- Sep 7, 2006
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He's actually scouted and acquired good young talent as well. Although the Red Sox are huge spenders they take a more balanced approach to building their team than do the Yankees.
Official MLB Offseason Post: Michael Young asks for a trade.
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by proshares,
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- Sep 27, 2007
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- Jon Heyman saying the Rangers up'ed their offer from 5 yrs to 6yr but the Yankees are still "heavy favorites"
- Texas is the favorite to get Grienke if not them Dodgers, Toronto and Milwaukee are the other favorites according to Heyman
- Texas is the favorite to get Grienke if not them Dodgers, Toronto and Milwaukee are the other favorites according to Heyman
- Sep 27, 2007
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- Jon Heyman saying the Rangers up'ed their offer from 5 yrs to 6yr but the Yankees are still "heavy favorites"
- Texas is the favorite to get Grienke if not them Dodgers, Toronto and Milwaukee are the other favorites according to Heyman
- Texas is the favorite to get Grienke if not them Dodgers, Toronto and Milwaukee are the other favorites according to Heyman
- Nov 18, 2010
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How?
- Nov 18, 2010
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How?
- Dec 16, 2007
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Yankees Should def sign Downs
- Dec 16, 2007
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Yankees Should def sign Downs
jpzx
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- Feb 7, 2008
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-Yankees have interest in Francisco Liriano, nothing likely to happen though.
-If Carl Pavano says no to the Minnesota, he'll be on his way to Texas (according to a Twins beat writer). That becomes even more likely if Cliff Lee heads to New York.
-If Carl Pavano says no to the Minnesota, he'll be on his way to Texas (according to a Twins beat writer). That becomes even more likely if Cliff Lee heads to New York.
jpzx
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- Feb 7, 2008
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-Yankees have interest in Francisco Liriano, nothing likely to happen though.
-If Carl Pavano says no to the Minnesota, he'll be on his way to Texas (according to a Twins beat writer). That becomes even more likely if Cliff Lee heads to New York.
-If Carl Pavano says no to the Minnesota, he'll be on his way to Texas (according to a Twins beat writer). That becomes even more likely if Cliff Lee heads to New York.
- Sep 27, 2007
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I think Adrian Beltre is about to get PAID!
He is holding the Angels essentially hostage. They need offense bad, and he is the best bat out there right now it seems.
He might get like 4 years at 60 mil
He is holding the Angels essentially hostage. They need offense bad, and he is the best bat out there right now it seems.
He might get like 4 years at 60 mil
- Sep 27, 2007
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I think Adrian Beltre is about to get PAID!
He is holding the Angels essentially hostage. They need offense bad, and he is the best bat out there right now it seems.
He might get like 4 years at 60 mil
He is holding the Angels essentially hostage. They need offense bad, and he is the best bat out there right now it seems.
He might get like 4 years at 60 mil
elpablo21
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- Feb 11, 2008
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M's sign Olivo....were making certified power moves out here
elpablo21
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- Feb 11, 2008
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M's sign Olivo....were making certified power moves out here
- Oct 16, 2006
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The A's offered him 60 mil before they pulled their offer (basically admitting they have no chance at getting him
- Oct 16, 2006
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The A's offered him 60 mil before they pulled their offer (basically admitting they have no chance at getting him
- Nov 18, 2010
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As soon as Anaheim lost out on Crawford with their weak offer, it was curtains. Now they have to deal with Scott Boras so they can appease their fans/ownership, and undoubtedly he's going to take them to the cleaners.
- Nov 18, 2010
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As soon as Anaheim lost out on Crawford with their weak offer, it was curtains. Now they have to deal with Scott Boras so they can appease their fans/ownership, and undoubtedly he's going to take them to the cleaners.
- Apr 9, 2004
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Trades, building the farm system, etc. Money might not be an object for the Red Sox, but it isn't thrown around recklessly.
- Apr 9, 2004
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Trades, building the farm system, etc. Money might not be an object for the Red Sox, but it isn't thrown around recklessly.
- Oct 1, 2006
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i don't buy that overpaid talk. it's not like this contract is gonna prevent the Sox from making any moves, i mean, it's not a small market team who's gonna be stuck with an albatross contract they can't get rid of...the Sox just bought %@%#$$@ Liverpool, $$ isn't a concern to fill the need of what you have to get.
After getting Gonzalez, the Sox put themselves out of the Pujols sweepstakes. factor in that the Sox were looking for a star outfielder, and with limited free agent options this year and next, you'd be looking at trading the farm (which is already hurting from the Gonzo trade) to get a player like Justin Upton. Thus, had to spend the money on Crawford, who will age well and be a great player for another 4 years at least. not to mention i heard the contract will be front loaded, so something like $17 a year at the end...
After getting Gonzalez, the Sox put themselves out of the Pujols sweepstakes. factor in that the Sox were looking for a star outfielder, and with limited free agent options this year and next, you'd be looking at trading the farm (which is already hurting from the Gonzo trade) to get a player like Justin Upton. Thus, had to spend the money on Crawford, who will age well and be a great player for another 4 years at least. not to mention i heard the contract will be front loaded, so something like $17 a year at the end...
- Oct 1, 2006
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i don't buy that overpaid talk. it's not like this contract is gonna prevent the Sox from making any moves, i mean, it's not a small market team who's gonna be stuck with an albatross contract they can't get rid of...the Sox just bought %@%#$$@ Liverpool, $$ isn't a concern to fill the need of what you have to get.
After getting Gonzalez, the Sox put themselves out of the Pujols sweepstakes. factor in that the Sox were looking for a star outfielder, and with limited free agent options this year and next, you'd be looking at trading the farm (which is already hurting from the Gonzo trade) to get a player like Justin Upton. Thus, had to spend the money on Crawford, who will age well and be a great player for another 4 years at least. not to mention i heard the contract will be front loaded, so something like $17 a year at the end...
After getting Gonzalez, the Sox put themselves out of the Pujols sweepstakes. factor in that the Sox were looking for a star outfielder, and with limited free agent options this year and next, you'd be looking at trading the farm (which is already hurting from the Gonzo trade) to get a player like Justin Upton. Thus, had to spend the money on Crawford, who will age well and be a great player for another 4 years at least. not to mention i heard the contract will be front loaded, so something like $17 a year at the end...
- Nov 18, 2010
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All of that is nice and all, but the fact remains that the Crawford contract is a massive overpay. Look at the list of biggest contacts in MLB history. Everyone on that list was either one of the 5 or 10 best hitters/pitchers in the majors. Crawford had an OPS of .851 last season, ranked 35th in the majors (some guys ahead of him: Kelly Johnson, Nick Swisher, and Billy Butler), and a career OPS of .780, both nowhere near elite. He had a career year last year, and it's likely that he may repeat his performance, and even surpass it somewhat, but he is what he is. A good, but not great hitter.
So if he's not worth a 142 mil contract because of his offense, than obviously the Sox made the deal due to his other strengths, namely his defense and speed. The thing about his defense is that he plays left field, and as everyone knows Fenway Park's left field has the green monster. Most of Crawford's defensive value lied in his ability to get to pop flies that others couldn't, but if everything is coming off the wall, what's the point of having a speedy left fielder? Also, he doesn't have a great arm; it's average at best.
So they must be paying for his speed. Indeed, Crawford may be the fastest player in the majors, and is sure to wreck havoc on the basepaths. But they gave him a 7 year deal, and historically athletic speed guys tend to lose their burst around 32 years old. And after he turns 32 he'll still have around 3 years left. So the bottom line is that the Sox have upgraded their outfield, but nowhere near to the extent they think they have, and not even close to what they paid for.
Cliffnotes: The BoSox overpaid. Massively.
- Nov 18, 2010
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All of that is nice and all, but the fact remains that the Crawford contract is a massive overpay. Look at the list of biggest contacts in MLB history. Everyone on that list was either one of the 5 or 10 best hitters/pitchers in the majors. Crawford had an OPS of .851 last season, ranked 35th in the majors (some guys ahead of him: Kelly Johnson, Nick Swisher, and Billy Butler), and a career OPS of .780, both nowhere near elite. He had a career year last year, and it's likely that he may repeat his performance, and even surpass it somewhat, but he is what he is. A good, but not great hitter.
So if he's not worth a 142 mil contract because of his offense, than obviously the Sox made the deal due to his other strengths, namely his defense and speed. The thing about his defense is that he plays left field, and as everyone knows Fenway Park's left field has the green monster. Most of Crawford's defensive value lied in his ability to get to pop flies that others couldn't, but if everything is coming off the wall, what's the point of having a speedy left fielder? Also, he doesn't have a great arm; it's average at best.
So they must be paying for his speed. Indeed, Crawford may be the fastest player in the majors, and is sure to wreck havoc on the basepaths. But they gave him a 7 year deal, and historically athletic speed guys tend to lose their burst around 32 years old. And after he turns 32 he'll still have around 3 years left. So the bottom line is that the Sox have upgraded their outfield, but nowhere near to the extent they think they have, and not even close to what they paid for.
Cliffnotes: The BoSox overpaid. Massively.
- Jul 28, 2009
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I agree they overpaid but it was the right move. He just made them the best team in baseball.
- Jul 28, 2009
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I agree they overpaid but it was the right move. He just made them the best team in baseball.
