Originally Posted by
23ska909red02
Like most arguments, this is about more than the actual topic. It's about how far one side is willing to go to maintain their position. It's like republicans & democrats sticking w/ their party's popular position on a matter JUST because that's their party's position. And right now, the fans are in absolute refusal to admit the possibility of something that is so evident: those cramps were made out to be something far more serious than what we all know cramps to be.
And that's something you're just as guilty of as all those defending it. How about when some diehard Lebron fans admit to the possibility he was exaggerating, you can admit to the possibility that he wasn't. Because both have the same chance of being correct. You're speaking in absolute certainty that it seems impossible to have an actual debate about it. You are right and those defending Lebron can't see past their love. End of discussion. It's actually for the best, because a multi-page argument over cramps is one of the dumbest things I've seen in S&T.
PLAINLY VIEWABLE to anyone who recorded the game. You are LITERALLY arguing something that is unarguable.
That's just wrong and impossible to prove for the simple fact that we don't know the extent of the pain. Yeah, we've all had cramps.. maybe you've had the worst cramps in the history of modern athletics.. but it's still impossible to argue that the pain wasn't enough to warrant that kind of reaction.
Defending the validity that maybe his cramps were that bad? Which would make sense... if he weren't walking perfectly fine 5 minutes later.
Maybe the pain returned? Is that impossible? You said before that he only acted up when he knew the cameras were on him.. the problems with that claim is the cameras are always on Lebron so acting up during commercial breaks or when it was beneficial doesn't make sense. What would be beneficial is if Lebron stayed in the game and was 100%.
Originally Posted by
23ska909red02
I think these are the kinds of replies that run through the heads of Lebron fans whenever anyone says anything critical/remotely negative about him. Look, not everyone who says there seems to have been some acting going on last night is coming from a place of unfiltered hatred like sthebest.
Some people just think there was some theatrics going on, and that's it. And SOME people (present company included) actually think Bron is a beast overall, but offer criticisms from time to time when they see something worth criticizing.
No, it's also these kind of replies..
23ska909red02 wrote:
... and still find it difficult to simply admit that there are serious shenanigans going on. It's like they're afraid they'll lose their firstborn if they even think anything close to "Yeah, there's definitely some theatrics on Wade & Bron's part."
It's the accusations that those defending or arguing against you are irrational and blinded by their love of Lebron. That only you or those agreeing with you are the sane and rational ones.. the rest of us are saving up to get our Lebron tattoos. Stuff like that is unnecessary because it distracts from the actual discussion.. just the same as assuming everyone who legitimately criticizes Lebron is a petty hater wishing death upon him. Both are assumptions and both aren't always true.
Some people just think there was some theatrics going on, and that's it.
If that was the case, this would have been wrapped up pages ago. At this point, it's not about cramps.. it's about you being right. That's the impression I get from reading through all of this and it's not an attack or insult, just something that's pretty obvious to me.
