

Coming into last night's game, we were tops in the league in shot quality



Reggie Jackson himself is generating like 8 open / wide open 3's a game. That means that we're doing a solid job of touching the paint, collapsing the d, and spraying out. Traits that made us one of the best offenses in basketball last year. I just think everything improves If we're not so dramatically awful shooting the ball.

 

[P C H]

practically the same, close enough

serge felt like he was out 3/4th of the season, i dont even remember how he looks like in a clippers jersey

marcus been in and out of the line-ups too, not just from i jury but starting line up and moving to the bench

kawhis the main factor but for the most partbut its close to the same roster from the second half of their playoff run

patbev makes a big difference too and been saying i prefer him over bledsoe but he also wasnt fully healthy last year

really feels like this teams playing individually out there when there should still be some continuation with one or two new players in the line-up if your players and coaching are good

we also got to stop doing the “its a coin flip” or “we couldve won that” bs anymore, we keep making up excuses for these dudes and im guilty of it myself but at some point they just got to be held accountable


who cares if they cut the 20pt lead to 5, they still lost, no participation trophy's are awarded

no more “these guys never played together” bs either, is that gon be the banner they wave in the new arena?

theyre just bad, really bad

they always say the next man up but more like the next man up is just gon shoot more 3s

Coin flip games are not an excuse. That's literally what it is, and it happens for every team in the league. You don't want to lose those, but it happens. They played well vs Memphis and Golden State.

And if they really were playing individually they wouldn't be generating such high quality looks. They're shooting 10%-12% worse on open / wide open 3's.

You are not going to be good in the NBA if you miss open and wide open 3's at the clip LAC has missed them at to start the year no matter what you do.

Bled is shooting 17% from 3. Reggie is shooting 29% from 3. Nico at 21% from 3.

You are going to suck if that happens lol

 

[P C H]

Like I said, I'm not dismissing the start of the year. I'm monitoring Zu's play (BAD) Bledsoe (ugh), Marcus's knee is a huge red flag,

but ice cold 5 game stretches happen all the time for every team.

If we're 2-8 after 10 games then I'll be a bit more concerned.

Two years ago the thunder started the season 1-4 and ended up as the 5th seed.

 

[rfx45]

i mean if you just passing the ball around the arch like hot potato and then taking the shots a few steps behind then yeah its gon be “open” shot reggie trying to be logo jackson out there

and tf is pg challenging steph for a logo shot one for one? he’d let him shoot one if he lets him shoot one? just show the mentality these dues have

how about this? you cant make 3s? then stop taking them? hey coaches, how a out you tell them to stop chucking them up? reggie was great when he attacked in the playoffs, same with mann and its how they beat utah but they stopped doing that and i think bledsoe would be better at that too

and coin flip loses are being used an excuse to make you feel better about the team when theyve been down double digits in each games i believe (blowout win against the blazers was the only one they didnt have to battle back) and had to “rally” back until they cant and ty throws in the towel early anyways

and i wouldnt be surprised if they are 2-9 or 3-8 soon

their next 6 is okc, b2b minny, char, port and then heat

i expect them to win against okc but im not even that confident with that

minny could be a split but patbevs gon be extra determined and both are away and theyre playing well, wouldnt surprised if they lose both

char and heat are legit good teams that i also expect a loss against both

portland can be revenge game for the clips but it could also turn up the same way as last night again

i guess we’ll see when we get there but i really, really hope im wrong

5 ice cold game happens and it can also last longer and become the teams identity

 

[lawdog1]

^^^ Looking at the schedule, 2-8 after 10 is very much possible.

 

[Nipsey3000]

I wish more coaches/organizations would tell their players to shoot the 3, but if you miss your first 3 or 4, you need to be aggressive and get to the line. Paul George and kennard are the only players shooting decent this year from the 3 point line.

Batum 21% on 5 attempts a game. He only attempts 7 shots a game in total.

Bledsoe is shooting 18% on 3 attempts (he should be limited to 2 per game imo. For every one he makes, he gets another)

Mook is shooting 27% from 3 on 5.5 attempts... Only hitting 1.5. (he's also attempting more 3s than 2s.

Mann is only hitting 1 of 3 attempts a game from 3, but he's shooting more 2s than 3s. He's shooting 29% on the season.

Paul George is shooting almost 10 3s a game hitting for 37.5%, he's taking more 2s than 3s. He still needs to be more aggressive and get more ft attempts.

Reggie Jackson is taking 16 shots a game and 10 of those 16 are from 3.

The clippers are shooting way too many 3s and they aren't being aggressive.

Reggie Jackson gets to the line a whopping 1x a game. Pg has 3 attempts from ft a game. Bledsoe and zubac are just above 3 attempts a game.

If you aren't going to shoot the ball well, and you're not gonna be aggressive, you're done. Kawhi, no kawhi... Doesn't matter.

 

[rfx45]

 

[P C H]

im in

 

[P C H]

some other goodies.

But in any event, we will probably win tonight. Winning is good. But there was mention from Ty about some rotational adjustments, that’s something to watch.

Hopefully we win by making shots at a high clip, that’s encouraging so that we can take some mojo with us through this week.

 

[P C H]

I wish more coaches/organizations would tell their players to shoot the 3, but if you miss your first 3 or 4, you need to be aggressive and get to the line. Paul George and kennard are the only players shooting decent this year from the 3 point line.

Batum 21% on 5 attempts a game. He only attempts 7 shots a game in total.

Bledsoe is shooting 18% on 3 attempts (he should be limited to 2 per game imo. For every one he makes, he gets another)

Mook is shooting 27% from 3 on 5.5 attempts... Only hitting 1.5. (he's also attempting more 3s than 2s.

Mann is only hitting 1 of 3 attempts a game from 3, but he's shooting more 2s than 3s. He's shooting 29% on the season.

Paul George is shooting almost 10 3s a game hitting for 37.5%, he's taking more 2s than 3s. He still needs to be more aggressive and get more ft attempts.

Reggie Jackson is taking 16 shots a game and 10 of those 16 are from 3.

The clippers are shooting way too many 3s and they aren't being aggressive.

Reggie Jackson gets to the line a whopping 1x a game. Pg has 3 attempts from ft a game. Bledsoe and zubac are just above 3 attempts a game.

If you aren't going to shoot the ball well, and you're not gonna be aggressive, you're done. Kawhi, no kawhi... Doesn't matter.

But that's why they were such an elite offense last year. They have tons of great shooting. If you can't make open 3's, you don't win, simple.

You're saying for them to go to the basket, but that's precisely how the 3's are being created.

As a team they're shooting 31% on open 3's. The solution to that is not to turn those 3's down. By turning those 3's down You're killing offense and spacing. You're also allowing teams to pack the paint on you by turning down open 3's. Reggie has taken some dumb 3's for sure, but by and large, the shot quality on those 3's are fine. It's exactly what made us elite last year.

No matter the strategy, you won't win many games making 31% of your open 3's. IMO there are other things that we need to clean up for sure, (the scoring droughts w/o PG are particularly problematic) but a big help would be making more than 31% of our open 3's. That number was 41% last year.

 

[HIM]

OKC should win tonight but these are the types of games we have to steal. Very winnable.

Are we wearing the new jerseys tonight? I might go, if so.

 

[rfx45]

eh, in the portland game, there were two particular fastbreaks that stood out to me, one was a 3 on 2 and i think it was mann or reggie and instead of going for the lay-up and get fouled or pull the defender then pass for an open shot or lay-up, they dribbled out then passed to the other dude standing by the arch but by then a defender has caught up then shot the 3 and bricked

the other is pretty much the same except they didnt dribble out (this was probably mann) instead he stopped in the paint and then contemplated and then passed out and then another hockey pass to kennard iirc but while open,they were about a foot or two back when they took the shot and again it results in a klank

not saying give up open 3s but a lot of their shots are by the logo or contested, especially reggies (kennard chucks one up fromt hat far once or twice a game too)

there were a lot of occasion where its dribble, dribble shoot the 3 (ive noticed this is mostly bledsoe and reggie)

and giving up an easier two or to get to the line just so you can chuck up a semi-open 3 isnt a good strategy, take the easy baskets especially when you're down double digits and you're athletic (mann) or got the wingspan of a center (reggie)

the team cant just hope they just magically go back to be the best 3pt% team in the league again, for all we know that could be a fluke, hell i think last year it wasnt until the second half til reggie really found his footing and making shots, i think a few weeks after he started wearing his glasses but this team cant afford to wait for him to take that long with kawhi, morris and ibaka out and his shooting TEN 3s a game

all im saying is theres got to be option B and option C, not a shoot a 3 until you make it and we aint gon do nothing else til we make it

i could be completely wrong on this, i know that, this is all from an eye test but i do trust what i see and how many times my eyes rolls over to the back of my head when they take another 3

 

[rfx45]

 

[rfx45]

OKC should win tonight but these are the types of games we have to steal. Very winnable.

Are we wearing the new jerseys tonight? I might go, if so.

 

[lawdog1]

^^^ Yeah, letting the 3s fly is one thing, but actually routinely passing up lay-ups in favor of 3s seems excessive. Needs to be more of a balance, IMO.

 

[P C H]

But that's why they were such an elite offense last year. They have tons of great shooting. If you can't make open 3's, you don't win, simple.

You're saying for them to go to the basket, but that's precisely how the 3's are being created.

As a team they're shooting 31% on open 3's. The solution to that is not to turn those 3's down. By turning those 3's down You're killing offense and spacing. You're also allowing teams to pack the paint on you by turning down open 3's. Reggie has taken some dumb 3's for sure, but by and large, the shot quality on those 3's are fine. It's exactly what made us elite last year.

No matter the strategy, you won't win many games making 31% of your open 3's. IMO there are other things that we need to clean up for sure, (the scoring droughts w/o PG are particularly problematic) but a big help would be making more than 31% of our open 3's. That number was 41% last year.

Thank you Ty. Everything points to what Ty is getting at here.

On Avg, all but like 5 or 6 of our 3's are open / wide open.

If you are shooting that poorly on open 3's you won't win games period.

 

[P C H]

eh, in the portland game, there were two particular fastbreaks that stood out to me, one was a 3 on 2 and i think it was mann or reggie and instead of going for the lay-up and get fouled or pull the defender then pass for an open shot or lay-up, they dribbled out then passed to the other dude standing by the arch but by then a defender has caught up then shot the 3 and bricked

the other is pretty much the same except they didnt dribble out (this was probably mann) instead he stopped in the paint and then contemplated and then passed out and then another hockey pass to kennard iirc but while open,they were about a foot or two back when they took the shot and again it results in a klank

not saying give up open 3s but a lot of their shots are by the logo or contested, especially reggies (kennard chucks one up fromt hat far once or twice a game too)

there were a lot of occasion where its dribble, dribble shoot the 3 (ive noticed this is mostly bledsoe and reggie)

and giving up an easier two or to get to the line just so you can chuck up a semi-open 3 isnt a good strategy, take the easy baskets especially when you're down double digits and you're athletic (mann) or got the wingspan of a center (reggie)

the team cant just hope they just magically go back to be the best 3pt% team in the league again, for all we know that could be a fluke, hell i think last year it wasnt until the second half til reggie really found his footing and making shots, i think a few weeks after he started wearing his glasses but this team cant afford to wait for him to take that long with kawhi, morris and ibaka out and his shooting TEN 3s a game

all im saying is theres got to be option B and option C, not a shoot a 3 until you make it and we aint gon do nothing else til we make it

i could be completely wrong on this, i know that, this is all from an eye test but i do trust what i see and how many times my eyes rolls over to the back of my head when they take another 3

I agree that they can't expect to be the best shooting team ever, true.

But they are 23rd at 31%.

There's a ton of grey area between best shooting team ever and what they've done through the first 5 games.

Them taking a ton of open and wide open 3's is good, not bad. That means that good things are happening. The solution is to make more of them. IMO they are getting 3's because they're driving the ball, collapsing the d, just gotta cash out.

 

[rfx45]

aiite, lets just enjoy the game tonight, imma leave this here and then imma chill with some edibles and enjoy the upcomign 3pt shooting contest

my guess is giddeys gon' have his 3pt career high tonight...

No matter the strategy, you won't win many games making 31% of your open 3's.

jazz actually shooting about the same percentage behind the arc but shooting a lot worse with open shots

 

[lawdog1]

Bledsoe can’t pass.

 

[lawdog1]

“It’s only a matter of time until the shots start falling.” Cool, but if we’re like 2-12 when that finally starts happening, that’s a pretty big hole.

 

[bapar11]

will get it together boys.
take it easy.

 

[lawdog1]

will get it together boys.
take it easy.

Defense has been nicely active in the second quarter. Winslow had a nice run. Mann doing Mann things. Those are the pluses so far.

 

[Nipsey3000]

But that's why they were such an elite offense last year. They have tons of great shooting. If you can't make open 3's, you don't win, simple.

You're saying for them to go to the basket, but that's precisely how the 3's are being created.

As a team they're shooting 31% on open 3's. The solution to that is not to turn those 3's down. By turning those 3's down You're killing offense and spacing. You're also allowing teams to pack the paint on you by turning down open 3's. Reggie has taken some dumb 3's for sure, but by and large, the shot quality on those 3's are fine. It's exactly what made us elite last year.

No matter the strategy, you won't win many games making 31% of your open 3's. IMO there are other things that we need to clean up for sure, (the scoring droughts w/o PG are particularly problematic) but a big help would be making more than 31% of our open 3's. That number was 41% last year.

I'm speaking of on an individual player basis. I'm also speaking regarding my personal philosophy when it comes to basketball. I don't believe any player should shoot more 3s than 2s (other than the 3pt specialists). I also don't believe any player should still be shooting 3s if they are 0 for 8 (as an example)

An output of basketball offensive aggression is trips to the free throw line. The clippers aren't getting to the line. They aren't getting to the line because they're not being aggressive.

And when I speak of aggression, I'm talking about driving the ball with purpose, creating real contact with intentions of finishing. I'm not speaking of driving with the intent to kick out and create an open look from 3.

You hear the greats of the game talk about it all the time. Shots not falling? take the ball to the basket and get yourself going at the free throw line.

The solution to shooting and missing 3s isn't shooting and missing more 3s

You say getting to the rim is what generating these 3 point looks. It's just not correlating with trips to the line.

I also believe that the scoring drought when pg is out can be fixed by being more aggressive.



But again, I don't speak as if I'm coming with facts. It's just my opinion.

 

[rfx45]

geez

if pg didnt drop to the floor, they might not even call that foul

and ive seen a lot less be called a flagrant

 

[rfx45]

did the okc gm forgot to call their coach and remind em they were suppose to tank?

when are they gon bench sga?

its getting late, if okc arent careful, clips might not catch up