***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Brownstone]

Aren't FOX news employees required as well? lol

 

[rexanglorum]

When James Carville has his bi-monthly rant about how “18 percent of the population pick 40 percent of the Senate, so we gotta live with it and cut out all this ‘woke’ nonsense,” my thinking is that that stat should be a call to arms. If not a literally call for armed Revolution, then, at the very least, the 18-40 split is certainly a call for some combination of voter mobilization with extra-electoral direct action to at least balance populations and electoral outcomes.

At some point, pointing out the rules of a rigged game is a form of support for said rigged game.

 

[dinyc3st]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Like her or hate her.

Hillary tried to warn people

 

[IATT]

 

[RustyShackleford]

The energy Delk and the conservative judge loving crew give out every day...

 

[Brownstone]

My Republican friends have categorized Roe being reversed as fear mongering since I've been following politics (Bush) I remember having a conversation about this a couple years ago and being told how all of this overturn stuff will go away as soon as Trump was out of office, as if it's some talking point used to spur voter turnout by dems. Hope I don't have to go back and say I told you so, what reality are these people living in?

 

[IATT]

 

[rexanglorum]

Like her or hate her.

Hillary tried to warn people

Unless a President Hillary Clinton got voting rights done, we’d still end up with a right wing court. Eventually, the GOP would get a trifecta and they’d see a 5-4 liberal Court and Mitch McConnell would abolish the filibuster and expand the court to 21 and let a Republican President pick 14 new Judges.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Saw Biden's speech today..

He's not looking so good man. Seems like his health isn't well right now sadly.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Unless a President Hillary Clinton got voting rights done, we’d still end up with a right wing court. Eventually, the GOP would get a trifecta and they’d see a 5-4 liberal Court and Mitch McConnell would abolish the filibuster and expand the court to 21 and let a Republican President pick 14 new Judges.

Then the Dems can expand it with another 21, and the court loses legitimacy

Plus the filibuster is gone

So yeah, Hillary winning in 2016 would have been a much better outcome no matter what in regards to the court

 

[rexanglorum]

Then the Dems can expand it with another 21 and the court loses legitimacy

Plus the we get rid of the filibuster

So yeah, Hillary winning in 2016 would have been better for the country

After McConnell blocked Obama from filling that seat in 2016, the court packing was already underway. McConnell rushing to fill the open seat in 2020 was the bookend to this court packing.

Whether it’s 9 or 21, the court is obviously rigged and yet this current Democratic trifecta has no chance of undoing any of this. I doubt that McConnell adding judges would have motived enough centrists Democratic Senators to add yet more judges at a later date.

Look, it would have been better if Clinton beat Trump in 2016. My issue is with this discourse that the 2016 election is some profound hinge point in history. Before 2016, it was the case that the GOP was a minoritarian, norm breaking party and the Democratic Party is handicapped by too many members, who prize unilateral norm keeping, over social justice or even just stopping fascism.

Who knows, maybe a Hillary Clinton Presidency would change this decades’ long trajectory. But unless she could, her winning in 2016 changes very little in the long run.

 

[RustyShackleford]

After McConnell blocked Obama from filling that seat in 2016, the court packing was already underway. McConnell rushing to fill the open seat in 2020 was the bookend to this court packing.

Whether it’s 9 or 21, the court is obviously rigged and yet this current Democratic trifecta has no chance of undoing any of this. I doubt that McConnell adding judges would have motived enough centrists Democratic Senators to add yet more judges at a later date.

Look, it would have been better if Clinton beat Trump in 2016. My issue is with this discourse that the 2016 election is some profound hinge point in history. Before 2016, it was the case that the GOP was a minoritarian, norm breaking party and the Democratic Party is handicapped by too many members, who prize unilateral norm keeping, over social justice or even just stopping fascism.

Who knows, maybe a Hillary Clinton Presidency would change this decades’ long trajectory. But unless she could, her winning in 2016 changes very little in the long run.

Every election has consequences, and whenever the Dems lose one it has major consequences. Including 2016 same as 2014 and 2010 before them.

It is fair to admit that Clinton was dead right on some things that leftists were not

These "it doesn't really matter" take just seem dumb to me. It all matters, every time.

 

[rexanglorum]

Every election has consequences, and whenever the Dems lose one it has major consequences. Including 2016 same as 2014 and 2010 before them.

It is fair to admit that Clinton was dead right on some things that leftists were not

These "it doesn't really matter" take just seem dumb to me. It all matters, every time.

Elections have consequences in a very asymmetrical way. Dems get a trifecta and things get a little bit better, the GOP get a trifecta and it gets much worse. That dynamic has been in place before 2016 and it’s still in place right now and it’s hard to see a Hillary Clinton Presidency changing those dynamics.

Sure, if Democrats won every single election since 1982, things would be better but that’s not the case. It seems like the Democrats, who hold a trifecta right now, should do something with that power right now.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ok man whatever

I'm not gonna go in circles about this

 

[gry60]

I thought it was clear, but I’ll try to make it more clear.

People want reasonable gun control measures because of the senseless loss of life due to gun deaths.

The gun control debate is difficult because there is not a similar demand for the same level of control related to other senseless losses of life.

There isn’t a call to ban festivals, despite Astroworld. There isn’t a call to ban cars, despite the situation in Wisconsin.

I said that’s why the gun discussion is difficult. And it should be expanded to a discussion moreso about mental health, poverty, and education.

I realize everyone isn’t calling for bans of guns. I personally support reasonable gun control measures like background checks. But none of that will prevent a lot of these mass shootings.

None of this is relevant.

You are comparing something whose primary function is to cause harm, to other things whose primary function is not to cause harm.

All the things in your list have regulations around them to minimize harm. Applying similar regulations to guns to achieve a reduction of harm would be the equivalent of making guns useless.

 

[dwalk31]

None of this is relevant.

You are comparing something whose primary function is to cause harm, to other things whose primary function is not to cause harm.

All the things in your list have regulations around them to minimize harm. Applying similar regulations to guns to achieve a reduction of harm would be the equivalent of making guns useless.

No matter what the primary function is, the impact is that cars cause more harm (deaths) than gun violence.

Like I said earlier, the only harm many licensed gun owners cause is to paper targets. And the vast majority of gun deaths are suicides.

There are already regulations around buying guns. There are more regulations around buying guns than there are around buying cars. And cars are more deadly in the US.

I support enhanced background checks for gun buying. And I think we should have more regulation for buying cars.

None of that would likely prevent the devastating shootings that spark these conversations. Or the devastating results of the car plowing into the crowd at the Wisconsin Holiday parade.

We need more of a focus on mental health, poverty, and education.

 

[dwalk31]

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

Not sure if posted but WHAT THE ****

 

[gry60]

My Republican friends have categorized Roe being reversed as fear mongering since I've been following politics (Bush) I remember having a conversation about this a couple years ago and being told how all of this overturn stuff will go away as soon as Trump was out of office, as if it's some talking point used to spur voter turnout by dems. Hope I don't have to go back and say I told you so, what reality are these people living in?

They've been gaslighting you or they don't know what it is they support.

The most important belief of conservative ideology, regardless of the political context, is that there must be a hierarchy with someone at the top lording over the masses. It's an authoritarian ideology, and anyone who subscribes to it without understanding that is bound to be disappointed sooner or later.

 

[IATT]

Not sure if posted but WHAT THE ****

was just coming in to post…

sounds about white

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[sonoftony]

Not sure if posted but WHAT THE ****

hmmm, sounds like he wants his own militia. great

 

[dwalk31]

My Republican friends have categorized Roe being reversed as fear mongering since I've been following politics (Bush) I remember having a conversation about this a couple years ago and being told how all of this overturn stuff will go away as soon as Trump was out of office, as if it's some talking point used to spur voter turnout by dems. Hope I don't have to go back and say I told you so, what reality are these people living in?

Roe is not going to be reversed. A lot of people don’t understand the Roe decision. It did not create an absolute right to abortion. Instead, it outlined when states could regulate or prohibit abortion. Based on Roe, states can regulate or prohibit abortion after viability.

This decision will likely just clarify what viability means. My guess is they come down around 20-24 weeks.

The idea that the Supreme Court is going to overturn Roe and women are going to be forced to give birth—no matter what—is what the kids call cap. It’s not happening.

When it doesn’t happen, folks in here will come up with some spin.