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i’ve known some meth users who were borderline recreational but i’ve never known anyone to take heroin just to chill 😂
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i hope i don't know anyone who does heroin or meth.
i had an old friend that i heard started doing meth and the last i heard he was sending texts of complete gibberish and trying to break in to people's houses.
 


Even the reactionary NY Post cannot downplay how based this man is.


In the article he says he did 10 bumps over 10 days to only mild withdrawal so it’s should be titles “Playing Chicken with Addiction” if he did 30 bumps over 30 days I am pretty sure his experience would have been significantly different.

I really wish this was about smoking weed instead
 
In the article he says he did 10 bumps over 10 days to only mild withdrawal so it’s should be titles “Playing Chicken with Addiction” if he did 30 bumps over 30 days I am pretty sure his experience would have been significantly different.

I really wish this was about smoking weed instead

He has the self discipline to stop for a bit, have the mild withdrawal symptoms and then use later on thus avoiding a rising tolerance. Obviously, not everyone can do it and should never use opiates recreationally.

I still think this perspective is worthwhile because it pushes back in the legal and social convention that any use of recreation drug, that is not cannabis, is one and the same with being addicted.
 
Manchin says he'll vote against Biden OMB nominee Neera Tanden
Funny how you "stopped" "supporting" Donald Trump last year, but it's 2021 and you're still the "bad news for dems" bot.

Old gimmicks die hard.

The supporters of raise the minimum wage are an actual silent majority.
Fixed.


A $15 minimum wage is like hip hop music: it's popular everywhere but the rural Midwest, the Senate, and conservative "news" outlets.


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i hope i don't know anyone who does heroin or meth.
i had an old friend that i heard started doing meth and the last i heard he was sending texts of complete gibberish and trying to break in to people's houses.

I'd rather live in an apartment building with a hundred pot heads than a building with one meth head. Personally, I don't know anyone who does either. I am one person removed from people who use, but I have no association with them other than that I'm friends with their siblings. And, I've never met them.
 
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You’re taking issue with the “silent” part? it’s a play on Donald Trump’s claim that his minority coalition was actually a majority. And the silent part is also a reference to the fact that every time someone posts about raising the minimum wage, on social media, the replies disproportionately are against raising the minimum wage.
 
Remember this about “hard” drugs, because it’s so stigmatized and criminalized, you’re less likely to see or know about casual users. You only see users who are addicted and that addiction is causing a major problem.

People can drink alcohol and (increasingly) consume cannabis openly. If alcohol were illegal to possess or consume (during prohibition, users of alcohol were not criminalized) and alcohol was as stigmatized as heroin or methamphetamine, users would be way more discrete so you’d only see or hear about some who is drunk in public or gets into a car crash or otherwise s uses alcohol in a problematic way.
 
Come on man just buy some lower grade opioids, what on earth is he doing buying heroin?

I was thinking the same thing. Like if he’s not chasing a big, big high, he should drink some opium tea a few days on then a few days off.

I think that if all drugs were legalized, people would tend to go back to lower potency options which are currently very uncommon in the black market since low potency and bulky and drugs are harder to smuggle.
 
Remember this about “hard” drugs, because it’s so stigmatized and criminalized, you’re less likely to see or know about casual users. You only see users who are addicted and that addiction is causing a major problem.

People can drink alcohol and (increasingly) consume cannabis openly. If alcohol were illegal to possess or consume (during prohibition, users of alcohol were not criminalized) and alcohol was as stigmatized as heroin or methamphetamine, users would be way more discrete so you’d only see or hear about some who is drunk in public or gets into a car crash or otherwise s uses alcohol in a problematic way.
i get what you’re saying.... but naw. This was not the hill to die on for this message.
 
Some Tramadol is still going to get you high as a kite and drowning in euphoria for the whole day, especially if you get the extended release ones. If you want to recreationally use opioids, picking heroin is beyond baffling. He's having withdrawal symptoms after just 10 days of use, you could easily do 30 days straight of Tramadol and probably get little to no withdrawals. I was on planet euphoria for like 2 months straight when I had a kneecap stabilization surgery and had zero withdrawal symptoms from that.
 
i get what you’re saying.... but naw. This was not the hill to die on for this message.

As much as I want all drugs legalized and want the unfair stigmas to go away and consider the dichotomy of “hard” and “soft” drugs to problematic, I want to see an equitable society where people have such dignified and fulfilling and materially secure lives that the population is using fewer drugs like heroin or cocaine, the fast acting euphoriant drugs, than they are now.
 
All I’d suggest is that you read Dr. Hart’s book, or, at the very least, ask yourself whether this is not the NYPost’s latest attempt to use ‘cultural issues’ and university professors to distract from other pressing issues (prison reform, abolition, sensible drug policy, etc). Sound bites and decontextualized excerpts is what they do.
 
At 54, the married father of three has snorted small amounts of heroin for as many as 10 days in a row and enjoyed it mightily – even if, as he recalls in his new book “Drug Use for Grown-ups: Chasing Liberty in the Land of Fear” (Penguin Press), he’s experienced mild withdrawal symptoms “12 to 16 hours after the last dose.”

But, as Hart sees it, the discomfort is a worthwhile trade-off.

There aren’t many things in life that I enjoy more than a few lines by the fireplace at the end of the day,” he writes, pointing out that the experience leaves him “refreshed” and “prepared to face another day.”

Hart, who studies the effects of psychoactive drugs on humans, finds his use of the narcotic to be “as rational as my alcohol use. Like vacation, sex and the arts, heroin is one of the tools that I use to maintain my work-life balance.”

wild.
 
All I’d suggest is that you read Dr. Hart’s book, or, at the very least, ask yourself whether this is not the NYPost’s latest attempt to use ‘cultural issues’ and university professors to distract from other pressing issues (prison reform, abolition, sensible drug policy, etc). Sound bites and decontextualized excerpts is what they do.
Dr. Hart is an incredible professor. Actually regret not taking a class with him when I had the chance. Heard him speak several times though.
 
My boy bought a bag of heroin like 8 years ago. He just wanted to see what it was all about.

did it all and never touched it again.
 
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You’re taking issue with the “silent” part? it’s a play on Donald Trump’s claim that his minority coalition was actually a majority. And the silent part is also a reference to the fact that every time someone posts about raising the minimum wage, on social media, the replies disproportionately are against raising the minimum wage.
Are you really so shell-shocked that you think I'm personally attacking you by echoing your point that the $15 minimum wage is popular and adding recent polling data to illustrate how its supporters aren't particularly shy about it? There is clear majority support for a $15 minimum wage. This is a good thing.

We just sat through an entire serial drama about how Rusty hates Black socialists because he objected to a White person who isn't you throwing a tantrum over a policy that isn't socialist, which we all ultimately want to see enacted.
Don't do this.
 
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