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Lebron will never D kobe? Especially in the closing minutes of a game?
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Sure, but what does that have to do with whos better? Its like comparing Karl Malone to Hakeem
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rollinSame ole Kobe fans I swear. NOW that Lebron is KING of the NBA, you dudes all of a sudden want to cop out and "not compare." When Bron was stuck on that D League Cavs squad and couldn't go NOWHERE, you dudes were QUICK to want to "compare" Kobe vs Bron EVERY chance y'all got. .
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How exactly would Marc Stein benefit from Dwight leaving LA to come to Dallas? 
Either way, it's not groundbreaking and you knew it'd be there with all the drama around him.. Dwight has been leery of LA for whatever reason in the past. He won't sign an extension now so there will media speculation all the way through, especially when he's not playing well or if the Lakers come up short next June...
He's probably not leaving and he'll re-sign there once he can get his fifth year, but until he signs, you know we're gonna hear about it.
But Marc Stein benefitting from him coming to Dallas because he lives here? C'mon man.
Either way, it's not groundbreaking and you knew it'd be there with all the drama around him.. Dwight has been leery of LA for whatever reason in the past. He won't sign an extension now so there will media speculation all the way through, especially when he's not playing well or if the Lakers come up short next June...
He's probably not leaving and he'll re-sign there once he can get his fifth year, but until he signs, you know we're gonna hear about it.
But Marc Stein benefitting from him coming to Dallas because he lives here? C'mon man.
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Same ole Kobe fans I swear. NOW that Lebron is KING of the NBA, you dudes all of a sudden want to cop out and "not compare." When Bron was stuck on that D League Cavs squad and couldn't go NOWHERE, you dudes were QUICK to want to "compare" Kobe vs Bron EVERY chance y'all got. .
its pretty well known that I'm the biggest Pacer fan on the bored and HATE Lebron and Kobe, and everyone else who doesnt play for the Pacers (except Jamal Crawford)....you tried though bro
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So you hate Lebron? Yeah, uh, could've figured that one.
Anyway, I wasn't calling you a Kobe fan, I was just basically saying that to the guy you quoted but your reply was last. Anyway, you get the point, dudes want to cop out NOW all of a sudden talkin about, "they play different positions or they're different players" but when Kobe was winning his rings, all y'all were quick to compare.
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Fam, before this playoff run I NEVER saw you post about the Pacers.
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The problem is that people are prisoners of the moment. Is Lebron better than a 33 yr old shooting guard who has been in the L for 16 years? Of course he is. To me that it like comparing MJ with the Wizards to Kobe in 2003 (or whatever year that was). Lebron is the best player in the league hands down (and I hate him for it), but are we going to sit here and act like Kobe wont be the best SG on the floor in Lakers/Heat matchups?
Before this year, how many times had you seen me post in S&T period? I wish I could find other Pacers fans, I couldnt even find enough guys to keep a Pacers offseason thread in motion smh
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This thread is all over the place. 
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Career Numbers Kobe VS Lebron
KOBE: Free throws made – 4th (7,407)
Points – 5th (29,484)
Field goal attempts – 7th (22,706)
Free throw attempts – 7th (8,842)
Field goals made – 11th (10,286)
Points per game – 10th (25.39)
3-point field goal attempts – 10th (4,472)
Turnovers – 12th (3,432)
3-point field goals made – 17th (1,505)
Steals – 17th (1,722)
Minutes played – 21st (42,377)
Steals per game – 36th (1.4
Minutes per game – 44th (36.50)
Games played – 43rd – (1,161)
Assists – 45th (5,41
Free throw % – 73rd (.8377)
Personal fouls – 74th (2,991)
Defensive rebounds – 78th (4,77
Assists per game – 113th (4.66)
Rebounds – 150th (6,142)
Blocks – 178th (594)
Rebounds per game – 206th (5.29)
Offensive rebounds – 212th (1,364)
Career – playoffs[12]
3-point field goal attempts – 1st (882)
3-point field goals made – 3rd (292)
Field goal attempts – 3rd (4,499)
Free throws made – 3rd (1,320)
Points – 3rd (5,640)
Minutes played – 3rd (8,641)
Turnovers – 3rd (647)
Field goals made – 4th (2,014)
Free throw attempts – 5th (1,617)
Games played – 5th (220)
Steals – 7th (310)
Personal fouls – 8th (660)
Assists – 9th (1,040)
Points per game – 13th (25.64)
Defensive rebounds – 21st (889)
Steals per game – 31st (1.41)
Blocks – 35th (144)
Rebounds – 39th (1,119)
Minutes per game – 45th (39.2
Assists per game – 50th (4.73)
Blocks per game – 54th (0.65)
Offensive rebounds – 59th (230)
Free throw % – 97th (.8163)
Rebounds per game – 125th (5.0
3-point field goal % – 148th (.3312)
5-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010[13][14][15]
7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010[13][14][15][16][17]
2-time NBA Finals MVP: 2009, 2010
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[7][18][19]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[2![0]](/styles/default/xenforo/NTemojis/alien.gif "Alien 0]")
14-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012[9]
14 consecutive selections, 13 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)[9][21]
Missed the 2010 game due to injury[22]
4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009, 2011 (shared the 2009 award with Shaquille O'Neal)[23]
14-time All-NBA Team selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012[24][25]
Second team: 2000, 2001[24][25]
Third team: 1999, 2005[24][25]
12-time All-Defensive Team selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[26][27]
Second team: 2001, 2002, 2012[26][27]
NBA All-Rookie Team selection:
Second team: 1997[28][29]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[3
16-time Player of the Month: December 2000, November 2001, January 2003, March 2004, January 2006, April 2006, December 2006, March 2007, April 2007, February 2008, April 2008, December 2008, January 2009, December 2009, March 2011, December/January 2012
Need i continue...Again i dont hate Lebron i respect him, but dont brush kobe under the rug like you forgot he still in the League, Yeah Bron puts up better numbers so what Oscar Robertson did too they wasnt saying he the best player in the league with the Chamberlains n Wests of the world!
KOBE: Free throws made – 4th (7,407)
Points – 5th (29,484)
Field goal attempts – 7th (22,706)
Free throw attempts – 7th (8,842)
Field goals made – 11th (10,286)
Points per game – 10th (25.39)
3-point field goal attempts – 10th (4,472)
Turnovers – 12th (3,432)
3-point field goals made – 17th (1,505)
Steals – 17th (1,722)
Minutes played – 21st (42,377)
Steals per game – 36th (1.4
Minutes per game – 44th (36.50)
Games played – 43rd – (1,161)
Assists – 45th (5,41
Free throw % – 73rd (.8377)
Personal fouls – 74th (2,991)
Defensive rebounds – 78th (4,77
Assists per game – 113th (4.66)
Rebounds – 150th (6,142)
Blocks – 178th (594)
Rebounds per game – 206th (5.29)
Offensive rebounds – 212th (1,364)
Career – playoffs[12]
3-point field goal attempts – 1st (882)
3-point field goals made – 3rd (292)
Field goal attempts – 3rd (4,499)
Free throws made – 3rd (1,320)
Points – 3rd (5,640)
Minutes played – 3rd (8,641)
Turnovers – 3rd (647)
Field goals made – 4th (2,014)
Free throw attempts – 5th (1,617)
Games played – 5th (220)
Steals – 7th (310)
Personal fouls – 8th (660)
Assists – 9th (1,040)
Points per game – 13th (25.64)
Defensive rebounds – 21st (889)
Steals per game – 31st (1.41)
Blocks – 35th (144)
Rebounds – 39th (1,119)
Minutes per game – 45th (39.2
Assists per game – 50th (4.73)
Blocks per game – 54th (0.65)
Offensive rebounds – 59th (230)
Free throw % – 97th (.8163)
Rebounds per game – 125th (5.0
3-point field goal % – 148th (.3312)
5-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010[13][14][15]
7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010[13][14][15][16][17]
2-time NBA Finals MVP: 2009, 2010
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[7][18][19]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[2
14-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012[9]
14 consecutive selections, 13 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)[9][21]
Missed the 2010 game due to injury[22]
4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009, 2011 (shared the 2009 award with Shaquille O'Neal)[23]
14-time All-NBA Team selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012[24][25]
Second team: 2000, 2001[24][25]
Third team: 1999, 2005[24][25]
12-time All-Defensive Team selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[26][27]
Second team: 2001, 2002, 2012[26][27]
NBA All-Rookie Team selection:
Second team: 1997[28][29]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[3
16-time Player of the Month: December 2000, November 2001, January 2003, March 2004, January 2006, April 2006, December 2006, March 2007, April 2007, February 2008, April 2008, December 2008, January 2009, December 2009, March 2011, December/January 2012
Need i continue...Again i dont hate Lebron i respect him, but dont brush kobe under the rug like you forgot he still in the League, Yeah Bron puts up better numbers so what Oscar Robertson did too they wasnt saying he the best player in the league with the Chamberlains n Wests of the world!
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http://niketalk.com/t/327528/offici...s-thread-3rd-seed-locked-vol-pacers-back/0_20
Looking pretty bleak in there wouldn't you say?
Like I said, most of the so called pacer "fans" came out of the wood works once the playoffs started.
Only other pacer fan I'd acknowledge would be misterp.
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Career Regular Season Stats
(Orange Cleveland days - Red Miami)
2003-04: 79 games, 39.5 MPG, 20.9 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .417/.290/.754 shooting
2004-05: 80 games, 42.4 MPG, 27.2 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 7.2 APG, 2.2 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .472/.351/.750 shooting
2005-06: 79 games, 42.5 MPG, 31.4 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .480/.335/.738 shooting
2006-07: 78 games, 40.9 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .476/.319/.698 shooting
2007-08: 75 games, 40.4 MPG, 30.0 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 7.2 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.1 BPG, .484/.315/.712 shooting
2008-09: 81 games, 37.7 MPG, 28.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 7.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.1 BPG, .489/.344/.780 shooting
2009-10: 76 games, 39.0 MPG, 29.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.0 BPG, .503/.333/.767 shooting
2010-11: 79 games, 38.8 MPG, 26.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.6 BPG, .510/.330/.759 shooting
2011-12: 62 games, 37.5 MPG, 27.1 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 6.2 APG, 1.9 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .531/.362/.771 shooting
Career Regular Season Stats: 689 games, 39.9 MPG, 27.6 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .483/.331/.746 shooting.
Career Playoff Stats
2005-06: 13 games, 46.5 MPG, 30.8 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .476/.333/.737 shooting
2006-07: 20 games, 44.7 MPG, 25.1 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.5 BPG, .416/.280/.755 shooting
2007-08: 13 games, 42.5 MPG, 28.2 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 7.6 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.3 BPG, .411/.257/.731 shooting
2008-09: 14 games, 41.4 MPG, 35.3 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 7.3 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .510/.333/.749 shooting
2009-10: 11 games, 41.8 MPG, 29.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 7.6 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.8 BPG, .502/.400/.733 shooting
2010-11: 21 games, 43.9 MPG, 23.7 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.2 BPG, .466/.353/.763 shooting
2011-12: 23 games, 42.7 MPG, 30.3 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.9 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .500/.259/.739 shooting
Career Playoff Stats: 115 games, 43.4 MPG, 28.5 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .469/.312/.745 shooting
Awards and Accomplishments
3x NBA MVP (2009, 2010, 2012)
2012 NBA Finals MVP
NBA Champion with Miami Heat (2012)
8x NBA All-Star (2005-2012)
2003-04 NBA Rookie of the Year
2x All-Star Game MVP (2006, 200
20x Eastern Conference Player of the Month
6x All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2012)
2x All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
4x All-Defensive First Team (2009-2012)
2003-04 All-Rookie First Team
2007-08 NBA Scoring Champion
Notable Statistical Achievements
*Scored 50+ points in a game 9 times
*Scored 40+ points in a game 48 times in the regular season, and 11 times in the playoffs
*Has recorded 32 triple-doubles in the regular season, and 8 in the playoffs, including one in the Finals-Clinching game in 2012
*Is the youngest player ever to....
-Record a triple-double
-To record a playoff triple-double
-To score 30 points in a game
-To score 40 points in a game
-To score 2000 or more points in a season
-To average 30 or more PPG in a season
-To make the All-NBA team
-To be named to the All-NBA 1st team
-To reach every thousand point milestone between 1000 and 19000 points.
*Led NBA Playoffs in Points,[..]ists and steals in 2007
*Led NBA Playoffs in Points, offensive rebounds, total rebounds and field goals in 2012
All-Time Ranks
*3rd in NBA history in PPG
*28th in NBA history in APG
*6th in NBA history in MPG
*4th in NBA playoff history in PPG
*19th in NBA playoff history in APG
*17th in NBA playoff history in SPG
*5th in NBA playoff history in MPG
At the End of the Day when its all said and done he will be better than Kobe at the end of his Career as of right now i cant give him that title just yet....
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2003-04: 79 games, 39.5 MPG, 20.9 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .417/.290/.754 shooting
2004-05: 80 games, 42.4 MPG, 27.2 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 7.2 APG, 2.2 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .472/.351/.750 shooting
2005-06: 79 games, 42.5 MPG, 31.4 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .480/.335/.738 shooting
2006-07: 78 games, 40.9 MPG, 27.3 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .476/.319/.698 shooting
2007-08: 75 games, 40.4 MPG, 30.0 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 7.2 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.1 BPG, .484/.315/.712 shooting
2008-09: 81 games, 37.7 MPG, 28.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 7.2 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.1 BPG, .489/.344/.780 shooting
2009-10: 76 games, 39.0 MPG, 29.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.0 BPG, .503/.333/.767 shooting
2010-11: 79 games, 38.8 MPG, 26.7 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.6 BPG, .510/.330/.759 shooting
2011-12: 62 games, 37.5 MPG, 27.1 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 6.2 APG, 1.9 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .531/.362/.771 shooting
Career Regular Season Stats: 689 games, 39.9 MPG, 27.6 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.8 BPG, .483/.331/.746 shooting.
Career Playoff Stats
2005-06: 13 games, 46.5 MPG, 30.8 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.4 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .476/.333/.737 shooting
2006-07: 20 games, 44.7 MPG, 25.1 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 8.0 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.5 BPG, .416/.280/.755 shooting
2007-08: 13 games, 42.5 MPG, 28.2 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 7.6 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.3 BPG, .411/.257/.731 shooting
2008-09: 14 games, 41.4 MPG, 35.3 PPG, 9.1 RPG, 7.3 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .510/.333/.749 shooting
2009-10: 11 games, 41.8 MPG, 29.1 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 7.6 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.8 BPG, .502/.400/.733 shooting
2010-11: 21 games, 43.9 MPG, 23.7 PPG, 8.4 RPG, 5.9 APG, 1.7 SPG, 1.2 BPG, .466/.353/.763 shooting
2011-12: 23 games, 42.7 MPG, 30.3 PPG, 9.7 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.9 SPG, 0.7 BPG, .500/.259/.739 shooting
Career Playoff Stats: 115 games, 43.4 MPG, 28.5 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BPG, .469/.312/.745 shooting
Awards and Accomplishments
3x NBA MVP (2009, 2010, 2012)
2012 NBA Finals MVP
NBA Champion with Miami Heat (2012)
8x NBA All-Star (2005-2012)
2003-04 NBA Rookie of the Year
2x All-Star Game MVP (2006, 200
20x Eastern Conference Player of the Month
6x All-NBA First Team (2006, 2008-2012)
2x All-NBA Second Team (2005, 2007)
4x All-Defensive First Team (2009-2012)
2003-04 All-Rookie First Team
2007-08 NBA Scoring Champion
Notable Statistical Achievements
*Scored 50+ points in a game 9 times
*Scored 40+ points in a game 48 times in the regular season, and 11 times in the playoffs
*Has recorded 32 triple-doubles in the regular season, and 8 in the playoffs, including one in the Finals-Clinching game in 2012
*Is the youngest player ever to....
-Record a triple-double
-To record a playoff triple-double
-To score 30 points in a game
-To score 40 points in a game
-To score 2000 or more points in a season
-To average 30 or more PPG in a season
-To make the All-NBA team
-To be named to the All-NBA 1st team
-To reach every thousand point milestone between 1000 and 19000 points.
*Led NBA Playoffs in Points,[..]ists and steals in 2007
*Led NBA Playoffs in Points, offensive rebounds, total rebounds and field goals in 2012
All-Time Ranks
*3rd in NBA history in PPG
*28th in NBA history in APG
*6th in NBA history in MPG
*4th in NBA playoff history in PPG
*19th in NBA playoff history in APG
*17th in NBA playoff history in SPG
*5th in NBA playoff history in MPG
At the End of the Day when its all said and done he will be better than Kobe at the end of his Career as of right now i cant give him that title just yet....
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Shoot me now...
Heat won't walk over Lakers.. Lakers wouldn't walk over Heat..
Problem Solved
Heat won't walk over Lakers.. Lakers wouldn't walk over Heat..
Problem Solved
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What exactly do career numbers have to do with today? This isn't a hall of fame debate.
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yes they would.
people are just hating on this team and its ridiculous.
i wish we could close this thread til the season starts.
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Walk over is where there is absolutely no chance for the other team.
Come on man.. Everyone knows I'm a huge Laker fan. I do think in a 7 game series Lakers have the advantage.. But it's no cake walk.. By any means
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People are really desperate when they use career stats.
What Kobe did in 2002 has nothing to do with Kobe in 2012.
What Kobe did in 2002 has nothing to do with Kobe in 2012.
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Weren't you a Pacers' fans about three months ago or am I confusing you with someone else?
And y'all dudes take this Kobe v. LeBron nonsense to another thread.
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What exactly do career numbers have to do with today? This isn't a hall of fame debate.
Wait...how old are you kid so career numbers dont mean anything huh its year to date...you wanna compare kobe to Lebron go for it...but dont start getting gased up just cause he finally got a chip and then all of a sudden you wanna crown him...i wonder where all the Heat fans was at that last yr with shaq when they went like
18-64....rightttt
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