Official New York Yankees Offseason Thread

We all know Willis is no #1 starter anymore.... But is he a decent bullpen arm? no one has tried that, and you can't really deny if he can get it going, he could be a good bullpen addition.

We need bullpen arms.... As important as we need starters... Do I think we need Willis so much that it jeopardizes Cliff Lee or Crawford if we go after him? No, don't be ridiculous.

But do I feel Willis has something left? Yes.. He's a lefty who can still throw 90+.. Showed flashes of himself in 2010 albeit for a few starts, but a completely different role may make it a constant...

Yankees used to be king of "project" players.... And this is a project....

You sign Willis for cheap and looking at his current prospects he would take anything... So you know it is not a huge financial risk..You will know if it doesn't work, and if it doesn't get rid of him.....

You get him into better shape, and tweak his mechanics (best case scenario it clicks, worst case scenario it doesn't work out and less than a mil was wasted on trying an idea)

Did we not just have a 10-10 starter with a 5+ ERA making $11M to be a #4 last off-season... That is a huge risk... This is hardly a risk compared to that..


As for A.J. we spent all year complaining about him... No one says get rid of him. If we get Cliff Lee.. He certainly isn't #1 or #2.. So already he is demoted to #3 as compared to the role we signed him to do... Then we have 2 guys who had much better seasons (Pettitte if he comes back, and Hughes)... Also as a 5th starter, you hardly have any pressure on you. Pressure is something A.J. seems to not take too well.. As a 5th starter if you give us 5-1/3 of good innings we'll take it... As a number 2 starter you are expected to give 7... He was the number 2 starter up until August... Then was demoted to 4th starter, and finally by September he was the #5 starter.. And a #4 in the playoffs...

As for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it.... He really hasn't got anything else.. With Crawford he isn't a better fielder than any of the OF we have... But it seems Girardi wants him in the lineup no matter what, so you put him at the DH role... Not all players are good DH's because when your only job is to hit, and that is not going well, you fall apart.. and Swisher definitely isn't... Swisher plays with so much intensity only letting him get at bats would be a potential land mind if he is not doing well... Putting him out there to field allows him more concentration on baseball as a whole, instead of just hitting...

In a best case scenario world, Montero is ready for the majors as a starting catcher. Posada is going to start regardless leaves us with either C or DH, and I find it unlikely for Girardi to not put him at Catcher considering he did it for half the games in 2010 when he is barely a functional catcher anymore..... But I am going on what is likely and what is most likely is he plays Catcher half the season.. I'd rather Gardener be a bench player, but taking into account past history, what is going on, who Girardi is likely to start at Catcher, Montero doesn't start very often.. So that leaves us with either Thames or Gardener... Reason I take Gardener is we need a person in the lineup who will play small ball, and Gardener can do that..
 
We all know Willis is no #1 starter anymore.... But is he a decent bullpen arm? no one has tried that, and you can't really deny if he can get it going, he could be a good bullpen addition.

We need bullpen arms.... As important as we need starters... Do I think we need Willis so much that it jeopardizes Cliff Lee or Crawford if we go after him? No, don't be ridiculous.

But do I feel Willis has something left? Yes.. He's a lefty who can still throw 90+.. Showed flashes of himself in 2010 albeit for a few starts, but a completely different role may make it a constant...

Yankees used to be king of "project" players.... And this is a project....

You sign Willis for cheap and looking at his current prospects he would take anything... So you know it is not a huge financial risk..You will know if it doesn't work, and if it doesn't get rid of him.....

You get him into better shape, and tweak his mechanics (best case scenario it clicks, worst case scenario it doesn't work out and less than a mil was wasted on trying an idea)

Did we not just have a 10-10 starter with a 5+ ERA making $11M to be a #4 last off-season... That is a huge risk... This is hardly a risk compared to that..


As for A.J. we spent all year complaining about him... No one says get rid of him. If we get Cliff Lee.. He certainly isn't #1 or #2.. So already he is demoted to #3 as compared to the role we signed him to do... Then we have 2 guys who had much better seasons (Pettitte if he comes back, and Hughes)... Also as a 5th starter, you hardly have any pressure on you. Pressure is something A.J. seems to not take too well.. As a 5th starter if you give us 5-1/3 of good innings we'll take it... As a number 2 starter you are expected to give 7... He was the number 2 starter up until August... Then was demoted to 4th starter, and finally by September he was the #5 starter.. And a #4 in the playoffs...

As for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it.... He really hasn't got anything else.. With Crawford he isn't a better fielder than any of the OF we have... But it seems Girardi wants him in the lineup no matter what, so you put him at the DH role... Not all players are good DH's because when your only job is to hit, and that is not going well, you fall apart.. and Swisher definitely isn't... Swisher plays with so much intensity only letting him get at bats would be a potential land mind if he is not doing well... Putting him out there to field allows him more concentration on baseball as a whole, instead of just hitting...

In a best case scenario world, Montero is ready for the majors as a starting catcher. Posada is going to start regardless leaves us with either C or DH, and I find it unlikely for Girardi to not put him at Catcher considering he did it for half the games in 2010 when he is barely a functional catcher anymore..... But I am going on what is likely and what is most likely is he plays Catcher half the season.. I'd rather Gardener be a bench player, but taking into account past history, what is going on, who Girardi is likely to start at Catcher, Montero doesn't start very often.. So that leaves us with either Thames or Gardener... Reason I take Gardener is we need a person in the lineup who will play small ball, and Gardener can do that..
 
Originally Posted by Essential1

We all know Willis is no #1 starter anymore.... But is he a decent bullpen arm? no one has tried that, and you can't really deny if he can get it going, he could be a good bullpen addition.

We need bullpen arms.... As important as we need starters... Do I think we need Willis so much that it jeopardizes Cliff Lee or Crawford if we go after him? No, don't be ridiculous.

But do I feel Willis has something left? Yes.. He's a lefty who can still throw 90+.. Showed flashes of himself in 2010 albeit for a few starts, but a completely different role may make it a constant...

Yankees used to be king of "project" players.... And this is a project....

You sign Willis for cheap and looking at his current prospects he would take anything... So you know it is not a huge financial risk..You will know if it doesn't work, and if it doesn't get rid of him.....

You get him into better shape, and tweak his mechanics (best case scenario it clicks, worst case scenario it doesn't work out and less than a mil was wasted on trying an idea)

Did we not just have a 10-10 starter with a 5+ ERA making $11M to be a #4 last off-season... That is a huge risk... This is hardly a risk compared to that..


As for A.J. we spent all year complaining about him... No one says get rid of him. If we get Cliff Lee.. He certainly isn't #1 or #2.. So already he is demoted to #3 as compared to the role we signed him to do... Then we have 2 guys who had much better seasons (Pettitte if he comes back, and Hughes)... Also as a 5th starter, you hardly have any pressure on you. Pressure is something A.J. seems to not take too well.. As a 5th starter if you give us 5-1/3 of good innings we'll take it... As a number 2 starter you are expected to give 7... He was the number 2 starter up until August... Then was demoted to 4th starter, and finally by September he was the #5 starter.. And a #4 in the playoffs...

As for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it.... He really hasn't got anything else.. With Crawford he isn't a better fielder than any of the OF we have... But it seems Girardi wants him in the lineup no matter what, so you put him at the DH role... Not all players are good DH's because when your only job is to hit, and that is not going well, you fall apart.. and Swisher definitely isn't... Swisher plays with so much intensity only letting him get at bats would be a potential land mind if he is not doing well... Putting him out there to field allows him more concentration on baseball as a whole, instead of just hitting...

In a best case scenario world, Montero is ready for the majors as a starting catcher. Posada is going to start regardless leaves us with either C or DH, and I find it unlikely for Girardi to not put him at Catcher considering he did it for half the games in 2010 when he is barely a functional catcher anymore..... But I am going on what is likely and what is most likely is he plays Catcher half the season.. I'd rather Gardener be a bench player, but taking into account past history, what is going on, who Girardi is likely to start at Catcher, Montero doesn't start very often.. So that leaves us with either Thames or Gardener... Reason I take Gardener is we need a person in the lineup who will play small ball, and Gardener can do that..

What exactly is your projected payroll? All those moves we'd surely be at $250 million minimum
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And personally my biggest offseason wish is for Joe Giradi to retire that absurd situational numbers book he has or at least his outright dependence on it
 
Originally Posted by Essential1

We all know Willis is no #1 starter anymore.... But is he a decent bullpen arm? no one has tried that, and you can't really deny if he can get it going, he could be a good bullpen addition.

We need bullpen arms.... As important as we need starters... Do I think we need Willis so much that it jeopardizes Cliff Lee or Crawford if we go after him? No, don't be ridiculous.

But do I feel Willis has something left? Yes.. He's a lefty who can still throw 90+.. Showed flashes of himself in 2010 albeit for a few starts, but a completely different role may make it a constant...

Yankees used to be king of "project" players.... And this is a project....

You sign Willis for cheap and looking at his current prospects he would take anything... So you know it is not a huge financial risk..You will know if it doesn't work, and if it doesn't get rid of him.....

You get him into better shape, and tweak his mechanics (best case scenario it clicks, worst case scenario it doesn't work out and less than a mil was wasted on trying an idea)

Did we not just have a 10-10 starter with a 5+ ERA making $11M to be a #4 last off-season... That is a huge risk... This is hardly a risk compared to that..


As for A.J. we spent all year complaining about him... No one says get rid of him. If we get Cliff Lee.. He certainly isn't #1 or #2.. So already he is demoted to #3 as compared to the role we signed him to do... Then we have 2 guys who had much better seasons (Pettitte if he comes back, and Hughes)... Also as a 5th starter, you hardly have any pressure on you. Pressure is something A.J. seems to not take too well.. As a 5th starter if you give us 5-1/3 of good innings we'll take it... As a number 2 starter you are expected to give 7... He was the number 2 starter up until August... Then was demoted to 4th starter, and finally by September he was the #5 starter.. And a #4 in the playoffs...

As for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it.... He really hasn't got anything else.. With Crawford he isn't a better fielder than any of the OF we have... But it seems Girardi wants him in the lineup no matter what, so you put him at the DH role... Not all players are good DH's because when your only job is to hit, and that is not going well, you fall apart.. and Swisher definitely isn't... Swisher plays with so much intensity only letting him get at bats would be a potential land mind if he is not doing well... Putting him out there to field allows him more concentration on baseball as a whole, instead of just hitting...

In a best case scenario world, Montero is ready for the majors as a starting catcher. Posada is going to start regardless leaves us with either C or DH, and I find it unlikely for Girardi to not put him at Catcher considering he did it for half the games in 2010 when he is barely a functional catcher anymore..... But I am going on what is likely and what is most likely is he plays Catcher half the season.. I'd rather Gardener be a bench player, but taking into account past history, what is going on, who Girardi is likely to start at Catcher, Montero doesn't start very often.. So that leaves us with either Thames or Gardener... Reason I take Gardener is we need a person in the lineup who will play small ball, and Gardener can do that..

What exactly is your projected payroll? All those moves we'd surely be at $250 million minimum
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And personally my biggest offseason wish is for Joe Giradi to retire that absurd situational numbers book he has or at least his outright dependence on it
 
i dont want cliff lee to be honest, i wanna beat this dude

we have a new threat in the rangers, its not just boston anymore

i think tampa will be good but they will take a few steps back


how about we eat most of aj's contract and trade him to the nl, maybe for a derek lowe, brett meyers or brandon webb

or how about trading him for carlos zambrano, bad contract for bad contract
 
i dont want cliff lee to be honest, i wanna beat this dude

we have a new threat in the rangers, its not just boston anymore

i think tampa will be good but they will take a few steps back


how about we eat most of aj's contract and trade him to the nl, maybe for a derek lowe, brett meyers or brandon webb

or how about trading him for carlos zambrano, bad contract for bad contract
 
Originally Posted by Mr Cashfl0w


What exactly is your projected payroll? All those moves we'd surely be at $250 million minimum
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And personally my biggest offseason wish is for Joe Giradi to retire that absurd situational numbers book he has or at least his outright dependence on it
Depends on who stays........

If we keep everyone on the team that we had this year it will probably be around $215mil

If Vasquez goes and we get Lee $225mil... (Vasquez was $11 mil which we took on his whole salary... That's saying Lee would get $21mil/year)

Crawford  brings us to $240 max (hopefully we can get him down to 10 but unlikely)

Willis brings us to $240.7-241
 
Originally Posted by Mr Cashfl0w


What exactly is your projected payroll? All those moves we'd surely be at $250 million minimum
roll.gif


And personally my biggest offseason wish is for Joe Giradi to retire that absurd situational numbers book he has or at least his outright dependence on it
Depends on who stays........

If we keep everyone on the team that we had this year it will probably be around $215mil

If Vasquez goes and we get Lee $225mil... (Vasquez was $11 mil which we took on his whole salary... That's saying Lee would get $21mil/year)

Crawford  brings us to $240 max (hopefully we can get him down to 10 but unlikely)

Willis brings us to $240.7-241
 
We need to start beefing up our young ones
Possibly another starter (Cliff) and new faces in the Bullpen

Call up Montero.

Rid of Joba, Vasquez, Berkman, Robertson

Find a Solid DH

I like our outfeild of Brett, Curtis,and Swish so i dont really see the point of going out and buying another OF

Keep Kerry Wood as a setup man for MO

Give Mo, Posada, Petitie and Jeter lifetime contracts (or until they retire contracts). Most wont agree with that but I feel they deserve that respect


Edited and this*

But

SMH @ the posada hate and the hate for our core 4 .... just cause theyre gettin old, yall are ready to write them off

Idc if u call urself a yankee fan... go burn in hell for that @#$+

s for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it....


And thats exactly why i like him. Hes a hustle type player, scratches and claws to get on the basepads. Hes young. His speed is unreal... And we need SOMEONE like that in our lineup.. 
 
We need to start beefing up our young ones
Possibly another starter (Cliff) and new faces in the Bullpen

Call up Montero.

Rid of Joba, Vasquez, Berkman, Robertson

Find a Solid DH

I like our outfeild of Brett, Curtis,and Swish so i dont really see the point of going out and buying another OF

Keep Kerry Wood as a setup man for MO

Give Mo, Posada, Petitie and Jeter lifetime contracts (or until they retire contracts). Most wont agree with that but I feel they deserve that respect


Edited and this*

But

SMH @ the posada hate and the hate for our core 4 .... just cause theyre gettin old, yall are ready to write them off

Idc if u call urself a yankee fan... go burn in hell for that @#$+

s for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it....


And thats exactly why i like him. Hes a hustle type player, scratches and claws to get on the basepads. Hes young. His speed is unreal... And we need SOMEONE like that in our lineup.. 
 
we need more than 1 pitcher.

Unless AJ "figures something out" in the offseason...we need help.

for right now lets say Pettitte retires, that leaves us with CC, AJ and Hughes...need 2 solid starters.

I'd love to start getting Montero some burn, and personally I'd love to see Adam Dunn as our DH but I doubt that will happen
 
we need more than 1 pitcher.

Unless AJ "figures something out" in the offseason...we need help.

for right now lets say Pettitte retires, that leaves us with CC, AJ and Hughes...need 2 solid starters.

I'd love to start getting Montero some burn, and personally I'd love to see Adam Dunn as our DH but I doubt that will happen
 
Originally Posted by ForeverDecember21

s for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it....

And thats exactly why i like him. Hes a hustle type player, scratches and claws to get on the basepads. Hes young. His speed is unreal... And we need SOMEONE like that in our lineup.. 


That's why I said move him to DH... He wouldn't be the prototypical DH... But if we get Crawford I'd much rather have Crawford in the field...

What I was saying was based on if it all goes one certain way...

If we don't get Crawford, keep Gardener in LF and find the prototypical DH..


Same when I was talking about Willis... It is saying that everything goes one certain way and we get Cliff Lee, and Pettitte & Mo stay.. Taking a chance on Willis in the bullpen for next to nothing compared to our other salaries is not that bad of an idea (especially with the talent around him to help him out).... Considering we have a habit on going after mediocre starters to be #3s for $10+mil...

If we get Cliff Lee and Pettitte stays it gives a solid 1-5 (AJ in the back of the rotation..). Gives us a shot with Moseley to sharpen up his arm and give him the starter role for when Pettitte leaves (most likely after the next season if he comes back)...

It is obvious our Bullpen is only Mo & Wood... I think Joba's time in NY should be ended because no matter what we do with him, he gives 3 or 4 good appearances then becomes Mr. Hittable... We can never figure out our bullpen outside the 9th since 2000... Time to pull no punches and do things the opposite of what we have been doing...

 
 
Originally Posted by ForeverDecember21

s for Gardener what do we use him for? Speed and small ball that's it....

And thats exactly why i like him. Hes a hustle type player, scratches and claws to get on the basepads. Hes young. His speed is unreal... And we need SOMEONE like that in our lineup.. 


That's why I said move him to DH... He wouldn't be the prototypical DH... But if we get Crawford I'd much rather have Crawford in the field...

What I was saying was based on if it all goes one certain way...

If we don't get Crawford, keep Gardener in LF and find the prototypical DH..


Same when I was talking about Willis... It is saying that everything goes one certain way and we get Cliff Lee, and Pettitte & Mo stay.. Taking a chance on Willis in the bullpen for next to nothing compared to our other salaries is not that bad of an idea (especially with the talent around him to help him out).... Considering we have a habit on going after mediocre starters to be #3s for $10+mil...

If we get Cliff Lee and Pettitte stays it gives a solid 1-5 (AJ in the back of the rotation..). Gives us a shot with Moseley to sharpen up his arm and give him the starter role for when Pettitte leaves (most likely after the next season if he comes back)...

It is obvious our Bullpen is only Mo & Wood... I think Joba's time in NY should be ended because no matter what we do with him, he gives 3 or 4 good appearances then becomes Mr. Hittable... We can never figure out our bullpen outside the 9th since 2000... Time to pull no punches and do things the opposite of what we have been doing...

 
 
why are people talking about moving Gardner...he plays a great LF...if anything...Swish might not be retained...I hope he is...and if somehow they get Crawford (doubt it we dont need him) move Brett to RF or Crawford to Center and Grandy to RF

OF is not a big deal for us

we have much more pressing concerns
 
why are people talking about moving Gardner...he plays a great LF...if anything...Swish might not be retained...I hope he is...and if somehow they get Crawford (doubt it we dont need him) move Brett to RF or Crawford to Center and Grandy to RF

OF is not a big deal for us

we have much more pressing concerns
 
Essential's ideas aren't as bad as some of you are making them out to be. At least he has some good reasoning behind his ideas (2nd post). D-Train seems done. But as Essential said, he'd be a very cheap project. And yes, the Yanks are (were) known to be the king of projects. Mainly b/c they were always able to absorb the loss if the project didn't work out. Hell, Essential's idea about D-Train is pretty much what the Yanks did w/Wood. And look at how that turned out.

AJ = Randy Johnson 2.0. He just doesn't have that NY mentality. Nothing wrong with that b/c not everyone can pitch in NY and have success. Contreras, Pavano, Javy, and so on. As mentioned before, AJ started as the #2 starter, dropped to 5th by the end of the year and wasn't even an option in the 1st round. So that idea of trading him for Zombrano isn't a bad one.
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And the idea of him going into next season as a #5 isn't far off either.

Originally Posted by ForeverDecember21



GiveMo, Posada, Petitie and Jeter lifetime contracts (or until they retirecontracts). Most wont agree with that but I feel they deserve thatrespect
Edited and this*

But

SMH @ the posada hate and the hate for our core 4 .... just cause theyre gettin old, yall are ready to write them off

Idc if u call urself a yankee fan... go burn in hell for that @#$+

Lifetime contracts? That @%%* is laughable. Jete will already get the benefit of being "the Captain" and all that by being offered a 3 or 4 year deal at big money when he clearly should get only 2 more years TOPS starting at least at half of what he's making now. This is a BUSINESS. Bernie Williams and Don Mattingly are 2 of the ALL TIME YANKEES and they both were prematurely shoved out the door. But in any business, you have to make hard decisions to ultimately keep your product fresh, relevant, and competitive. Jete will stay, but you're acting as if decisions concerning the "core 4" is a taboo topic.

And I don't see where anyone in here is even showing "hate for the core 4". Everyone is just acknowledging something needs to be done about Posada. He's just about washed up.
 
Essential's ideas aren't as bad as some of you are making them out to be. At least he has some good reasoning behind his ideas (2nd post). D-Train seems done. But as Essential said, he'd be a very cheap project. And yes, the Yanks are (were) known to be the king of projects. Mainly b/c they were always able to absorb the loss if the project didn't work out. Hell, Essential's idea about D-Train is pretty much what the Yanks did w/Wood. And look at how that turned out.

AJ = Randy Johnson 2.0. He just doesn't have that NY mentality. Nothing wrong with that b/c not everyone can pitch in NY and have success. Contreras, Pavano, Javy, and so on. As mentioned before, AJ started as the #2 starter, dropped to 5th by the end of the year and wasn't even an option in the 1st round. So that idea of trading him for Zombrano isn't a bad one.
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And the idea of him going into next season as a #5 isn't far off either.

Originally Posted by ForeverDecember21



GiveMo, Posada, Petitie and Jeter lifetime contracts (or until they retirecontracts). Most wont agree with that but I feel they deserve thatrespect
Edited and this*

But

SMH @ the posada hate and the hate for our core 4 .... just cause theyre gettin old, yall are ready to write them off

Idc if u call urself a yankee fan... go burn in hell for that @#$+

Lifetime contracts? That @%%* is laughable. Jete will already get the benefit of being "the Captain" and all that by being offered a 3 or 4 year deal at big money when he clearly should get only 2 more years TOPS starting at least at half of what he's making now. This is a BUSINESS. Bernie Williams and Don Mattingly are 2 of the ALL TIME YANKEES and they both were prematurely shoved out the door. But in any business, you have to make hard decisions to ultimately keep your product fresh, relevant, and competitive. Jete will stay, but you're acting as if decisions concerning the "core 4" is a taboo topic.

And I don't see where anyone in here is even showing "hate for the core 4". Everyone is just acknowledging something needs to be done about Posada. He's just about washed up.
 
Originally Posted by venom lyrix

why are people talking about moving Gardner...he plays a great LF...if anything...Swish might not be retained...I hope he is...and if somehow they get Crawford (doubt it we dont need him) move Brett to RF or Crawford to Center and Grandy to RF

OF is not a big deal for us

we have much more pressing concerns
its more of a "hey, why not?"....  I think Crawford would be great as a Yankee... He will steal as much as Gardener and could possibly hit 25hr's 100+ RBI's with the benefit of Yankee Stadium... That added with Gardener makes us one of the better baserunning teams in the majors, and not sacrificing being one of the best power hitting teams...

You could realistically rotate Swisher Crawford Gardener and Granderson into DH and different OF positions on a day to day or a week to week basis... Saying that Posada is a Catcher and not a DH...

If we don't get Crawford for LF we would still be OK in the OF department.. But Crawford on the team gives us extra speed on the bases and allows for the bottom of the order to have better production...

But like you said OF is not the biggest issue we have but the chance to get a player like Crawford is a huge benefit..
 
Originally Posted by venom lyrix

why are people talking about moving Gardner...he plays a great LF...if anything...Swish might not be retained...I hope he is...and if somehow they get Crawford (doubt it we dont need him) move Brett to RF or Crawford to Center and Grandy to RF

OF is not a big deal for us

we have much more pressing concerns
its more of a "hey, why not?"....  I think Crawford would be great as a Yankee... He will steal as much as Gardener and could possibly hit 25hr's 100+ RBI's with the benefit of Yankee Stadium... That added with Gardener makes us one of the better baserunning teams in the majors, and not sacrificing being one of the best power hitting teams...

You could realistically rotate Swisher Crawford Gardener and Granderson into DH and different OF positions on a day to day or a week to week basis... Saying that Posada is a Catcher and not a DH...

If we don't get Crawford for LF we would still be OK in the OF department.. But Crawford on the team gives us extra speed on the bases and allows for the bottom of the order to have better production...

But like you said OF is not the biggest issue we have but the chance to get a player like Crawford is a huge benefit..
 
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