***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

And white “liberal” fake “socialist” amplified this too.





These people are terrible man. It’s like one terrible after the next. **** is exhausting.

The media pundits are not even as bad as some of the Youtubers...

Leaked Racist Messages Show ‘Leftist’ YouTuber Isn’t

SocialismDoneLeft is the latest BreadTube personality who isn’t what they say they are.

www.vice.com

My girl's Bernie Bro cousin (who is black) is starting to snap out of it and sour on socialism because he is starting to feel the same way I feft a decade ago. Like even though these people say they agree with you, you get the sense that your presence is unwelcomed in some spaces. But instead of DSA meetings, it is Discord chats

 

[RustyShackleford]

none of this is accurate.
but please carry on without me.

Yah I don't agree.

 

[IATT]

 

[wavycrocket]

Skreets saying ole Van Jones took Kim K from Kanye

 

[RustyShackleford]

Skreets saying ole Van Jones took Kim K from Kanye

Bruh

 

[RustyShackleford]

Scam after the first time Kim let him smash...

 

[elpablo21]

=

Skreets saying ole Van Jones took Kim K from Kanye

Stay away klay plz

I shouldnt have taken these odds so lightly

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

Step 1: Yell the Democratic are ****ing up by listening to a small subset of their coalition
Step 2: Fail to show actual members of the Party are doing it on a large scale
Step 3: Reassert it is a massive problem, repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 4: Acknowledge they have no power over the GOP messaging machine that paints them as out of touch
Step 5: Repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 6: Claim the GOP is better with messaging, but also the Dems are unfairly held to a higher standard that makes things way harder for them
Step 7: Repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 8: Handwave the fact he is asking for an unprecedented level of messaging coordination, given the point he already conceded
Step 9: Repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 10: Acts like it is an easy fix, but offers up a solution that really won't solve anything
Step 11: Welp, you know

I think you should replace step 1 with:

Yell that the Democrats are ******* up by adopting the language of a small subset of their coalition

As far as I can see, he doesn't really object to any particular issue, but rather to the way it's discussed. He may not have made the case with a multitude of examples, but that's at least as much the fault of the reporting. The questioning repeatedly pushed for takes and opinion rather than argument and evidence.

I doubt you disagree that the Democrats would do better if these issues got into the zeitgeist a bit differently. You could probably find a more broadly motivating slogan than "defund the police". But you're right that he doesn't really offer a real remedy.

I think he has a hard time understanding how the path from his observations to his conclusions should have changed in the last 25 years. People don't consume news or politics via direct engagement with a small set of media outlets. You can't just go on Meet the Press and yell the same points over and over and expect to shift the narrative. You can (and should!) try, but you lose a lot of control of the messaging as it permeates through the Internet's filtering system down to people's Facebook feeds.

I suspect he knows that he's out of touch and couldn't craft a modern strategy. But I also suspect he doesn't think it's his job anymore.

PS - I'd have thought you'd be more charitable with poor old James; I read many of your bars on Bernie, socialism, and black voters in a Cajun accent.

 

[marikomorose]

They're parasites.

 

[dreamer23]

look at ***** *** art acevedo standing next to criminal cops.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I think you should replace step 1 with:

Yell that the Democrats are ****ing up by adopting the language of a small subset of their coalition

As far as I can see, he doesn't really object to any particular issue, but rather to the way it's discussed. He may not have made the case with a multitude of examples, but that's at least as much the fault of the reporting. The questioning repeatedly pushed for takes and opinion rather than argument and evidence.

I doubt you disagree that the Democrats would do better if these issues got into the zeitgeist a bit differently. You could probably find a more broadly motivating slogan than "defund the police". But you're right that he doesn't really offer a real remedy.

I think he has a hard time understanding how the path from his observations to his conclusions should have changed in the last 25 years. People don't consume news or politics via direct engagement with a small set of media outlets. You can't just go on Meet the Press and yell the same points over and over and expect to shift the narrative. You can (and should!) try, but you lose a lot of control of the messaging as it permeates through the Internet's filtering system down to people's Facebook feeds.

I suspect he knows that he's out of touch and couldn't craft a modern strategy. But I also suspect he doesn't think it's his job anymore.

PS - I'd have thought you'd be more charitable with poor old James; I read many of your bars on Bernie, socialism, and black voters in a Cajun accent.

My thing is, neither Biden, the Senate candidates, and a vast majority of House candidates pushed stuff like "defund the police", like 1% of their caucus even runs as a socialist. The party didn't push that language

The example of actual elected Democratic officials doing the defund the police stuff is like 2 or three tweets.

So he is railing against something the Dems are not actually doing, or did.

So his real beef should be that either the Dems a) Did not make an attempt to distance themselves from that language (which they actually did), b) The Dems need to police the words and online conduct of a small group of people (Which is a near-impossible task). Or aim your criticism at the same subset of activist you got an issue with (he won't, because then hardly anyone would care about this)

I just don't think people like Caville are being intellectually honest here. And you can tell because whenever they are challenged they start to recalibrate their criticism.

 

[aepps20]

SHE FEARED FOR HER LIFE.

 

[boris]

The media pundits are not even as bad as some of the Youtubers...

Leaked Racist Messages Show ‘Leftist’ YouTuber Isn’t

SocialismDoneLeft is the latest BreadTube personality who isn’t what they say they are.

www.vice.com

My girl's Bernie Bro cousin (who is black) is starting to snap out of it and sour on socialism because he is starting to feel the same way I feft a decade ago. Like even though these people say they agree with you, you get the sense that your presence is unwelcomed in some spaces. But instead of DSA meetings, it is Discord chats

Holy **** this guy is a piece of ****.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

My thing is, neither Biden, the Senate candidates, and a vast majority of House candidates pushed stuff like "defund the police", like 1% of their caucus even runs as a socialist. The party didn't push that language

Agreed. And I made a similar point when we were discussing Sarah Silverman.

And I did say that it’s harder than he’s acknowledging to translate messaging into narrative. But unlike you, I attribute his failure to admit that more to him being out of touch than being dishonest.

I wasn’t even really disagreeing with you though - other than your assertion that Carville’s objection is to platform as opposed to messaging.

 

[whywesteppin]

Kim K is going to leave Scam Jones when she finds out he isn't black.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

Kim K is going to leave Scam Jones when she finds out he isn't black.

Does that mean he’ll avoid the Kardashian curse?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Bet right now Scam is backstage at CNN Studios with Wolf Blitzer like...

Spoiler: BREAKING NEWS!

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I read Carvilles article, he is obviously correct.

“faculty lounge” politics is the perfect term for it


ive made all thos point a million times.
the democratic party has a serious branding problem and they aren't doing nearly to address it.
but im sure he'll be dismissed him as a cranky old cis white man

and im just a young black cis canadian male. so cest la vie.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

wait wait wait wait


....Van Jones??

 

[rexanglorum]

James Carville loves to say that his opinions on political strategy are unimpeachable because his “moderate” policies and messaging “won.” Putting aside the damage, to ordinary people, caused by Clinton’s center-right neoliberal presidency; and putting aside the fact that Bill Clinton was helped a great deal by the strongest third party candidacy in decades, we have more elections to look at aside from the 1992 and 1996 presidential election.

Democrats have done well in some elections and done terribly in others while using the James Carville method of being very conciliatory towards the military industrial complex, Wallstreet, and most of all, law enforcement.

2020 had been the only election since “defund” has been in the discourse. While no Democrat running for Federal office had made defund a part of their platform, it is true that some Democrats deviated from the unconditionally-kissing-the-asses-of-law-enforcement strategy, prescribed by the likes of James Carville. And what happened in 2020? They won, which according to Carville, ought to be the guide for campaign messaging.

 

[storm2006]

The Criminal Justice Reform Couple

Rusty is just shook because he knows him and Tomi are about to be the interracial political power of the past

 

[RustyShackleford]

How it started..

I read the Carville interview, now I agree with many of his general points but then he can't back up his hyperbole with evidence. And has to recalibrate constantly.

I thought osh kosh bosh turned into a bald cranky white man for a second. Cause these are his bars...

Step 1: Yell the Democratic are ****ing up by listening to a small subset of their coalition
Step 2: Fail to show actual members of the Party are doing it on a large scale
Step 3: Reassert it is a massive problem, repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 4: Acknowledge they have no power over the GOP messaging machine that paints them as out of touch
Step 5: Repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 6: Claim the GOP is better with messaging, but also the Dems are unfairly held to a higher standard that makes things way harder for them
Step 7: Repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 8: Handwave the fact he is asking for an unprecedented level of messaging coordination, given the point he already conceded
Step 9: Repeat the Dems are ****ing up
Step 10: Acts like it is an easy fix, but offers up a solution that really won't solve anything
Step 11: Welp, you know



Osh must be in the crib like...

none of this is accurate.
but please carry on without me.

How it is going...

I read Carvilles article, he is obviously correct.

“faculty lounge” politics is the perfect term for it


ive made all thos point a million times.
the democratic party has a serious branding problem and they aren't doing nearly to address it.
but im sure he'll be dismissed him as a cranky old cis white man

and im just a young black cis canadian male. so cest la vie.

As I was saying

 

[osh kosh bosh]

While no Democrat running for Federal office had made defund a part of their platform

- nobody reads or cares about the party platform.
- You don't need to explicitly support something for it negatively impact your brand.

democrats have to do a better job of creating separation between themselves and a vocal minority of activists that promote unpopular ideas.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

this pretty much goes for all left wing parties tbh.
Seems to me the same stuff is happening in UK and Canada.

as progressive cultural norms have transitioned into fancy manners for elite white people.

left wing parties become more culturally distant from their working class labour oriented roots.


in canada liberals can withstand it because by dumb luck geographic malapportionment is tilted in their favour.
in american it's obviously the opposite.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Here we go