Official Miami Heat (4) vs OKC Thunder (1) NBA Finals Thread - Miami Heat NBA Champions

[university of nike]

 

[Humbled]

Some of yall dudes act like you're going to go into cardiac arrest if you give Bron props.

this thread is ridiculous

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by SHUGES

This definitely ain't the ska I know/remember. Instead, it's like a freak combo of CP/ska/zodogg.

WHOA........what just happened here? 

I came in here and gave Bron props man.  I don't give a damn about cramps or any of that business.  I care about what I needed to see, and I been seein it.  Said it back in game 6 v Boston too. 

Ska cool, but do not ever, ever, ever put my name next to that other %$%##@#!@#%# again please. 
  

 

[JD617]

Originally Posted by goldenchild9

The Finals have been so entertaining and compelling....dudes have to talk about CRAMPS and conspiracy theories to avoid appreciating it.
Welcome to the internet age.

It's the worst. Pages on pages of "THE NBA IS RIGGED!!!!!1" followed by pages of this cramp nonsense. Meanwhile we've had incredible performances by LeBron, Durant, and Westbrook and a really high level of play in these 4 games. Yet people on here don't really seem interested in actually talking about basketball.
I guess it's too much to ask to enjoy a great series full of great players.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Originally Posted by Elpablo21

Originally Posted by toine2983

Jesus.

 

This %@%@ is comedy

  

Dudes in here talkin bout cramps................not a game, not the game. CRAMPS.

  

 

[leclutchjames]

I run track, and trust me Ive had cramps before to the point where I couldnt walk right away or get up.

its really not as serious as you guys or making it, dude needed help. Everyone knows howard is caretaker of that team

 

[darthska]

University of Nike:

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I just can't believe people see that... and this...

... and still find it difficult to simply admit that there are serious shenanigans going on. It's like they're afraid they'll lose their firstborn if they even think anything close to "Yeah, there's definitely some theatrics on Wade & Bron's part."

Choosing instead to justify being carried off the court for cramps instead of conceding that there is NO REASON to be carried off the court... for some simple @+$ CRAMPS. Like, that's love right there. That's that "Don't talk about my moms" type loyalty.

Y'all acting like the question is whether or not he had cramps when the theatrics and overdramatization and convenience of his symptoms coming and going are PLAINLY VIEWABLE to anyone who recorded the game. You are LITERALLY arguing something that is unarguable.

You do NOT need to be carried off the damn court for a simple cramp. C'mon, SHUGES, work w/ me here. Let's be real. LOTS of us play sports. Lots of us have had cramps. And we all raised our hands and said "Nah, I'm out" then walked over to the side of the field. Carried off? For cramps?! You're denying the theatrics there? Defending the validity that maybe his cramps were that bad? Which would make sense... if he weren't walking perfectly fine 5 minutes later.

Like most arguments, this is about more than the actual topic. It's about how far one side is willing to go to maintain their position. It's like republicans & democrats sticking w/ their party's popular position on a matter JUST because that's their party's position. And right now, the fans are in absolute refusal to admit the possibility of something that is so evident: those cramps were made out to be something far more serious than what we all know cramps to be.

"Well, maybe they were as bad as be was leading on. You just never know."

Unbelievable. And this ain't the ska you know? Then you haven't been paying attention, or you don't like it now that I'm talking about Bron, because I've been questioning/discussing theatrics in the NBA since LOONG before Paul Pierce's wheelchair. I HATE whining and carrying on over simple crap.

 

[hankmoody]

Originally Posted by WitnessMyCalm21

Originally Posted by HankMoody

From an NHL player's twitter, Paul Bissonette (sp):

Even @malkin71_ gets them. pic.twitter.com/KpNe0D0U

I don't think that's a goalie. This loser is laying on the ice like a complete tool. What a disgrace to hockey. Leg cramps got to him. Leg cramps.

Loser? 

 That just shows how much you now about hockey. nothing.. Googling like crazy trying to help ur cause...
and is that even  pic after a leg cramp? or @@#!*% WARMUPS!?  

LOOK AT YOU RIGHT NOW! LOOK trying so hard...

and we're not talking about leg cramps not being possible. Bron very well couldve had one and so couldve Malki whenever he has... but i dont see Malkin getting carried off by his teammates to the bench that is like 20 ft away... Over dramatizing %+#!... 

1. The loser comment was sarcasm. Not surprised it went over your head.
2. I don't know if it's a game or warm-ups. So what you're saying is a hockey player (I got that pic and comment off a Phoenix Coyote's twitter) could be incorrectly assessing an injury situation? Really? Who could've thought? Here I was thinking hockey players word on injuries and toughness was bond. If a hockey player makes a comment on injuries, he must be right. Or so I thought. 

3. LeBron didn't play in the final minute. How is this overdramatizing an injury? He didn't play. That's an injury. Unless you think he quit and purposefully faked and exaggerated an injury just so he could avoid playing in the final minute of a close and pivotal NBA Finals game because he secretly enjoys all of the criticism and actually doesn't want a ring after all. That could be it. 

4. Of course I had to Google. I don't follow hockey. I could have assumed the hypocrisy of the NHL players on twitter, like they assumed LeBron was faking/exaggerating, or I could provide the evidence that leg cramps have sidelined NHL hockey players in playoff games. 

5. I brought up NFL and college players cramping up and laying on the field for extended minutes and not moving, while being treated by a plethora of people for a reason. Do you think those guys could make it to the sideline of an NFL game without a teammate's help? I don't think so. But they get to just lay there. I bring up Dez Bryant jogging to the locker room to get treatment for leg cramps because these things come and go. He was jogging!

dmxfury, you're right. I should have never responded to these idiotic trains of thought.

edit: 

 I'm not responding to that garbage. 

 

[smedroc]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

Dudes is ignoring my 2 questions like the plague.

#1- Most of play sports. Most of us have had cramps, BAD cramps. Why was he acting like he broke his leg? I've had cramps; I've had tomes where you could see MULTIPLE bumps in my leg. I wasn't anywhere CLOSE to that dramatic about it. Dudes acting like his behavior was normal cramp behavior. FOH

Or coming w/ "Well maybe it was that painful for him. I'm not him, so I don't know." Just call it overdramatizing a very common, 'not that big a deal' injury and move on.

#2- Yep, cramps come and go; got it. And the effects of his cramping came when the cameras were up, then went when it was time to play or the game was over. What a convenient, polite episode of cramping he caught. So considerate.

Point 1: You must be more man than the rest of us cause i know my reaction to hard cramps was similar to Brons.

Point 2: This is possibly the most ******ed %!@@ i've heard from you

......The cameras were on the game the majority of the time, it being the end of the game and all. So how do you know how he was acting during that period?.......That's right you don't.

The getting carried off bit i agree was o.d.... Howard was mad keen to assist, looking to get a medal for valor or some *#@%

 

[al3xis]

I could see this if it was like Vince Carter or someone. But we've been watching LeBron play this post-season (or all season), right? He is playing his **+ off and leaving it all out on the court. I don't think if you despise the man you can even being to try to deny that that's been the case. So, he's going to voluntarily check him self out of the biggest game of his career 2 times down the stretch when it really wasn't that bad and in reality he was embellishing it? Man, please. If he actually was on the court the entire time maybe even then you could say he was acting it up a little bit at the right times - but he had to sit. Something clearly was not right and considering he took two three's during that last stretch, he sure as hell wasn't checking out because he was 'scared'. 

 

[scientific method]

This dude Greg Doyel is such a farce. He wrote an article like a week ago claiming an inside source from OKC's locker room (and ask yourself first how a Miami writer who nobody likes or respects in his own town has a "source" inside OKC;s locker room willing to divulge such inflammatory information) claiming that Harden was complaining and throwing a tantrum after game 1 over lack of shots and had to be calmed down by Perkins and Fisher.

He is probably more known as the guy who asked LeBron the question last finals about not scoring in the 4th after a win and LeBron told him come back tomorrow and ask a better question and he tweeted, "Yea, Bron roasted me. Wait til you see what I'm writing about him right now though."

Westbrook's response to his question starts at 1:11




But he wrote this last night

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Westbrook answers critics, but teammates offer little assistance

MIAMI -- "Get this straight," Russell Westbrook sneered at me, and already I liked where he was going. Whatever came out of his mouth next, I was going to deserve it ( http://www.cbssports.com/...e-just-doesnt-realize-it ). You were going to deserve it. Most of us were going to deserve it, because most of us have been critical of Westbrook even as he has played more than 40 minutes a game at point guard on a team that has reached the NBA Finals and even briefly led the series after one game.

Those days are gone, just like the trophy is almost gone. The Heat now are in command after winning 104-98 on Tuesday night to take a 3-1 series edge. This could be all over Thursday night -- but not for Russell Westbrook. For him, it will continue. It will continue because people like me, and people like lots of you, will continue to critique him for all those nights when his game was so damned confounding.

"Get this straight," Westbrook told me, and I started to smile because here it comes. Here comes an eruption from Westbrook to match his Vesuvius of a Game 4, when he erupted for 43 points, seven rebounds and five assists.

Since 1985, only two players have put together games with that many points, rebounds and assists in the NBA Finals -- and their names are Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal. And they needed overtime to get there.

Westbrook didn't need overtime, though he did erupt in vain -- as did Jordan in 1993 against the Suns, and O'Neal in 2001 against the 76ers. All three of them lost the game in which they produced so historically, though Jordan and O'Neal went on to win the title that year anyway. It doesn't appear Westbrook will do the same, though you never know. The Thunder have been close twice in Miami, so if they can cross that threshold in Game 5 and return the NBA Finals to Oklahoma City, who knows? It's not likely, no. But it's not impossible.
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Whatever it is, that's a story for another day. For now, the story is Westbrook, his game, and even the criticism that came his way -- because in typical Westbrook fashion, he drew criticism. He always draws criticism, even when he's putting up 43, seven and five. Off the court, Westbrook seems like a really bright guy, but there are times his basketball IQ doesn't seem to reach the level required of a point guard on a championship team.

One such occasion, unfortunately, came with 13.8 seconds left when the Heat won a jump ball, leading by three, and Westbrook fouled Mario Chalmers. There were only five seconds on the shot clock, so the smarter play -- the percentage play, especially against a 79 percent foul shooter who was having his best scoring game in a month -- would have been to let Chalmers shoot, drive, something. Anything. Hope Chalmers misses, or he passes to a teammate and the teammate misses, or better yet try to force him into a turnover.

Westbrook fouled him, Chalmers hit both free throws to make it 103-98, and for the third consecutive game, the Thunder faced a two-possession deficit without enough time to make it up. The first two times it happened, the key figure was a referee. This time, the key figure was Westbrook.

Said Thunder coach Scott Brooks: "It was a tough play ... Could have been a communication thing."

Said Westbrook: "It was a miscommunication on my part. Nothing I can do about it now."

Nope, all that's left now is the aftermath, the stories, the criticism. You think Westbrook cares about any of that?

"Get this straight," Westbrook said, and here it comes. But before it comes, understand what I asked Westbrook. Understand, I was trying to be nice. Hell, I was being nice. I acknowledged the criticism he has been receiving, then acknowledged the incredible game he had just played, and I asked him if there was any vindication, personally, despite the loss.

"Get this straight," Westbrook said. "What you guys say doesn't make me happy, make me sad, doesn't do anything. It's all about my team and us winning a game. I don't have a personal challenge against you [media] guys, and it's not me against the world. It's not the world against me. It's me and my teammates trying to win."

Boom. Roasted. Pity that he and his teammates couldn't win, that his teammates couldn't pick up their share of the slack after Westbrook did so much heavy lifting. Westbrook had 10 points and two assists in the first quarter, getting off to a blazing start and igniting the Thunder's 33-19 lead after one quarter. He added eight points in the second quarter, and eight more in the third. He was having a terrific game entering the fourth quarter -- 26 points -- but he was about to go off.

In the fourth quarter, Westbrook scored 17 points, hitting seven of nine shots from the floor and all three free throws. He was enormous, while everyone else on his team was tiny, especially James Harden -- zero points on 0-of-4 shooting in the quarter, capping an eight-point, 2-of-10 night -- and even NBA scoring leader Kevin Durant, who had six points and two turnovers in the final period.

Westbrook was left to go it alone, and he gave it a good run. He attacked the rim and scored with his left hand, with his right hand, with Dwyane Wade hanging on both hands for a three-point play. He hit jumpers, free throws, you name it. But while the Heat were getting help from Chalmers (12 of his 25 points in the fourth quarter) and terrific games from LeBron James (26 points, 12 assists, nine rebounds) and Wade (25 points), the Thunder had a whole lot of Westbrook, a normal amount of Durant (28 points) and then bupkis. Nobody else scored more than eight points, and that was Harden, and he was awful.

"He carried the team," Thunder center Kendrick Perkins said of Westbrook. "He was trying to win it by himself."

Yeah, he was. But it didn't work. His team didn't win -- and he made that mental mistake with 13.8 seconds left.

But if you think that should take away from one of the greatest individual performances in NBA Finals history, get this straight ...

 

[darthska]

Originally Posted by dmxfury

People are extreme with the hate but the on the other end some of the ridiculous arguments to defend against anyone who utters a potential criticism is just as bad. Insanity on both ends and pretty much 85% of the people in here look foolish

Nope. Only ridiculousness is on the side of the critics. Those in support of BronBron are completely grounded, unbiased, and objective, no question.

 

[do be doo]

Originally Posted by Do Be Doo

 

Originally Posted by nflowshoe


If the Mavs,Lakers, and Spurs couldn't win in OKC what factor makes y'all think Miami is going to steal one? The Heat role players have been a non factor and Durant and lebron numbers are going to cancel each other out. Wade is going thru a Slump and Bosh isnt 100%.
What are the heat advantages? 

Im not making any predictions, all I have to say is OKC is by far the best team the Heat have faced all playoffs and the Heat may be the worst team the Thunder have faced this year in the playoffs.Can't wait!

mavs - not the same team from last year. Choke city. What else is new?

lakers- Took a weak denver team to seven games. Lakers should have never made the playoffs too. kobe playing like a poor mans Jordan wizard.

SPURS- Refs.

Cant wait to see them clowns in okc cry when they dont get the calls they got in the WCF.
Bron gonna show durant who the best player in the world is.
Wade gonna punk 0.
Bosh gonna elbow crooked teeth.

Heat in 5.

http://niketalk.com/reply/12977077#reply-12977077

Like clockwork.

 

[scientific method]

 

[duba169]

Originally Posted by University of Nike

He's a warrior

 

[sthebest]

I cant believe that come tomorrow..Lebron will be a world champion. 

I dont care if he wins 12 titles, I will never give this clown his "props". I hate cocky athletes and really want him to fail. In fact, I wish his career would end early due to a knee injury, thats how much I hate him. 

 

[do be doo]

 

[sthebest]

Originally Posted by Do Be Doo

hell no Im not going to let it go. Everyone is pushing hard for him to be Jordan and its just not going to happen. He will never be the GOAT and the only reason he's going to win the title this year is because of crooked play calling by NBA refs and the fact that he doesn't have to be a leader of a team anymore.
this dude is mad arrogant and think that the world owes him something.

 

[darthska]

sthebest:

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I cant believe that come tomorrow..Lebron will be a world champion. 

I dont care if he wins 12 titles, I will never give this clown his "props". I hate cocky athletes and really want him to fail. In fact, I wish his career would end early due to a knee injury, thats how much I hate him. 

sthebest:

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Everyone is pushing hard for him to be Jordan and its just not going to happen. He will never be the GOAT and the only reason he's going to win the title this year is because of crooked play calling by NBA refs and the fact that he doesn't have to be a leader of a team anymore.
this dude is mad arrogant and think that the world owes him something.

Yikes.

I think these are the kinds of replies that run through the heads of Lebron fans whenever anyone says anything critical/remotely negative about him. Look, not everyone who says there seems to have been some acting going on last night is coming from a place of unfiltered hatred like sthebest.

Some people just think there was some theatrics going on, and that's it. And SOME people (present company included) actually think Bron is a beast overall, but offer criticisms from time to time when they see something worth criticizing.

 

[elpablo21]

Originally Posted by sthebest

I cant believe that come tomorrow..Lebron will be a world champion. 

I dont care if he wins 12 titles, I will never give this clown his "props". I hate cocky athletes and really want him to fail. In fact, I wish his career would end early due to a knee injury, thats how much I hate him. 

 

[witnessmycalm21]

Originally Posted by HankMoody

1. The loser comment was sarcasm. Not surprised it went over your head.

2. I don't know if it's a game or warm-ups. So what you're saying is a hockey player (I got that pic and comment off a Phoenix Coyote's twitter) could be incorrectly assessing an injury situation? Really? Who could've thought? Here I was thinking hockey players word on injuries and toughness was bond. If a hockey player makes a comment on injuries, he must be right. Or so I thought. 

3. LeBron didn't play in the final minute. How is this overdramatizing an injury? He didn't play. That's an injury. Unless you think he quit and purposefully faked and exaggerated an injury just so he could avoid playing in the final minute of a close and pivotal NBA Finals game because he secretly enjoys all of the criticism and actually doesn't want a ring after all. That could be it. 

4. Of course I had to Google. I don't follow hockey. I could have assumed the hypocrisy of the NHL players on twitter, like they assumed LeBron was faking/exaggerating, or I could provide the evidence that leg cramps have sidelined NHL hockey players in playoff games. 

5. I brought up NFL and college players cramping up and laying on the field for extended minutes and not moving, while being treated by a plethora of people for a reason. Do you think those guys could make it to the sideline of an NFL game without a teammate's help? I don't think so. But they get to just lay there. I bring up Dez Bryant jogging to the locker room to get treatment for leg cramps because these things come and go. He was jogging!

dmxfury, you're right. I should have never responded to these idiotic trains of thought.

edit: 

 I'm not responding to that garbage. 

All i know is that ur a stan and you sit down when you pee..

Go ahead and get ur last word in ONE more time.. Hopefully that makes u sleep better at night.

 

[duba169]

You can cut the tension with a knife in here

 

[blackxme]

Originally Posted by Elpablo21

Originally Posted by sthebest

I cant believe that come tomorrow..Lebron will be a world champion. 

I dont care if he wins 12 titles, I will never give this clown his "props". I hate cocky athletes and really want him to fail. In fact, I wish his career would end early due to a knee injury, thats how much I hate him. 

That dude can't be serious. Some of you need help.

I can't wait to see Bron hoist that trophy up

 

[dmxfury]

Quickly the best...but worst thread on NT. I can't refresh quick enough while making this cheesecake

 

[carver]

Originally Posted by Elpablo21

Originally Posted by sthebest

I cant believe that come tomorrow..Lebron will be a world champion. 

I dont care if he wins 12 titles, I will never give this clown his "props". I hate cocky athletes and really want him to fail. In fact, I wish his career would end early due to a knee injury, thats how much I hate him. 

Well damn