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Someone post the Drummond Per Diem.
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If there were such a thing as an NBA hipster, chances are he or she would be quietly obsessed with Detroit Pistons rookie center Andre Drummond.

Drummond is toiling away in NBA obscurity in Detroit, where even the local fans are bored with their team -- the Palace of Auburn Hills is filled to only 60 percent capacity on game nights, by far the lowest in the league. The Pistons also might be the league's most nondescript team both in style and in name, so it's no surprise people might be snoozing on this guy.

And while everyone is justifiably jumping on the Damian Lillard bandwagon, there's still room on the Drummond train. But it's filling up quickly.

Drummond is currently producing at a level we've never seen in the NBA from a teenager. The 19-year-old big man is averaging 7.1 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.6 blocks with 59 percent shooting, all in less than 20 minutes per game.

He also has a 21.9 player efficiency rating, the highest PER for any teenager in NBA history. If it keeps up, he'll have a better PER than Kyrie Irving, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony when they were teenagers.

Translate his numbers on a per-36 minute basis, and you're left with 13.0 points, 13.3 rebounds, 3.0 blocks and 1.5 steals with 59.7 percent shooting.

[h4]Top PER among teenagers in NBA history*[/h4]
Andre Drummond21.919.7
Kyrie Irving21.430.5
Tracy McGrady20.622.6
Kobe Bryant18.526.0
LeBron James18.339.5
[th=""]Player[/th][th=""]PER[/th][th=""]Mins. per game[/th]
* - minimum 700 minutes

But to fully appreciate Drummond, you have to see him in action. Sure, you could be lazy and pull up the CliffsNotes version in the morning's top plays. After all, he's a staple there. But don't take shortcuts, because you don't want to miss his array of talents.

The first thing you notice about Drummond is that he moves like an oversized point guard. He is massive at 6-foot-10 and 270 pounds but he gallops around the court as if he were a foot shorter and a hundred pounds lighter. He runs circles around other lumbering 7-footers. To say he is athletic is to call Steve Nash mildly resourceful.

You probably have already seen the dunks. As far as vicious big-man dunkers go, Darryl Dawkins, Shawn Kemp and Blake Griffin might have company. Drummond is that terrifying. And he throws them down often, having already tallied 55 dunks this season, which trails only JaVale McGee, DeAndre Jordan, Tyson Chandler and Griffin in dunks per minute.

But it's the way he gets his dunks that's most impressive. On a half-dozen occasions this season, Drummond has stolen the ball on defense and started his own fast break, dribbling down the length of the floor for a thunderous slam on the other end. But it looks completely normal when he does it because he has that rare combination of skill and athleticism to pull it off. Can't say the same for most big men.

However, he's not just a dunker. Like most youngsters, Drummond has a tendency to chase steals and blocks. But he also has displayed a knack for getting stops, as evidenced by the fact that he's currently the only player in the league to average at least 3.0 blocks and 1.5 steals every 36 minutes on the floor. Yes, he's raw, but he's already turning his tantalizing potential into a reality in the box score.

This is where we arrive at the most logical destination when we talk about young talents: Who is his best comp?

To answer that question, we turn to fellow ESPN Insider Kevin Pelton, whose SCHOENE player projection system uses key player stats, as well as height and weight, to identify the most similar predecessors at the same age (ranked from zero to 100, with 100 being the most similar).

For Drummond, that's Dwight Howard. By a healthy margin.

[h4]Most similar to Drummond by SCHOENE similarity score[/h4]
Dwight Howard93.2
Andris Biedrins91.4
Derrick Favors91.3
Kevin Garnett91.1
Josh Smith90.6
[th=""]Player[/th][th=""]SimScore[/th]

Like Drummond, Howard came into the league at a similar age and height, but Howard received more minutes from the start, which is why their per-game stats don't match up well. Howard averaged 32.6 minutes per game in his debut season, far more than Drummond's 19.8 this season.

But on a per-36 minute level, we see Howard's averages of 13.2 points, 11.2 rebounds and 1.8 blocks with 9.1 shots per game are almost an exact replica of Drummond's season. Smart folks such as ESPN.com's Beckley Mason have made a comparison to Chandler, both in statistics and scoring style, but SCHOENE likes the Howard comp the best so far.

However, look at that second guy on the list. Yes, Andris Biedrins is the second strongest comparative player, and that's somewhat discouraging. But it makes sense when you consider that both Drummond and Biedrins haven't figured out how to make free throws quite yet, although Drummond's 39 percent rate isn't quite as rotten as Biedrins' 25 percent rate over the past four seasons.

If Biedrins is the worst-case scenario for the Pistons, they should be thrilled with that value at the ninth pick. It's easy to forget that before Biedrins' bizarre free throw affliction took over, he was a double-double machine who generated a $54 million contract from the Warriors.

And the others? A future Hall of Famer in Kevin Garnett, a blossoming starter in Derrick Favors and a borderline All-Star in Josh Smith. That mixed bag seems about right for a player as equally raw and talented as Drummond. And that's what makes him so intriguing. He could be this generation's next great center or he could be a backup at age 26.

Judging by his minutes, even the Pistons don't know exactly what they have. Despite his bubbling production and potential, the UConn product is still averaging only 21.3 minutes a night in January, down slightly from his 22.1-minute average in December. It's clear Detroit coach Lawrence Frank doesn't quite trust Drummond to play the minutes a player of his statistical caliber deserves.

While Drummond figures out Frank's system, the teenager might have another roadblock to overcome: Greg Monroe, another talented Detroit big man. However, the Pistons have dabbled in playing the two together, and it has yielded some early success. According to NBA.com's stats tool, a lineup of Brandon Knight, Rodney Stuckey, Tayshaun Prince and the two big men has played 52 minutes together (the fifth-most among Detroit lineups) and has beaten opponents by 12 points.

Those 52 minutes, however, are spread across just 16 games, indicating that lineup is only making cameos at this point. And although a point margin of plus-12 isn't exactly a home run, it's enough to make you wonder why it's not being used more often.

Drummond hasn't broken into the starting lineup yet, but it might be only a matter of time at this point. It's certainly possible the Pistons are showcasing veterans Charlie Villanueva and Jason Maxiell for a potential deal before the deadline and Drummond might end up getting a promotion soon. At 14-24, Detroit remains in the playoff hunt, but according to Hollinger's Playoff Odds, the Pistons have only about a one-in-three chance at punching their playoff ticket.

If the Pistons end up giving Drummond the minutes he deserves, East playoff bubble teams such as the Hawks and the Bucks better watch out.

And so should Damian Lillard
 
I was surprised Drummond wasn't taken higher at the time of the draft, and I'm still surprised. 

I take the chance on a 7 foot freak more times than not.
 
recording on court convos might be the softest **** ever.....knicks owner is a p'
 
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Will are you a knicks fan?

Its just disappointing you want the lakers 'to be good". :{

Thats all im going say. |I

So what? I'm a Knick fan and I want them to do go just so everyone can shut the **** up about them already. I don't need 20 minutes on TV about them and then sift through 10 pages of Phil pictures and Spurs gifs.
 
I've pretty much accepted it for what it is. Sports reporting will never be even and when the most high profile team in basketball is doing this poorly, you might as well squeeze as much out of it as you can. ESPN isnt the place to go anyways as we all know, they talked about Tim Tebow during basketall segments.
 
Will are you a knicks fan?

Its just disappointing you want the lakers 'to be good". :{

Thats all im going say. |I

So what? I'm a Knick fan and I want them to do go just so everyone can shut the **** up about them already. I don't need 20 minutes on TV about them and then sift through 10 pages of Phil pictures and Spurs gifs.

Repped for keeping it real :hat
 
Drummond :hat

:rollin @ the idiots that passed on him, same goes for Monroe.

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All star unis. I kinda like how Adidas slyly incorporated the 3 stripes into the shooting stars.

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The only team who really looks dumb not drafting him is Cleveland.

I understand the Wiz not wanting him after Javale but they are dumb too. Same with the Kings, it would have allowed Boogie to move to the 4 and that front line would be :eek :{

I said in the old NBA Draft thread I would be very tempted to take him second. I love MKG and the competitiveness he brings so I prolly would have taken him as the second choice but Drummond was always the #2 potential guy to me behind Davis.
 
I understand the Wiz not wanting him after Javale but they are dumb too. Same with the Kings, it would have allowed Boogie to move to the 4 and that front line would be
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I said in the old NBA Draft thread I would be very tempted to take him second. I love MKG and the competitiveness he brings so I prolly would have taken him as the second choice but Drummond was always the #2 potential guy to me behind Davis.
For a team that has take about 4 project big men in the past 5 years and currently have 2 coming of the bench...what purpose would Drummond have really served. He wouldn't start...so that would be Drummond, Vesley, and Seraphin all coming off your bench. Even though Drummond's ceiling is higher than both of them...can't keep stockpiling teenage project big men. SG was a need and they took the highest rated on the board.

If we're dumb for passing on him you might as say Charlotte is too. Same exact situation with the young bigs they're already trying to develop vs a need.
 
I liked how last year's allstar unis had darker shade shorts than the jerseys. Looked pretty dope. Only thing I didn't like was the gold numbering on the west jerseys
 
That maroon/crimson stuff was awful. Glad the NBA decided to go back to the more traditional RED on the West uni.
 
Finally Adidas does something right with the AS Jerseys. I still wish the would just make the jersey and be cool with just their logo on it like Nike/anyone else would most likely do. But it isnt as in your face as the last couple years. They look nice. I still would never cop a all star jersey unless the were discounted. But it looks nicer than anything they have done in the past since they've had the contract.
 
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