OFFICIAL NBA 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

[addict4sneakers]

LeBron’s workload was way higher than KD’s hence him being gassed in the 4th.
I mean if you wanna use that same logic Harden’s numbers and efficiency drop drastically in the 4th quarter but I’m sure you have him as your MVP.

If harden isn’t your MVP, something is wrong with you.

And we can blame workload but statistically you got the same output from Irving/Love as you did with Klay/Curry. Obviously from there GSW is better.

But again, the bigger moments belonged to KD

 

[addict4sneakers]

Hollow numbers?
Bron wasn’t being doubled/damn near tripled every possession?
He didn’t single-handedly win 2 games? lol
No impact? You’re reaching

Bruh they didn’t double Lebron, that’s why he shot 38x a game

 

[JD617]

lol well i don't believe that what primes mean but i was just going off his definition or interruption. idk why dude laughed at me when i said 13 yr prime when someone before me said 15 yr prime lol.

just for convo, going off your definition, what year was/is bron's prime? one year during his 1st cavs stints, a year in Miami, or now?

Oh I wasn’t making fun of you, I agree with what you were saying earlier about primes being a much smaller window. Kobe wasn’t in his prime in ‘99-‘00 and neither was LeBron in ‘04-‘05 so Idk what he was talking about with all that.

 

[wavycrocket]

Hollow numbers?
Bron wasn’t being doubled/damn near tripled every possession?
He didn’t single-handedly win 2 games? lol
No impact? You’re reaching

Golden State doesn’t double LeBron

 

[B Sox]

Bron shoulders alot more responsibility than KD. Nothing wrong with saying KD playing better but we not going to account for that?

That's on Bron since he picked the damn team. But let's be realistic here

The level of responsibility really isn't remotely close.

KD gets to play in the optimal basketball situation where he isn't even the most important piece to the team. That would be Steph.

 

[BIG FISH]

Harden is my MVP but by using your logic he shouldn’t be.
And bigger moments is such a narrative based reasoning but ight lol.
Not even saying KD didn’t play better but y’all are making it seem like he completely outclassed LeBron which definitely isn’t true.

 

[flyerthandelta]

In every finals that Bron loses where his teams have lost by record finals margins (2014 & 2017)....he always cleverly pads his stats...while not playing defense.

That way...he can go and say...”look...I averaged a triple double, I did “my part”. 2016....Bron was amazing. That’s an all time great finals right there as much as I hate to admit it.

But 2014 and 2017...his impact wasn’t felt outside the box score...and well all know and saw it.

What more do you want?!?!

 

[addict4sneakers]

Harden is my MVP but by using your logic he shouldn’t be.
And bigger moments is such a narrative based reasoning but ight lol.
Not even saying KD didn’t play better but y’all are making it seem like he completely outclassed LeBron which definitely isn’t true.

Not sure how it’s narrative based the film is out. What big moments did Lebron have in the finals last year? We remember him going scoreless in the last 4 minutes of a pivotal game 3. We remember him kicking the ball to korver instead of challenging Draymond at the rim

 

[B Sox]

In every finals that Bron loses where his teams have lost by record finals margins (2014 & 2017)....he always cleverly pads his stats...while not playing defense.

That way...he can go and say...”look...I averaged a triple double, I did “my part”. 2016....Bron was amazing. That’s an all time great finals right there as much as I hate to admit it.

But 2014 and 2017...his impact wasn’t felt outside the box score...and well all know and saw it.

Warriors have won their championships due them having a far superior supporting cast. In 2014, Bron is the primary reason that injured *** team won any games in the series. His efficiency wasn't great because he literally had to do EVERYTHING with no Kyrie, no Love. In 2017, Cavs Big 3 of Bron/Kyrie/Love averaged more PPG than KD/Steph/Klay.

 

[BIG FISH]

Not sure how it’s narrative based the film is out. What big moments did Lebron have in the finals last year? We remember him going scoreless in the last 4 minutes of a pivotal game 3. We remember him kicking the ball to korver instead of challenging Draymond at the rim

Well they lost 4-1 to a way better team I mean what moments did you expect?
If both players put up those exact same numbers but the Cavs won instead of GSW you would not be saying KD completely outplayed LeBron.

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

This is true.

Kobe- 1x MVP, 2x Finals MVP, 11x 1st Team All-NBA
Lebron- 4x MVP, 3x Finals MVP, 11x 1st Team All-NBA
Jordan- 5x MVP, 6x Finals MVP, 10x 1st Team All-NBA

I should have wrote this

 

[buc em]

Wade's peak defensively as a disruptor> Kobe defensively

Kobe's "81" and his other scoring prowess (really just his 3pt shooting alone puts him above Wade) > Wade ability as a playmaker and efficient scorer.

It's not that difficult man . The part about accolades speaks to exactly why Kobe has the better career. The question was who's peak was best tho, and that's a whole nother question to me at least.

You changed your post...it said "Wade's peak on defense > Kobe's peak on offense"...that's what I was responding to

But...

Kobe 12 time All Defense (9 time First Team)

Wade 3 time All Defense (all Second Team)

 

[wavycrocket]

Kevin Durant was clearly better than Le3/8ron last year. That’s NOT saying Bron wasn’t great...but it’s more of a credit as to how great KD was...and how the way Golden State plays and Steph Curry’s gravity helped him maximize his game to THAT level.

When a guy averages 35/8/5, plays elite defense in a gentlemen sweep...shoots 56/47/93 splits.....AND hits the game winner over “the best player”...you gotta just give it up to him and acknowledge that.

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

Elite defense gave up 80 points in two quarters in game 4

 

[addict4sneakers]

Well they lost 4-1 to a way better team I mean what moments did you expect?
If both players put up those exact same numbers but the Cavs won instead of GSW you would not be saying KD completely outplayed LeBron.

Obviously the warriors were better but you can’t watch every game say Lebron had the bigger impact in the series. KDs prints were all over every fourth quarter. Even the game the warriors lost, KD wouldn’t let the Cavs close the door

 

[MVP]

The level of responsibility really isn't remotely close.

KD gets to play in the optimal basketball situation where he isn't even the most important piece to the team. That would be Steph.

KD played both ways though at an elite level last finals. Bron got torched on defense.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

What series you watch last year....

the series where GS let LeBron get whatever he wanted offensively and on the other side of the court LeBron was looking like BBQ chicken against anyone he guarded.
Where would LeBron Stans be with out box scores.
Yeah we not playing the LeBron best player in the world anymore.

LeBron fans 2016 when curry outplayed him the whole year " LeBron outplayed him when it matters, the biggest series ,the finals .... Best in the world. "
LeBron fans when kd outplayed him in the finals " it's just one series, look At all the, "

Anything to twist a narrative.

 

[wavycrocket]

the series where GS let LeBron get whatever he wanted offensively and on the other side of the other side of the court LeBron was looking like a BBQ chicken against anyone he guarded.
Where would LeBron Stans be with out box scores.

There were plays during the blowout games where they literally conceded those lil spinning layups he loves to do. They were up by 25...and trading wide open 3s for LeBron 2s in the 4th.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Me and worldstar wavycrocket

I’m 50 of course

 

[BIG FISH]

Also Bron is at worst a top 4 player oat.
Mike
Kareem
Magic/Bron
Bron/Magic

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

Kyries performance game 5 was bad.

 

[BIG FISH]

Bron was def stat padding in game 5.
Don’t remember him doing it in any other games.

 

[wavycrocket]

Bron was def stat padding in game 5.
Don’t remember him doing it in any other games.

If he averaged 1 less assist....He couldn’t be on his Cry-rese.

What
MOAR
Do
YOU
Want
From
MEEEEEEEESE

 

[BIG FISH]

Obviously the warriors were better but you can’t watch every game say Lebron had the bigger impact in the series. KDs prints were all over every fourth quarter. Even the game the warriors lost, KD wouldn’t let the Cavs close the door

Never said Bron had a bigger impact.
My overall point is it was way closer than you guys make it seem and y’all also try to disregard the situation around each player as if that doesn’t play a role in anything.

 

[wavycrocket]

Me and worldstar wavycrocket

I’m 50 of course

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