***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Kimchi Papi]

assange had his internet cutt off but as expected, has a back up... Is it true pamela anderson brought him a vegan meal?

Is he still holed up at the Ecuadoran embassy?

 

[the qbz]

I agree that they should apologize for that. We all know regan and nixon created this problem but still at this point an apology doesnt mean much. There just words. If dem and repubs wanna show their remorse they should work together to decriminalize alot of crimes as well get rid of mandattory minimums and allow judges to do their jobs.

I agree man do SOMETHING to change the past or.fix the problems

 

[RustyShackleford]

assange had his internet cutt off but as expected, has a back up... Is it true pamela anderson brought him a vegan meal?

Is he still holed up at the Ecuadoran embassy?

Yeah

I love how dude has people thinking his situation is because America forced him into exile. When the truth is that he went into that embassy to avoid a rape charges in Sweden.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Well it looks like Obama will say in the public eye after his presidency. Him and Eric Holder are going to take on gerrymandering.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-holder-redistricting-gerrymandering-229868

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Have I not done enough digging or is there really nothing that "damning" with the Wikileaks?

Let me help you out:

I just don't understand why Assange is making it obvious he's out to get Hillary.

I'm sure he has access to dirt on both sides, so make your reporting seem unbiased so rational people can take this serious.

http://observer.com/2016/06/why-julian-assange-doesnt-want-hillary-clinton-to-be-president/

 

[whywesteppin]

Have I not done enough digging or is there really nothing that "damning" with the Wikileaks?

Let me help you out:

An example is this desperate attempt to argue that John Oliver was colluding with Clinton:

http://www.snopes.com/leaked-e-mail-clinton-foundation-john-oliver/

******* idiots

 

[Kimchi Papi]

While on the subject of Persian gulf countries & their donations, The Emir of Dubai has flown £300k ($365,860) of emergency supplies to Haiti on his private jet. According to the Dubai government, the Sheikh's wife, Princess Haya Bint Al Hussein, personally oversaw the relief mission which included tents, mosquito nets, medical supplies and water purification units.

 

[sundoobie]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

 

[ninjahood]

Have I not done enough digging or is there really nothing that "damning" with the Wikileaks?

there's nothing that damning. just usual politics that everyone knows about except for the people on the far right and far left who are in denial (or delusional or naive) about how DC operates. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to clean it up but we should stop acting like it's all a single party or a single individual who plays. and we should also stop acting like it's only politicians who play.

Spoiler

real estate "moguls" are often the biggest exploiters

ummm...hot off da press less than a hour ago..

FBI documents released on Monday in relation to the Hillary Clinton email probe suggest a former undersecretary of state requested the FBI change a classified email to unclassified for a "quid pro quo" exchange with the State Department.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fbi-quid-pro-quo-over-clinton-emails-2016-10

That's the kind of master negotiator we need in the While House. Someone who knows how to get things done, making deals left and right.

bribing to hide information? no thanks.

 

[moonman818]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

Maybe I should have worded my post differently...

But if his purpose for leaking information is to seek truth and allow the public to make an informed decision, why is he currently releasing so much information on Hillary and none of the other candidate?

With all the allegations, lawsuits, and shady business practices Donald has done for decades, I'm sure there's quite a bit of information that has at the very least been made available to his organization.

Also if I'm not mistaken, hasn't Donald expressed far more interest in continuing fighting in the Middle East?

 

[RIP sleazyy]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

I'm assuming you've seen the info that came out early this year about the rape allegations? The girls weren't even at the police station to press charges, they wanted to force an HIV test. He wasn't wearing the condom properly with one of the girls and it fell into "rape" under Swedish law.

Both of the women said there was no force and no issue, the problem was they wanted HIV testing and he didn't want to be forced into the testing. This is all documented information.


Moonman I could completely wrong but I feel he's releasing the info on Hillary and none on Donald for two reasons -

His personal vendetta against the US government and Hillary, and to counter the very obviously skewed coverage of the two candidates in mainstream news media.

 

[deleted]

bribing to hide information? no thanks.

I wonder how Trump and Pam Bondi feel about that

 

[noskey]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

Why do you think I posted previously in this thread to load up on A&D stocks? We know what we're getting with Clinton, which has its drawbacks like the possibility of increasing our presence in the middle east. But people want to complain about things in America, she's clearly the better choice for the middle and lower class.

Assange, he loses credibility when he becomes partisan and dedicates what used to be an unfiltered info release website and turns it into a conservative conspiracy theory mouthpiece. Like I said, I used to like him and supported him 10 years ago when he rose to prominence. He fell off though.

 

[sundoobie]

And also the White House couldn't confirm or deny they had involvement with the cutting of the internet. When a govt tries to silence individuals by these methods... it just awakens the outrage.

"There are a lot of rumors swirling" that the U.S. is behind the disruption, Earnest acknowledged.

"I'm not in a position to confirm whether that's true or not, just because I'm not in a position to confirm or deny any sort of classified operations on the part of the United States," Earnest said.

 

[sundoobie]

Why do you think I posted previously in this thread to load up on A&D stocks? We know what we're getting with Clinton, which has its drawbacks like the possibility of increasing our presence in the middle east. But people want to complain about things in America, she's clearly the better choice for the middle and lower class.

Assange, he loses credibility when he becomes partisan and dedicates what used to be an unfiltered info release website and turns it into a conservative conspiracy theory mouthpiece. Like I said, I used to like him and supported him 10 years ago when he rose to prominence. He fell off though.

Don't really care about any of that partisan soap opera you mentioned. I am always intrigued at factual documents that are leaked and confirmed or processed thru the Freedom of Information Act. It provides a fresh perspective on the issue surrounding it. You just have to overlook the underlying media drama surrounding it.

 

[gry60]

Interesting piece on derek black, whose father is don black creator of storm front... His mother was once married to david duke... Talk about pedigree...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...1e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?tid=pm_pop_b

One interesting thing in this article is that his studies on Medieval Europe contradicted the belief system he grew up defending, even though his parents probably taught him otherwise.

He was taking classes in Jewish scripture and German multiculturalism during his last year at New College, but most of his research was focused on medieval Europe. He learned that Western Europe had begun not as a great society of genetically superior people but as a technologically backward place that lagged behind Islamic culture. He studied the 8th century to the 12th century, trying to trace back the modern concepts of race and whiteness, but he couldn’t find them anywhere. “We basically just invented it,” he concluded.

 

[RustyShackleford]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

-The DOJ has already admitted that they don't have a way to prosecute Assange because leaking classified document is something regular journalist do.

Dude just might be trying to run out the clock on the Swedish statute of limitations.

 

[RustyShackleford]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

I'm assuming you've seen the info that came out early this year about the rape allegations? The girls weren't even at the police station to press charges, they wanted to force an HIV test. He wasn't wearing the condom properly with one of the girls and it fell into "rape" under Swedish law.

Both of the women said there was no force and no issue, the problem was they wanted HIV testing and he didn't want to be forced into the testing. This is all documented information.


Moonman I could completely wrong but I feel he's releasing the info on Hillary and none on Donald for two reasons -

His personal vendetta against the US government and Hillary, and to counter the very obviously skewed coverage of the two candidates in mainstream news media.

Explain this. I would love to know why and how Trump is not getting a fair shake from the media.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Why do you think I posted previously in this thread to load up on A&D stocks? We know what we're getting with Clinton, which has its drawbacks like the possibility of increasing our presence in the middle east. But people want to complain about things in America, she's clearly the better choice for the middle and lower class.

Assange, he loses credibility when he becomes partisan and dedicates what used to be an unfiltered info release website and turns it into a conservative conspiracy theory mouthpiece. Like I said, I used to like him and supported him 10 years ago when he rose to prominence. He fell off though.

Don't really care about any of that partisan soap opera you mentioned. I am always intrigued at factual documents that are leaked and confirmed or processed thru the Freedom of Information Act. It provides a fresh perspective on the issue surrounding it. You just have to overlook the underlying media drama surrounding it.

You don't care that Assange is helping Russia influence our elections. Oh ok

 

[RIP sleazyy]

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

-The DOJ has already admitted that they don't have a way to prosecute Assange because leaking classified document is something regular journalist do.

Dude just might be trying to run out the clock on the Swedish statute of limitations.

Yup he has until 2020. I think his fear is charges of espionage, not leaking docs.

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

I'm assuming you've seen the info that came out early this year about the rape allegations? The girls weren't even at the police station to press charges, they wanted to force an HIV test. He wasn't wearing the condom properly with one of the girls and it fell into "rape" under Swedish law.

Both of the women said there was no force and no issue, the problem was they wanted HIV testing and he didn't want to be forced into the testing. This is all documented information.


Moonman I could completely wrong but I feel he's releasing the info on Hillary and none on Donald for two reasons -

His personal vendetta against the US government and Hillary, and to counter the very obviously skewed coverage of the two candidates in mainstream news media.

Explain this. I would love to know why and how Trump is not getting a fair shake from the media.

The vast coverage of Trump being a sexist moron racist perv and little to no coverage of the information in the leaks as well as downplaying the fact that she committed crimes and the fact that people in the FBI were confused and some angered by Comey not bringing charges against her.

FBI agents likening Comey to a dirty cop working outside of the law to appease higher ups.

There were very important things in those leaks that are getting no coverage.

You're a smart guy Rusty. You initially supported Bernie correct? Could you not see the difference in media coverage between him and Clinton? The DNC and media were working together against Bernie. This is a similar situation.

I don't mind them smearing Donald at all but they should dig into Hillary too is all I'm saying. And not just "omg emails". They should get into what is in those emails. Make it at least kinda balanced.

 

[sundoobie]

So instead of focusing on the details of the leaked information... you rather ignore it and go with Hillary's campaign platform and blame it on the Russians? Oh OK!

What do you call that?

 

[RustyShackleford]

So instead of focusing on the details of the leaked information... you rather ignore it and go with Hillary's campaign platform and blame it on the Russians? Oh OK!

What do you call that?

I still you've skipped trying to make a cogent argument and went straight for corny as memes.

Ok papi, ok

And funny you post those pics, given you want to ignore Assange's motives for doing this. Perfect

 

[sundoobie]

You're the one ignoring all the information provided by these leaked emails... not I

So the only objective conclusion to everything in regards to the leaked emails were... the Russians are influencing US elections?

So you don't care about all the details surrounding...

“severely backwards”

“self-righteous” whiners

“needy Latinos”

“FOB” (Friends of Bill)

“WJC VIPs” (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs),

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that’s as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

"So, you need both a public and a private position.”

“Obviously, I’m kind of far removed because the life I’ve lived and the economic, you know, fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy,

“an expectation of a quid pro quo benefits in return for gifts.”

“[Qatar] Would like to see WJC ‘for five minutes’ in NYC, to present $1 million check that Qatar promised for WJC’s birthday in 2011,

And as a Bernie supporter you're NOT at all upset about this Podesta email?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/leaked-podesta-emails-show-bernie-was-right.html

Ah nah nothing to be upset about... let's just keep talking crap about the idiot Trump and all the stupid things he says on the daily.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

-The DOJ has already admitted that they don't have a way to prosecute Assange because leaking classified document is something regular journalist do.

Dude just might be trying to run out the clock on the Swedish statute of limitations.

Yup he has until 2020. I think his fear is charges of espionage, not leaking docs.

He's probably out to get Hillary because she suggested killing him with a drone strike. And when she was asked about it she said she "didn't recall" but if she said that it would have been a "joke".

And also if he's ever extradited here he's probably going to be killed so he's def not trying to leave the embassy.

I believe the sex assault charges against him may be false and a means to get him extradited to the US. Also I think he's a douchebag with an inflated sense of self importance.

The rape charges are bogus. Assange is against the US due to our aggression in the Iraq War. I am completely fine with Assange... remember the videos that he leaked in regards to all the war crimes the US committed? Torture, and civilian deaths all attributable to the US occupation of Iraq. If it wern't for Bradley Manning and Assange we would never have seen that Collateral Murder video showing a US Military copter firing on a bunch of civilians and reporters.

Now Assange is trying to warn us of Clinton and due to her various ties to Neo Conservative hawks whom will push the US aggression policy in the next 4 years. Seems like people only think of Clinton as a Liberal Democrat and refuse to acknowledge all her Defense Sector ties just like Bush/Cheny with Haliburton. Google Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and the name Hillary Clinton.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?Ind=D

I'm assuming you've seen the info that came out early this year about the rape allegations? The girls weren't even at the police station to press charges, they wanted to force an HIV test. He wasn't wearing the condom properly with one of the girls and it fell into "rape" under Swedish law.

Both of the women said there was no force and no issue, the problem was they wanted HIV testing and he didn't want to be forced into the testing. This is all documented information.


Moonman I could completely wrong but I feel he's releasing the info on Hillary and none on Donald for two reasons -

His personal vendetta against the US government and Hillary, and to counter the very obviously skewed coverage of the two candidates in mainstream news media.

Explain this. I would love to know why and how Trump is not getting a fair shake from the media.

The vast coverage of Trump being a sexist moron racist perv and little to no coverage of the information in the leaks as well as downplaying the fact that she committed crimes and the fact that people in the FBI were confused and some angered by Comey not bringing charges against her.

FBI agents likening Comey to a dirty cop working outside of the law to appease higher ups.

There were very important things in those leaks that are getting no coverage.

You're a smart guy Rusty. You initially supported Bernie correct? Could you not see the difference in media coverage between him and Clinton? The DNC and media were working together against Bernie. This is a similar situation.

I don't mind them smearing Donald at all but they should dig into Hillary too is all I'm saying. And not just "omg emails". They should get into what is in those emails. Make it at least kinda balanced

.

-Comey is a Republican heading a independent government organization. What higher ups does he answer to? Definitely not Obama, and Obama even said that he would charge Clinton if the FBI recommended it. And I'm going to stop this strawman right now. I have freely and opnely admitted her behavior was stupid, arrogant and irresponsible. That doesn't make it criminal, that doesn't mean a prosecutor will be able to get a conviction. So no matter how many "FBI agents" you cite, it doesn't change that.

-Did you pay attention during the primaries? It was Trump getting most of the positive coverage. Not Hillary, not Bernie, but Trump. The media helped his rise and legitimized him because they couldn't stop talking about him.

When the FBI was getting close to their decision, the media was ll over it. When she had a bad week, the media was all over it. When she lost states to Bernie, the media was all over it. The media has always been fixated on Trump, the thing is that they have flipped from positive coverage to harshly negative. Partly because they are digging deeper into his past and finding more stuff. Hillary has been in the media's spotlight for over two decades, all the "dirt" they have seemingly found on her has come our over a longer period of time. We are just getting the Trump coverage in one large shot

-And regarding the Democratic side. Let us first remember Hillary was a overwhelming favorite in the race (more than 200 over Bernie. Bernie was always going to be disadvantage because he was unknown. That is not some big media conspiracy. It seems like your argument, and Bernie's at the time, was that the media was helping his campaign. Not that they were actively against it, they weren't spreading his message. But on the flip side, isn't that Bernie's job? He cried about the media costing him, and at the same time barely campaign in some states.

I find it funny that people will post post Wikileaks info like that proves media collusion, but never stop to look at the content those journalist posted about the candidates. For example Maddow and Haynes where big Sanders supporters that were talking shots at Clinton daily. The Nation, Atlantic, Free Republic, Mother Jones, MSNBC, and all "liberal" news outlets had people pushing for Bernie over Hillary.

And when the media did turn to Bernie and was like "Ummmm, your economic plans are gonna cost a lot and the GOP won't work with you" he took it as an attack, when it was a important policy discussion. At some point everyone on the left has to come to terms that Hillary washed Bernie fairly. The DNC did show a ridiculously unprofessional level of favoritism but he would have still caught the "L". She took he race more seriously than him, she out maneuvering him in campaigning, she could explain her policies better, she could perform just as well with him in a debate, and she won over minorities. And let that be a lesson to the next progressive that runs, not as some baseless charge against Hillary.

-I gave Bernie nearly 2 grand, and sat through a damb caucus in Nevada. You have any idea how ******* nuts people in Nevada are famb? I did that for Bernie, and if he runs again I will do it again. But I have my issues with how the man campaign and pushed his message. Those things are more important to discuss than this idea that some "conspiracy" costed him the nomination. Especially when has been proven the Clinton machine can be beaten.