Official Miami Heat (4) vs OKC Thunder (1) NBA Finals Thread - Miami Heat NBA Champions

[shuges]

You dudes are so obvious with your hate... oh sorry, I meant to say criticism, it's starting to become annoying now. Every time Miami wins, it has to do with the refs. EVERY TIME. Not a peep was said about the officials after game 1. Oh right, that's because the Heat lost.

 

[darthska]

A lot of people still hate the Heat for 2006.

And superstar calls happen; that's not even debatable. What is debatable is whether or not the Heat have 2 of the leagues top recipients of favorable calls.

And the criticism/hate clarification has to do w/ the topic of Lebron, not the Heat.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

The Heat win and the haters cry about the refs. Wow! I for one am SHOCKED! Wah! Wah! Cry me a river. And yes, that was an obvious charge Battier drew on Durant. Even if it's true that he moved, Durant kneed him in the stomach so it was a charge either way:

One aspect of LeBron's "foul" on Durant that seems to get overlooked is if this was a foul:

Then first and foremost, before that, this was a foul:

And I remind you that the Heat still had a foul to give so he shouldn't have been on the free throw line either way. So even IF you completely go by the book and call that play at the end of the fourth quarter like you would call it in the middle of the first quarter of a preseason game, he shouldn't have ended up on the free throw line. The bottom line, that "foul" did not prevent Durant from getting a good look/shot, which he ultimately didn't make. He made some big shots but he obviously had to have made that one as well for the Thunder to win. He didn't. Maybe he should've grabbed more than 3 rebounds throughout the game and the Heat wouldn't have built that big of a lead for it to be necessary for him to hit so many big shots down the stretch.

As for the game, Wade and Bosh decided to show up and the Heat won. They cannot afford to take a single night off anymore like they did in game 1. Battier played amazing. He scored as many points in these first two games that I thought he would have in the entire series. He definitely has that veteran hunger where he plays beyond his ability because he knows that this might be his best chance to get a ring, like you see with a veteran almost every finals and pretty much the entire Mavericks roster last finals. Great win. Onto game 3.

 

[tr1ll]

The officiating wasn't even that bad this game. The refs are human, you know.

All BS aside, the Heat just got lucky.

And I'm a Heat fan.

 

[scientific method]

You know what, from that still photo I realized you are right. Battier isn't moving at all!

 

[big j 33]

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

 

great photo

Few players have the combination of length, athleticism, and strength to meet Lebron when he's coming down with that much force. A great block is one of my favorite things in a basketball game. 

 

[antidope]

Originally Posted by Elpablo21




LOL.

This huge argument is pretty fun to read too.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

You know what, from that still photo I realized you are right. Battier isn't moving at all!

Battier wasn't in position til KD had already left his feet, I'm so sick of this "IT WAS CHARGE!" non-sense.

And real talk superstar on superstar in the final seconds nobody is getting that call, not KD nor Lebron





















Wade would though

 

[aztec06jr]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

lilpennymagicfan1:

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23ska909red02:

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So what's Dwade's record in Danny Crawford reffed games now compared to non-Danny games?

17-4 vs. 48-40?

That right?

are you saying D wade got any favorable calls yesterday?
Games was called horribly on both ends.

First off, if Wade played and there were NBA refs involved, he got favorable calls. Period. I mean, that's just a given at this point. (I'm a Lakers fan, so you might be tempted to throw Kobe out there in a discussion about 'superstar calls'. Feel free; Kobe does get superstar calls.)

Second, numbers don't lie; people do. What's Wade's NBA playoff record w/ Crawford vs. games w/o Crawford?
Crawford wasn't in the building though.

 

[scientific method]

Originally Posted by aztec06jr

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

lilpennymagicfan1:

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23ska909red02:

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So what's Dwade's record in Danny Crawford reffed games now compared to non-Danny games?



17-4 vs. 48-40?



That right?

are you saying D wade got any favorable calls yesterday?
Games was called horribly on both ends.

First off, if Wade played and there were NBA refs involved, he got favorable calls. Period. I mean, that's just a given at this point. (I'm a Lakers fan, so you might be tempted to throw Kobe out there in a discussion about 'superstar calls'. Feel free; Kobe does get superstar calls.)

Second, numbers don't lie; people do. What's Wade's NBA playoff record w/ Crawford vs. games w/o Crawford?
Crawford wasn't in the building though.



Yes he was. There's 2 Crawfords, no relation (one is white, one is black) and both are TERRIBLE

 

[big j 33]

[h1]Revelation: Heat's Mario Chalmers Is Jerry Gergich From Parks And Recreation[/h1]
Jun 15, 2012 -While watching Game 2 of the NBA Finals on Thursday night, I was pleasantly surprised/amused/elated/confused/ bewildered/amazed/adjectives at just how much flackMario Chalmersgets from the rest of theMiami Heatteam. While it's totally cool forLeBron Jamesto hoist up jumpers and play like he's holding down the playmaker stick and turbo buttons every game, and Wade can just spin around all day, andJoel Anthonyis allowed to eat the last piece of cake, Chalmers makes mistakes and they'reimmediately pounced on, earning him superstar Eeyore status.

So I got to thinking: "umm, omg you guys (because yeah, I abbreviate and my inner monologue is that of a 12-year-old tween) Mario Chalmers is Jerry (real name Garry) Gergich from Parks and Rec."

Okay so not everyone has seen the show, and if you haven't, stop reading this and start it. You can find it lots of places. Netflix has it. Hulu used to if anyone still goes on Hulu. The internet has clips on clips on clips. Or buy the DVDs, I'll even let you use my Amazon Prime account if you ask me nicely.

The thing about Jerry is, yeah he screws up -- and it's always comical when he does -- but what makes the bit so funny is that everyone immediately harps on him for it.






Chalmersis just the same. His blunders have this weird Kunderaean (new word alert) way of mattering more in the grand scheme of things because they happen when they do and because they happen by Chalmers. If someone else committed a silly foul, it goes unnoticed. If someone else dribbles it off their foot, it isn't when a team is furiously trying to mount a rally against the Heat.

And naturally, Chalmers fits his role perfectly. Even when everything's coming up Mario, LeBron, Wade and Bosh will find a way to laugh at Mario's expense or pick on the minor details. It's comical and tragic like that sad clown thing all the kids are talking about these days.

Just look at some of the tweets from the game on Thursday night:

These extra-long timeouts are so everybody on Miami can get a chance to yell at Mario Chalmers.
— John Hollinger (@johnhollinger)June 15, 2012

It's funny seeing Chalmers getting yelled at, but man, that he hasn't broke and still plays well tells you something about him...
— SebastianPruiti (@SebastianPruiti)June 15, 2012

The one thing I don't like about the Miami stars is how much s*** they give Chalmers. Better hold everyone to that standard, not just him.
— Raphielle Johnson (@raphiellej)June 15, 2012

Mario Chalmers is#HEATwhipping boy!!Always getting yelled at.#NBAFinals
—Wally Szczerbiak(@WSzczerbiak)June 15, 2012

new NBA meme idea: famous people shouting at Mario Chalmers
— Evan Dunlap (@BQRMagic)June 15, 2012

Can't wait for the roast of Mario Chalmers on Comedy Central this summer
— Mike Prada (@MikePradaSBN)June 15, 2012

Poor guy.

Maybe Chalmers just has a thick skin, and the rest of the team knows he can be the punching bag because he'll get right back up again. They can blow off steam, and he can absorb it, using it to fuel whatever strange mental quirk that Mario has going on. Maybe it's unfair entirely to beat down a guy who is still in the NBA and just as much a member of the team even if he's not a superstar. Maybe we need the Meg Griffins and Milhouses and Brittas and Neville Chamberlains and Zunes of the world for some kind of cosmic balance.

Regardless, I just can't stop laughing at the idea of LeBron James voiced by Aziz Ansari yelling at Mario Chambers after he falls into a creek to try and get a burrito that he dropped.

 

[Animal Thug]

Technically, if a players already in the air and the defense attempts to take a charge - it's a blocking foul because the player was already in the air. That was a correct call.

 

[sorkoram]

Move to game 3, definitely will be more questionable calls.

48 mins in the game.

 

[bigmike23]

Russell Westbrook: 27 points (10-26 FG, 5-7 FT), 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers in 42 minutes

Mario Chalmers:: 3 points (1-7 FG), 4 rebounds, 1 asst, 3 steals, 3 turnovers in 40 minutes


Yes, Westbrook definitely played the worst game ever from a PG in the NBA finals. No question about it.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

You know what, from that still photo I realized you are right. Battier isn't moving at all!

If you're going to reply, at least reply to my comment as to why I posted the still photo and leave the dry sarcasm.

 

[darthska]

Can I play?

I showed the rule about blocking/charging, and according to what i posted, that's a blocking foul.

Where's the rule that states how that knee is a foul?

 

[bossdonvah]

It was a block point blank

 

[aztec06jr]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Russell Westbrook: 27 points (10-26 FG, 5-7 FT), 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnovers in 42 minutes

Mario Chalmers:: 3 points (1-7 FG), 4 rebounds, 1 asst, 3 steals, 3 turnovers in 40 minutes


Yes, Westbrook definitely played the worst game ever from a PG in the NBA finals. No question about it.

Lol @ Magic criticizng 27 8 7. Russ out-rebounded Durant + Ibaka combined (!), made clutch plays (his and1 layup on LeBron), brought the most energy from either team, and shot 50% in the 2nd half, etc. 
CP3 gets eaten alive by Parker in the semis (after getting torched in past playoffs by Parker, Billups), DRose gets held to 10% shooting in the clutch against LeBron last year, Rondo alternates between historic and forgettable nights, Deron falling off the face of the earth, etc.....yet Westbrook gets by far the most criticism. This year everyone jumped on the Rondo bandwagon...so its like everyone got together to hate on Russ. All the guys I listed above have had injury problems...Westbrook? Hasn't missed a game in his entire college + NBA career 

... Compare his stats this year to DRose last year. Check the record and see which of the 2 has gotten All-Defensive votes. 

If not Westbrook, then who would the critics replace him with? CP3 or Deron?...2 1st ballot HOFers? So we're holding Russ up against the standard? Then on the corollary, we have to give him his just due when he's playing well. He dropped 25 and 10 in his 1st Finals game, 2nd player to ever do that, and he got ZERO props after game 1.

The media/public is holding Westbrook up against an unattainable standard. It's like criticizing LeBron when he'saveraging 30 & 10 in his last 3 playoff series (including this one)....

... Michael Jordan, Kobe, Bird, etc. never averaged 30 and 10. Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Magic never averaged 27 8 7...I get the Durant love, but this Russ bashing reminds me of the public blaming Kobe in the Pistons finals, completely ignoring that bums like Gary Payton, Slava Medvedenko, and Devean George were getting significant PT against a hungrier team. 

 

[darthska]

^ Magic was coming from the same place many have come from re: Westbrook, which is that he fails to 'quarterback' the team.

Russy ain't the first shooting PG, and he won't be the last. And just like every shooting PG ever, the criticism "He's not running the team, though" will be there until that PG has proven he can score AND take care of the other 4 dudes.

It's pretty simple to understand that criticism, honestly.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an opponent by extending a hand, arm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a position that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.

An offensive foul shall be assessed if the player initiates contact in a non-basketball manner (leads with his foot, an unnatural extended knee, etc.).


http://refcalls.com/categ...ball/nba/offensive-foul/

What's funny is that most of you "Lakers" fans knew perfectly well about this rule when you were crying over this play while you were rooting for by far your biggest rival and the possibility of them to win their 18th championship and go two up on the Lakers' 16 to beat the team that you have no historical rivalry with whatsoever:



But unlike the the Battier play, Garnett shoved Wade right in his arm.

 

[darthska]

Show a still photo of how far ahead of his torso Wade's knee is, then compare that to Durant's, since you want to compare the two plays.

I'll wait.

 

[aztec06jr]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

^ Magic was coming from the same place many have come from re: Westbrook, which is that he fails to 'quarterback' the team.

Russy ain't the first shooting PG, and he won't be the last. And just like every shooting PG ever, the criticism "He's not running the team, though" will be there until that PG has proven he can score AND take care of the other 4 dudes.

It's pretty simple to understand that criticism, honestly.

Show me the same type of criticism for Rose, an MVP.he choked in the clutch and missed both game winners and free throws.

 

[xtapolapacetl]

You blew it. You went to far. Because you already acknowledged that Durant kneed him with your first post replying to me posting a still of Durant kneeing Battier. You said that I should show you where the rule book states that that is an offensive foul. I did. Now that you can't question whether it WAS an offensive foul anymore, you question the SEVERITY of it and how it compares to the Wade-Garnett play.

You should've went with a "he didn't knee him at all" angle from the get-go. But you blew it. Now please don't ban me again like you did when I made a post making fun of your precious Kobe.

 

[mr s j king]

Y'all should know by now Durant is getting that call everytime.
And I think he should get that call, because of his launching point.
Dude is flying thru the air, so you can't really "take a charge" against him.
The refs have to consider his basketball ability when making that call.
If that's Perkins or Collison taking off that far from the rim, that's an obvious charge.
But KD can cover 60+ ft in two dribbles so you aint gettin' no charge unless you take that lead knee to the chin.
Spoelstra should use that Battie play to show the rest of the team how they should be playing defense too.
Especially Chris Bosh and Mario Chalmers.

 

[darthska]

Xtapolapacetl:

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You blew it. You went to far. Because you already acknowledged that Durant kneed him with your first post replying to me posting a still of Durant kneeing Battier. You said that I should show you where the rule book states that that is an offensive foul. I did. Now that you can't question whether it WAS an offensive foul anymore, you question the SEVERITY of it and how it compares to the Wade-Garnett play.

You should've went with a "he didn't knee him at all" angle from the get-go. But you blew it. Now please don't ban me again like you did when I made a post making fun of your precious Kobe.
Xtrafail, all throughout that reply

I never acknowledged that Durant fouled Battier; I commented on the fact that his knee is indeed up. Reason I'm not denying that is because the picture shows that his knee is, indeed, up.

So I asked for you to show a rule about knees being a foul. You did, and there's an interesting phrase in that rule: 'initiating contact'. Wade clearly initiated contact into Garnett; Battier ran over to an already airborne Durant who raised his knee in a natural layup motion. You do play basketball, right? Try a layup without extending your non-jumping knee.

And my 'precious Kobe'?!

Xtrasuperfail on that one.