OFFICIAL NBA 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

[freeze]

chips. bag of lays. yall mad.

 

[stillin729]

well damb
TJ deserves better than this fur real

conveniently left out where I said he has proven he is an NBA player

 

[MVP]

chips. bag of lays. yall mad.

Dead Zo was trolling BI last night too calling Dre 'TheRealIngram'

 

[freddy fig]

Was the nuggets wolves game always on nbatv? Seems like they flexed it, I'm down, laptop can be used to watch Freddie's team or watch Russ try to get 16 boards

Pels finna slice da spurs

 

[amitt5504]

Tj is a nice bench/rotation piece. He can run an offense, shoot, etc. what’s goin on in here?

He has the slowest release ever on his shot

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

 

[God]

He has the slowest release ever on his shot

What’s your point?

 

[freeze]

warriors avoid okc 1st round, they'll be fine til curry get byke. if they catch them and struggle, i betchu they unveil curry at the end of game 3 like the white ranger when tommy died.

 

[freeze]

numbers also dont tell the whole story.

 

[dman14]

watch some journalist vote andre ingram as roty on his ballot

 

[MVP]

warriors avoid okc 1st round, they'll be fine til curry get byke. if they catch them and struggle, i betchu they unveil curry at the end of game 3 like the white ranger when tommy died.

So you're saying GS tanked last night to avoid having to face Russ...interesting

 

[Bert.]

watch some journalist vote andre ingram as roty on his ballot

I would

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Ingram's D-League salary will go up too now right?

 

[casper90403]

was wondering that same thing about Ingram. Is he on a 10 day contract? 10 day contract are worth about $50k, right?

 

[MVP]

Everything that's been reported is he gets 13k foor these last 2 games.

 

[geno90221]

was wondering that same thing about Ingram. Is he on a 10 day contract? 10 day contract are worth about $50k, right?

75k

 

[VARNELL HILL]

was wondering that same thing about Ingram. Is he on a 10 day contract? 10 day contract are worth about $50k, right?

Yeah 50K for the 10 day and IIRC now that he has NBA experience his D-League salary goes up. If he gets a camp deal with the Lakers, that's also a nice little bonus.

Everything that's been reported is he gets 13k foor these last 2 games.

Well damn.

I'm guessing that's prorated.

 

[shotsrangout]

chips. bag of lays. yall mad.

First round exit

 

[shotsrangout]

Forgot the most important number

65 wins to 50 wins.

The bearded one deserves one this year.

 

[JD617]

gassed up? y'all really overreact

TJ is a end of the bench player at best on a championship team who might see 5-10 minutes but in reality his role is on a team that hovers between the 6th-8th seed who needs depth which is what he was before the Sixers added some pieces to become a better squad

people like him because he has been around through the process and everybody said he had no business in the NBA, he has proven he is an NBA player

I agree, but he definitely was being gassed up.

I'd be very surprised if he or TJ ever leave the Sixers. The two of them are best friends and the fan base is too attached to them.

I'm not saying TJ is going to hold The Decision Part 2 on ESPN but he's really an irreplaceable player on our team at this point. We play like **** without him. Ask anyone who really watches our team.

Buddy...TJ McConnell is an extremely important piece. Anyone who’s actually watched our games could tell you this. I mean you literally could have just watched our game yesterday to know how dumb that comment is.

You brought up TJ’s name like he was a joke in your first post. Halfway through his rookie year I would have never thought he’d be the player he is now, but the dude will full court press any point guard in the league, play efficient as hell on offense, control the tempo and he hit multiple buzzer beaters for us last year. GM LeBron personally tried to trade for him last year. He might look like he plays at your local rec but the dude is legitimately good.

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

"As someone who has held an MVP vote more years than not in the past decade, one of my great professional fears is 20 years from now, we look back on James’ magnificent career and wonder how it’s possible the greatest player of his generation — arguably the greatest of all time — could retire with only four MVP trophies.

That in itself isn’t reason enough to vote for him. The MVP isn’t meant as a career achievement award. But it does demand us to take a deep look at James every spring and make sure we can justify not voting for him.

James had a bad January by his lofty standards. He was sulking, perhaps silently protesting the Cavs’ misfit roster through his play. Yet, he still averaged 23.5 points, 7.3 rebounds and 7.4 assists as the Cavs came apart at the seams. Guys have gone to All-Star games with numbers far worse.

James also has been part of a defense mired in 29th in defensive rating. The Cavs have been a disaster defensively all season, and he is culpable. There is no denying he has failed to close out, failed to get even to half court on plenty of defensive possessions. These are the sins on his season.

Yet, there’s also this: In every year since 2012, one advanced metric has correctly predicted the NBA’s MVP. The player who finished first in Value Over Replacement Player each of the past six years, from Kevin Durant to James to Steph Curry to Russell Westbrook, has also gone on to win the MVP.

This year? James is first in VORP. Harden is second.

What is VORP? It isn’t discussed or referenced as much as player efficiency rating, perhaps because PER came along first and is pushed heavily by ESPN. But those who make a living working for NBA teams and studying these types of numbers believe PER, despite having efficiency in its name, actually is inefficient because it rewards high volume shooters.

VORP, while limited to box score data and play by play, also factors in team performance. It is basically an estimate of the points, per 100 possessions, that a player contributed above replacement level. The Cavs, like most teams, use their own set of internal metrics to measure players. But one data set they do use is a version very similar to VORP.

Now just because James is first in VORP isn’t enough to vote for him, but it’s certainly curious that since 2006, the player who finished first in VORP has won the MVP every year except four times. In all four years (’06-’08 and 2011), James finished first in VORP and failed to win the MVP. He truly could — and perhaps should — win the MVP almost every year.

James will finish this season with more points, rebounds, assists and blocks than Harden. He will also become just the second player in NBA/ABA history to average at least 27 points, 8 rebounds and 9 assists while shooting better than 50 percent. Oscar Robertson did it while shooting 52 percent in 1962-63. James is doing it while shooting 54 percent this season.

And yet he’s doing all of this at age 33 and in his 15th season despite less help, not more. As my colleague, ESPN’s Dave McMenamin astutely pointed out, Harden benefited this season from the Rockets adding Chris Paul. The Cavs, meanwhile, took away Kyrie Irving and instead gave James a broken Isaiah Thomas. Then he lost Kevin Love for two months to a fractured hand. Yet, James still has the Cavs back to 50 wins and a division title despite a roster that has been torn down and rebuilt multiple times in the past 10 months"

 

[amitt5504]

What’s your point?

He’d be better if his release was faster. A shot a normal player can get off he can’t because his release is so slow

 

[God]

He’d be better if his release was faster. A shot a normal player can get off he can’t because his release is so slow

That’s cool and all, but what does that have to do with him being a solid backup pg as was being discussed?

 

[casper90403]

Are you guys talking about THE TJ McDonnell?

 

[freddy fig]

"As someone who has held an MVP vote more years than not in the past decade, one of my great professional fears is 20 years from now, we look back on James’ magnificent career and wonder how it’s possible the greatest player of his generation — arguably the greatest of all time — could retire with only four MVP trophies.

That in itself isn’t reason enough to vote for him. The MVP isn’t meant as a career achievement award. But it does demand us to take a deep look at James every spring and make sure we can justify not voting for him.

James had a bad January by his lofty standards. He was sulking, perhaps silently protesting the Cavs’ misfit roster through his play. Yet, he still averaged 23.5 points, 7.3 rebounds and 7.4 assists as the Cavs came apart at the seams. Guys have gone to All-Star games with numbers far worse.

James also has been part of a defense mired in 29th in defensive rating. The Cavs have been a disaster defensively all season, and he is culpable. There is no denying he has failed to close out, failed to get even to half court on plenty of defensive possessions. These are the sins on his season.

Yet, there’s also this: In every year since 2012, one advanced metric has correctly predicted the NBA’s MVP. The player who finished first in Value Over Replacement Player each of the past six years, from Kevin Durant to James to Steph Curry to Russell Westbrook, has also gone on to win the MVP.

This year? James is first in VORP. Harden is second.

What is VORP? It isn’t discussed or referenced as much as player efficiency rating, perhaps because PER came along first and is pushed heavily by ESPN. But those who make a living working for NBA teams and studying these types of numbers believe PER, despite having efficiency in its name, actually is inefficient because it rewards high volume shooters.

VORP, while limited to box score data and play by play, also factors in team performance. It is basically an estimate of the points, per 100 possessions, that a player contributed above replacement level. The Cavs, like most teams, use their own set of internal metrics to measure players. But one data set they do use is a version very similar to VORP.

Now just because James is first in VORP isn’t enough to vote for him, but it’s certainly curious that since 2006, the player who finished first in VORP has won the MVP every year except four times. In all four years (’06-’08 and 2011), James finished first in VORP and failed to win the MVP. He truly could — and perhaps should — win the MVP almost every year.

James will finish this season with more points, rebounds, assists and blocks than Harden. He will also become just the second player in NBA/ABA history to average at least 27 points, 8 rebounds and 9 assists while shooting better than 50 percent. Oscar Robertson did it while shooting 52 percent in 1962-63. James is doing it while shooting 54 percent this season.

And yet he’s doing all of this at age 33 and in his 15th season despite less help, not more. As my colleague, ESPN’s Dave McMenamin astutely pointed out, Harden benefited this season from the Rockets adding Chris Paul. The Cavs, meanwhile, took away Kyrie Irving and instead gave James a broken Isaiah Thomas. Then he lost Kevin Love for two months to a fractured hand. Yet, James still has the Cavs back to 50 wins and a division title despite a roster that has been torn down and rebuilt multiple times in the past 10 months"

did hardens beard write dat part about advanced metrics