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I mean okay, it's a center left country.

his crack smoking brother, became mayor of toronto and didn't have a significant third party splitting the vote.



my point is conservative populist can build multi racial support.
and they have far less obstacles to success in american than in canada.

Kinda seemed like your point was about left-wing parties move too far left, they lose elections to conservative parties that are more in touch with voters

Seems like it is an important point that a third party on their left flank cost them victory
 
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Kinda seemed like your point was about left-wing parties move too far left, they lose elections to conservative parties that are more in touch with voters

Seems like it is an important and important point that a third party on their left flank cost them victory
i should clarify

the dynamics of ontario politics is when left wing people are dissatisfied with the Liberal party they vote for the far left party.
its not like the NDP had some amazing candidate and they split the vote,

as a result the NDP has a pretty hard ceiling 30%


ultimately in ontario I don't think doug ford or rob could have pulled it off without the center left party ******* up.
 
you don't think so? Paul Ryan-ism seems to be dead I thought?
These fiscal hawks always become popular when a Dem is in power, it is an insincere scam. I don't give them credit for it. Ryan himself help pass a tax cut that made deficits boom. Krugman picked up on his **** from the jump. Ezra Klein even wrote an article admitting Paul was a scammer. Your boy Matty was warning him about the scam too, he didn't want to listen for a good while.

Reagan- Supply-side tax cuts to juice the economy and caused deficits
Bush 2- Two supply-side tax cuts that caused deficits
Trump- Supply-side tax cuts that caused deficits

Bush 1 is the only data point in the other direction.

Trump proposed the same cuts to the social safety net that Republicans been proposing for a while.

So why the **** should I actually give the GOP credit for running the same scam they been running for most of the last 40 years? Trump's lies should not be viewed in the same light as the Dems getting comfortable with the money printer going brrrrrr.

The only place I will give you is that Trump was way more open about wanting low-interest rates to keeping the economy booming. Previous Republicans knew they could get over 3% growth much easier so they let the Fed be more hawkish on interest rates. I don't know if this will stick though.
 
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i should clarify

the dynamics of ontario politics is when left wing people are dissatisfied with the Liberal party they vote for the far left party.
its not like the NDP had some amazing candidate and they split the vote,

as a result the NDP has a pretty hard ceiling 30%


ultimately in ontario I don't think doug ford or rob could have pulled it off without the center left party ****ing up.
Ok fair enough
 
The debt ceiling is coming up, and rumor is that the GOP is gonna demand dollar for dollar spending cuts (not touching the military) in order to agree to raise the debt ceiling
 
I think signaling distance from the excesses of your activist isn't flattering white supremacy.
but let's say I accept that it is.



Barack Obama opposed marriage equality in 2008, because it was politically dicer issue back then magically evolved on the issue later on.

Don't you LGBT americans were better or worse off Obama as president, even though he had to "flatter" white anti lgbt attitudes?



Obama said some very cornball ****, about pulling up your pants, or black people acting white, that morehouse college speech.
all of which could fall under the category of catering to white supremacy


Were black americans materially better off with Barack Obama winning in 08 and 12?


at what point is this just politics?

Fair enough although I’d push back and say:

-Obama is a singular talent when it comes to winning elections. He also signaled pretty hard to the left as well.

-Obama had the wind at his back during the 2008 general election.

-Most importantly, we’ve had 13 more years of sorting. Even in 2008, there was a bigger white, blue collar, unionized component and at that time it made some sense to signal to them that there’s a place for you in this Party and this country. Now, there’s been a lot of sorting that accelerated when America got a Black President. White, blue collar workers aren’t on the fence as much, they either are fine with being part of a multi racial coalition or they went to the GOP and Trump.

-Lastly, no one will confuse Joe Biden as being a “woke” virtual signaling tumblrite. If Joe Biden’s anodyne statements about equal opportunity scare a voter off, I don’t see how you can reach that voter when that voter has a much more appealing GOP alternative.
 
Fair enough although I’d push back and say:

-Obama is a singular talent when it comes to winning elections. He also signaled pretty hard to the left as well.

-Obama had the wind at his back during the 2008 general election.

-Most importantly, we’ve had 13 more years of sorting. Even in 2008, there was a bigger white, blue collar, unionized component and at that time it made some sense to signal to them that there’s a place for you in this Party and this country. Now, there’s been a lot of sorting that accelerated when America got a Black President. White, blue collar workers aren’t on the fence as much, they either are fine with being part of a multi racial coalition or they went to the GOP and Trump.

-Lastly, no one will confuse Joe Biden as being a “woke” virtual signaling tumblrite. If Joe Biden’s anodyne statements about equal opportunity scare a voter off, I don’t see how you can reach that voter when that voter has a much more appealing GOP alternative.

I think Joe did a solid job of doing this,
his old white guy brand ID did most of the work.
 
I think there would be more democrats trying to thread this needle

but "the read the room" culture and progressive speech norm of elite progressive spaces
I think prevents people from even trying
 
The brother gonna get clowned in more in St. Lucia if this happens

A lot of folks told those people shading him to chill, but if this happens, they are gonna write songs clowning him.
 
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I think there would be more democrats trying to thread this needle

but "the read the room" culture and progressive speech norm of elite progressive spaces
I think prevents people from even trying
Please name these Democratic candidates that got nominated for President, Senate, or Purple districts that have been held back by this

Because I just find it weird that your argument is basically if these were not a major issue, a type of unique Democrat that has never been around en mass, would gain traction
 
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The Criminal Justice Reform Couple :pimp:
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Rusty is just shook because he knows him and Tomi are about to be the interracial political power of the past
:rofl:This was literally predicted night number 1 of Kanye/Kim divorce talks.
 
Please name these Democratic candidates that got nominated for President, Senate, or Purple districts that have been held back by this

Because I just find it weird that your argument is basically if these were not a major issue, a type of unique Democrat that has never been around en mass, would gain traction

Andrew Yang is kinda doing this, he's totally ignoring and sometimes pissing off progressive activists with vague normie politics that align with the median older more conservative voter.

And I the level of vitriol he seems generate from left wing people and I have to think that has a chilling effect.on other people.
 
Andrew Yang is kinda doing this, he's totally ignoring and sometimes pissing off progressive activists with vague normie politics that align with the median older more conservative voter.

And I the level of vitriol he seems generate from left wing people and I have to think that has a chilling effect.on other people.
So your example of a template the Democratic Party should follow nationally, and in swing states, is a dude running in a Democratic primary, for a mayoral position, in a city with like a plus 35 partisan lean for the Dems, who will at best only win a plurality of the vote, within a large field so the party establishment can't coordinate for one candidate, and who has a leg up because he has a massive leg up with name recognition.

Seriously question, are you ******* with me right now? :lol:

Even if I take Yang as a serious answer (which sorry, I have a hard time doing), you kind of not answering my question. If progressive speech codes are not stopping Yang from winning, then how is it a hindrance for candidates?

I am asking who is suffering from them. Yang is clearly not suffering.
 
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